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Same philosophy same results

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[quote=MTK;1163688][url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/29876/redskins-make-logical-hire-greg-manusky-must-prove-its-the-right-one]Greg Manusky must prove Washington Redskins made right hire to run D - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Agree with Keim here that this move must work or it's likely going to cost Gruden big. Of course McCloughan is a big piece here too, we need some serious upgrades on the defensive side from free agency and the draft this offseason.[/quote]

I might be wrong, but I like Gruden as our coach. I want to extend him and SM, but I agree, he better be right here. Hiring the right assistants is a huge part of the job.

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Not extending Gruden might have cost us one of the big names. If this was the plan all along then what wait 2 weeks? Nobody wants a one year gig. Gruden might be out the door after next season if we stink.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1163704]Not extending Gruden might have cost us one of the big names. If this was the plan all along then what wait 2 weeks? Nobody wants a one year gig. Gruden might be out the door after next season if we stink.[/quote]

I think Gruden has to win at least 8 games or he's gone. He will likely have another QB to try and do that with too. it's going to be hard, but he can do it if we have even an above average defense next year to take pressure off the QB.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1163706]I think Gruden has to win at least 8 games or he's gone. He will likely have another QB to try and do that with too. it's going to be hard, but he can do it if we have even an above average defense next year to take pressure off the QB.[/quote]

You are the ultimate troll.

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[quote=mooby;1163708]You are the ultimate troll.[/quote]

All due respect, but piss off. How am I a troll by pointing out the obvious? We have never had a HC longer than 4 seasons since Snyder has owned the team. Next year is year 4. Are you aware of that? I'm just saying Gruden is going to have to have another winning season IMO to have a chance at either returning for year 5, or getting his extension. But you might be a smart person, would you extend your HC next season if he goes 6-10 or worse?

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If we don't win at least 9 next year I'd be shocked. I think we're actually going to be a threat next year. SM has set us up perfectly for this off season. We have money and extra picks. 2017 is gonna be a good year for us. HTTR.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1163713]If we don't win at least 9 next year I'd be shocked. I think we're actually going to be a threat next year. SM has set us up perfectly for this off season. We have money and extra picks. 2017 is gonna be a good year for us. HTTR.[/quote]

Yeah I would agree I am also optimistic. However, given the cap space and given how good the offense has been, I'd say the team MUST take a step forward or I would support ownership in making changes.

The team has done a great job building a base of talent without committing a ton of funds. And Gruden has orchestrated a very, very good offense. But now that we're in this tremendous position, it's time to move forward full steam ahead. I need to see 10-6 or else.

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[quote=Schneed10;1163718]Yeah I would agree I am also optimistic. However, given the cap space and given how good the offense has been, I'd say the team MUST take a step forward or I would support ownership in making changes.

The team has done a great job building a base of talent without committing a ton of funds. And Gruden has orchestrated a very, very good offense. But now that we're in this tremendous position, it's time to move forward full steam ahead. I need to see 10-6 or else.[/quote]

If we win any less than 9 Snyder can do whatever he wants. I've always been on his side. He's made tons of choices I didn't agree with, but I believe he loves this team. I'd take him every day of the week and twice on Sunday's over most owners.

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Schneed, I think you'd agree. Given our talent level overall, finishing above .500 2 years is a row is pretty good. Especially in overall context, instead of thinking of individual games that we didn't win that we could of. We had a lot of holes and still won more than we lost while also setting us up to make big strides this off seaaon. I just want some continuity at HC. Unless we just completely shit the bed, and the defense still sucks under Manusky, I don't want a new HC again. I think Jay and Scott can do good things together.

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Manasky will be just as good as the talent he's coaching....the one advantage he has over Joe Barry is Manasky will be working with better talent than Barry did...... I'm hoping we sign some great defensive players in free agency and draft some talented players for the defense....

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"I hope Manusky proves me wrong"

Isn't that the crap we were saying about Barry when he was hired? And even about Haslett? We know these guys suck, there will be no surprises. Hate this hire,seriously.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1163722]Manasky will be just as good as the talent he's coaching....the one advantage he has over Joe Barry is Manasky will be working with better talent than Barry did...... I'm hoping we sign some great defensive players in free agency and draft some talented players for the defense....[/quote]

There are better coaches than other nfl coaches, just like there are better cornerbacks. So this isn't black and white, it obviously takes talent but there are coaches than can do more with the exact same playerst as other coaches. If this wasn't true it would mean anyone in the world could coach a team as good as Gibbs.

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#Redskins have hired Jim Tomsula as Dline coach. He worked with Manusky and McCloughan in San Fran as their Dline coach from '07-14

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[quote=J. Falcon;1163725]"I hope Manusky proves me wrong"

Isn't that the crap we were saying about Barry when he was hired? And even about Haslett? We know these guys suck, there will be no surprises. Hate this hire,seriously.[/quote]

We didn't hire him, so what else can we say? We can only hope for the best.

I want to know why Pettine wasn't our choice. That's what I'm most curious to know about.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1163729]We didn't hire him, so what else can we say? We can only hope for the best.

I want to know why Pettine wasn't our choice. That's what I'm most curious to know about.[/quote]

Maybe cause Scott has worked with these guys in the past (Manusky and Tomsula) and knows that they can coach.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1163727]#Redskins have hired Jim Tomsula as Dline coach. He worked with Manusky and McCloughan in San Fran as their Dline coach from '07-14[/quote]

I like this a lot. He got thrown under the bus by the Niners. HTTR.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1163727]#Redskins have hired Jim Tomsula as Dline coach. He worked with Manusky and McCloughan in San Fran as their Dline coach from '07-14[/quote]

This is a positive...they have worked as a team before, good hire. SFREDSKIN this is right in you wheel house. That SF defense was kinda nasty under harbaugh.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1163721]Schneed, I think you'd agree. Given our talent level overall, finishing above .500 2 years is a row is pretty good. Especially in overall context, instead of thinking of individual games that we didn't win that we could of. We had a lot of holes and still won more than we lost while also setting us up to make big strides this off seaaon. I just want some continuity at HC. Unless we just completely shit the bed, and the defense still sucks under Manusky, I don't want a new HC again. I think Jay and Scott can do good things together.[/quote]

It's good enough to not get fired. But like I said, given the resources at our disposal this year, they should be able to take a step forward, otherwise we'd have to conclude that Gruden is only capable of getting us on the doorstep of the playoffs, sometimes in, but no further.

He can't bump his head on the ceiling, he needs to break through.

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[quote=Chico23231;1163734]This is a positive...they have worked as a team before, good hire. SFREDSKIN this is right in you wheel house. That SF defense was kinda nasty under harbaugh.[/quote]

I'm telling you right now, a good draft DL, S, ILB, pass rusher and we will be kicking ass defensively next year. All this talk about Manusky being a retread will be a moot point. I've seen it, unfortunately Alex Smith was the QB back then.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1163732]Maybe cause Scott has worked with these guys in the past (Manusky and Tomsula) and knows that they can coach.[/quote]

That could be true, but it seems like we won't ever branch branch out. I want a meritocracy. Nepotism is no good.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1163736]I'm telling you right now, a good draft DL, S, ILB, pass rusher and we will be kicking ass defensively next year. All this talk about Manusky being a retread will be a moot point. I've seen it, unfortunately Alex Smith was the QB back then.[/quote]

This is the year it can happen.. Got a good GM, lots of draft picks, lots of cap space. It's a great set up for a big turnaround. The Giants defense completely changed in one year on a few key acquisitions, we can do this as well. I'm willing to give Manusky a year or two -- but then again, what choice do any of us have anyway....

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[quote=Schneed10;1163735]It's good enough to not get fired. But like I said, given the resources at our disposal this year, they should be able to take a step forward, otherwise we'd have to conclude that Gruden is only capable of getting us on the doorstep of the playoffs, sometimes in, but no further.

He can't bump his head on the ceiling, he needs to break through.[/quote]

I hope he smashes thru like the Kool-Aid man. I honestly think we win 10+. 9 would be shocking, and not in the good way.

Barring injuries obviously, i think we're a lock for the playoffs.

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[QUOTE=J. Falcon;1163725]"I hope Manusky proves me wrong"

Isn't that the crap we were saying about Barry when he was hired? And even about Haslett? We know these guys suck, there will be no surprises. Hate this hire,seriously.[/QUOTE]
We just hired Tomsula as the dline coach, am I stupid or was he not a plug and play at DC?

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[quote=Glasgow Celtic;1163750]We just hired Tomsula as the dline coach, am I stupid or was he not a plug and play at DC?[/quote]

I don't think we interviewed him for DC, but I'm glad we got him for DL coach. Great choice. Don't take anything the 9ers joke of an organization does seriously. Now let's get him and Manusky some talent.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1163710]All due respect, but piss off. How am I a troll by pointing out the obvious? We have never had a HC longer than 4 seasons since Snyder has owned the team. Next year is year 4. Are you aware of that? I'm just saying Gruden is going to have to have another winning season IMO to have a chance at either returning for year 5, or getting his extension. But you might be a smart person, would you extend your HC next season if he goes 6-10 or worse?[/quote]

When you say shit like "we will likely have another qb" despite there being 0 credibility towards that "fact" besides your own delusions, I make my own conclusions. The worst part of your statement is the fact I agree, if Manusky somehow keeps our defense average or god forbid even worse next season despite the incoming talent infusion (literally Scott knows he has 1 fucking job this offseason, it's priorities 1, 2, and 3) then there's a good chance our entire staff gets canned instead of just his weak ass d-coordinator.

Besides, extensions don't mean shit. They are just meant to reassure the person who receives them. Forgotten McNabb? He was benched like two weeks after getting his extension in 2010. Go ask Ryan Grigson if that extension that he got last year is working out for him now.

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[url=http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/10/23/colts-defensive-coordinator-greg-manusky/17792389/]Greg Manusky: The man behind the Colts defense[/url]

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I hate this fucking move. I hope I am proved wrong.

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[quote=ethat001;1163740]This is the year it can happen.. Got a good GM, lots of draft picks, lots of cap space. It's a great set up for a big turnaround. The Giants defense completely changed in one year on a few key acquisitions, we can do this as well. I'm willing to give Manusky a year or two -- but then again, what choice do any of us have anyway....[/quote]

I concur! If the Redskins can get stronger up front on defense and can get a playmaking free safety such as Eric Berry in free agency or draft a free safety such as Malik Hooker or Jabril Peppers , then the defense will improve greatly.....this has been a good offseason already.

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Still not a fan of Manusky, and still say this is a underwhelming hire, BUT if he puts good position coaches around him like Tomsula.....then maybe we can have something....

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1163775][url=http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/10/23/colts-defensive-coordinator-greg-manusky/17792389/]Greg Manusky: The man behind the Colts defense[/url][/quote]

You can put puff pieces up all you want. After 3 years of bad DC's, and terrible defenses, Gruden (and SM) should have gone above and beyond to pull in a top tier DC. Whether Manusky makes it or not isn't the question. The question is not will he succeed, the question is based on all empirical evidence was he the best candidate for the job. And the answer to that is a resounding no.

His group didn't excel beyond their abilities (in fact they barely played up to theirs). And his past stints as DC didn't produce elite or even top 10 outputs. Others that were looked at could answer yes to both those questions.

As a Skins fan, yes I hope he succeeds, and yes I hope we infuse top talent, which makes the DC's job easier. But no, as an NFL observer, he was not the right man for the job, not even close.

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[quote=mooby;1163771]When you say shit like "we will likely have another qb" despite there being 0 credibility towards that "fact" besides your own delusions, I make my own conclusions. The worst part of your statement is the fact I agree, if Manusky somehow keeps our defense average or god forbid even worse next season despite the incoming talent infusion (literally Scott knows he has 1 fucking job this offseason, it's priorities 1, 2, and 3) then there's a good chance our entire staff gets canned instead of just his weak ass d-coordinator.

Besides, extensions don't mean shit. They are just meant to reassure the person who receives them. Forgotten McNabb? He was benched like two weeks after getting his extension in 2010. Go ask Ryan Grigson if that extension that he got last year is working out for him now.[/quote]

You do not know what will go down with
Cousins either. What if San Francisco offers him over 25 million? There are a ton of desperate teams out there. Are we going to break the bank for a guy who doesn't handle pressure too well? I want Kirk resigned, but not at an inflated price. Also, you have no idea what Kirk is thinking. He might want a change of scenery for all we know.

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[URL="http://www.ninersnation.com/2017/1/22/14353290/washington-hires-jim-tomsula-dl-coach-greg-manusky-defensive-coordinator-49ers"]http://www.ninersnation.com/2017/1/22/14353290/washington-hires-jim-tomsula-dl-coach-greg-manusky-defensive-coordinator-49ers[/URL]

from the article:

[QUOTE]Tomsula was out of football over the past year following his firing by the 49ers. He had served as DL coach for eight years, including four with Manusky as the team’s defensive coordinator.[B] It was a frustrating time as the 49ers had talented players on defense, but the unit could not put it all together.[/B] [/QUOTE]

Yay... (not really)

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1163650]Hiring Manusky is like spending hours online looking at restaurants to go to, then just saying fuck it, and making a TV dinner.[/quote]

i've done this way too many times . . . lol

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1163798]You can put puff pieces up all you want. After 3 years of bad DC's, and terrible defenses, Gruden (and SM) should have gone above and beyond to pull in a top tier DC. Whether Manusky makes it or not isn't the question. The question is not will he succeed, the question is based on all empirical evidence was he the best candidate for the job. And the answer to that is a resounding no.

His group didn't excel beyond their abilities (in fact they barely played up to theirs). And his past stints as DC didn't produce elite or even top 10 outputs. Others that were looked at could answer yes to both those questions.

As a Skins fan, yes I hope he succeeds, and yes I hope we infuse top talent, which makes the DC's job easier. But no, as an NFL observer, he was not the right man for the job, not even close.[/quote]


This is pretty much my feelings as well. I don't believe Manusky was the best candidate for the job. I believe the top two candidates didn't want to come here. Otherwise, there would have been no reason to interview other guys before making up your mind on Pettine or Bradley. Their resume of past success is all the 'skins brass needed to make a judgment on if either two were right for the DC position. Instead, they promoted from within, a guy - while beloved by the team - does not have a resume that suggests he can improve the defense.

I will fully support Greg Manusky and hope he can turn the defense around, but I don't like the hire.

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maybe SM figures he needs one or two more years to get good players for the defense and then if stuff still doesn't work he can fire the coaching staff and lure Harbaugh from MI . . . worked in San Fran, why not here? lol

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Write up from the [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/01/23/a-closer-look-at-what-greg-manuskys-redskins-defense-might-look-like/"]WashingtonPost[/URL] about Manusky . . .

[quote]Fans might not feel enthusiastic about promoting from within after the defense struggled over the past two seasons under Barry. But Manusky has a more aggressive mind-set and should be willing to blitz more than Barry did. Simply blitzing more won’t solve all of Washington’s problems; clearly the team needs an influx of talent on defense, but that aggressive intent should help get more pressure on opposing quarterbacks who, at times last year, had all day in the pocket to find an open receiver.[/quote]

I do like the fact that he is more aggressive both with blitzes and with coverages . . . we have had aggressive coverages in a long time . . . hopefully that means no more 10 year cushions on 3rd and short!!

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1163817]Write up from the [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/01/23/a-closer-look-at-what-greg-manuskys-redskins-defense-might-look-like/"]WashingtonPost[/URL] about Manusky . . .



I do like the fact that he is more aggressive both with blitzes and with coverages . . . we have had aggressive coverages in a long time . . . hopefully that means no more 10 year cushions on 3rd and short!![/quote]

Good article, thanks for sharing. Our focus should b on the secondary coach right now. eff everything else

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[quote=Meks;1163776]I hate this fucking move. I hope I am proved wrong.[/quote]

After Haslett and Barry there is no where to go but up, be optimistic!

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1163821]After Haslett and Barry there is no where to go but up, be optimistic![/quote]


being dead last in 3rd down defense, you're exactly right!