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[quote=jamf;1167431]Or maybe the team started the rumor to get some redskins fans off suicide watch.
He's going to sign eventually.

[B]This team and their leaks are bullshit.
They hire a drunk who never said he gave up drinking but want to fire him for drinking. that's like dating a stripper and complaining she flirts with too many guys.


Fuck Cooley for starting these rumors for the team. What a coward[/B].[/quote]

U nailed it...and I need a stripper after a week of this redskin bullshit

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That's one situation settled. Next offer Cousins 5 years 115 million with 60 guaranteed. If he doesn't take it trade him for whatever you can get and move on.

Note - SM probably was saucing again but BA definitely seems like a big weasel IMHO.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1167432]Wait, is that a rumor? That rg3 is coming back here??[/quote]

Oh god. Solid, Jesus man. Noooo!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1167398]Who knows. Its a done deal now. If they re-sign RG3 then and only then will I say its 100percent Dan Snyder/Bruce allen

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Omg! That be the best. At this point I have given up on the Skins ever winning, I am just here for the drama and re signing rg3 would be like the super bowl of drama.

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With every rumor and leak that hits the media, how come nothing started until Cooley started speculating.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1167445]With every rumor and leak that hits the media, how come nothing started until Cooley started speculating.[/quote]

That's what I'm saying...doesn't smell right. This is something that seems like would have been news. Washington media and shit stains like florio would have put this out if this was true imo.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1167432]Wait, is that a rumor? That rg3 is coming back here??[/QUOTE]
Brock RG3 for kc and our 17. No link though.




Or it was an alternative fact report.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1167449]Brock RG3 for kc and our 17. No link though.




Or it was an alternative fact report.
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:saywhat:

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I fully understand the vitriol towards Allen and Snyder. But I don't get why that necessitates that we defend McCloughan. Guys, he was fired from San Fran for drinking. He was fired from Seattle for drinking. And he was clearly drinking again here (if the photos don't tell you that then let me just say I'm glad you're nowhere near the healthcare profession).

He had to go. Remember when Doctson hurt his Achilles and McC punched the wall and busted up his hand? Can you have a drunk around the office losing control of himself like that in a building full of administrative assistants, other scouts, etc? Obviously not.

Is this solely about McC drinking? Absolutely not. Allen's ego plays a major role. The primary role, even. But it doesn't matter. You can't be drunk and volatile on the job. He's batting 1.000 on getting fired this way, it's a no brainer.

Time to look forward. At this point my concern is that Jay needs to be in charge of the draft room.

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1167452]:saywhat:[/QUOTE]
Sorry. I was just messing with Snake. Its really a straight swap rg3 for kc. Lol

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I thought OB Jr. was the guy that punched the wall.

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1167457]I thought OB Jr. was the guy that punched the wall.[/QUOTE]
He had a fight against the FG net and lost.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167447]That's what I'm saying...doesn't smell right. This is something that seems like would have been news. Washington media and shit stains like florio would have put this out if this was true imo.[/quote]

It does not meet your smell test because you have a hard on for Cooley. For weeks you have been bagging on him for speculating Scot had been drinking again. Scot, an alcoholic that acknowledged he never really quite drinking.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1167429][B]@MikeJonesWaPo

Was told late in the season of jealousy up top and how they'd one day use McCloughan drinking as an excuse to can him. Exactly what happened[/B]



[url]https://twitter.com/MikeJonesWaPo/status/839994549279838208[/url][/quote]

F-Mike Jones - he lost all credibility during the by week when he said Colt could perform just as well as KC.

If this was true, why did he not post it them? He had no issues playing bus toss and driving over people any other time.

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As Matty can tell you guys, because I shared it with him a while ago, I've been talking with other media guys for a couple of months now about seeing and reading about McCloughan being (or at least looking) quite drunk (really was noticeable at the Senior Bowl). To be clear, I personally didn't see it. But heard from multiple people I trust, all outside the organization. Of course that's a serious and personal issue so it's not something you just blurt out. We were all pretty stunned when Cooley said it on air. I mean you just don't do that.

Around that time, I got a tip that McCloughan had not been a Redskins Park and let one of the reporters know. A handful of us started to see what was going on, vetting it through various sources. Dismissing some as not being reliable. The one constant we heard from McCloughan to his agent to Redskins officials was "Don't worry, I'll (he'll) be at the combine." Agents started calling reporters and a couple of reporters called me "Where's Scot? The rest of the team is here" And that's when the rest of the commotion started.

Now beside the drinking, I did hear reports of "power struggles" the last few months but honestly had just dismissed it as healthy discussions and figured I was primarily centered around Scot and Jay vs. Bruce and Dan on Kirk Cousins.

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Not many of us could show up to work drinking,drunk,lay out of work..etc and keep our jobs and most of us made a fraction of what he was making..He has Serious illness and i hope he can beat it..I don't blame the skins they gave him a chance when nobody else would..i doubt he gets another.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1167472]As Matty can tell you guys, because I shared it with him a while ago, I've been talking with other media guys for a couple of months now about seeing and reading about McCloughan being (or at least looking) quite drunk (really was noticeable at the Senior Bowl). To be clear, I personally didn't see it. But heard from multiple people I trust, all outside the organization. Of course that's a serious and personal issue so it's not something you just blurt out. We were all pretty stunned when Cooley said it on air. I mean you just don't do that.

Around that time, I got a tip that McCloughan had not been a Redskins Park and let one of the reporters know. A handful of us started to see what was going on, vetting it through various sources. Dismissing some as not being reliable. The one constant we heard from McCloughan to his agent to Redskins officials was "Don't worry, I'll (he'll) be at the combine." Agents started calling reporters and a couple of reporters called me "Where's Scot? The rest of the team is here" And that's when the rest of the commotion started.

Now beside the drinking, I did hear reports of "power struggles" the last few months but honestly had just dismissed it as healthy discussions and figured I was primarily centered around Scot and Jay vs. Bruce and Dan on Kirk Cousins.[/quote]

So what do you think about Mike Jones and Mike Silver saying it was a smear campaign? Supposedly Silver spoke wit McC. I'm sure drinking was also involved after seeing those bright red cheeks photo.

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Well there you go. Some unnamed guy who works for the Redskins said McC was drunk at work. That seals it. Unnamed guy has never been wrong before.

To be fair, I trust SS and his sources. And I agree that the photo of him with the rosy cheeks definitely is a bad look. I will also concede that there is solid (at minimum) evidence that he was drinking on the job. So if that is the case, yeah it's a valid reason to fire somebody.

But that doesn't mean I don't believe Bruce Allen has a case of the jealousy bug and used it as an excuse to get rid of him. Glorified scout, idc about that. Scouting is the foundation on which good teams lie. Bad scouts = terrible team. I'm not convinced his drinking led to him being ineffective at his job. Here's a question for you McC haters: How many FO personnel drink on the job? It's a loaded question to be sure, there's no way to verify an answer for it. But either way, I'm just not convinced his firing has everything to do with his drinking and nothing to do with Bruce Allen tired of not getting any credit for helping the team.

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[quote=jamf;1167431]Or maybe the team started the rumor to get some redskins fans off suicide watch.
He's going to sign eventually.

This team and their leaks are bullshit.
They hire a drunk who never said he gave up drinking but want to fire him for drinking. that's like dating a stripper and complaining she flirts with too many guys.


Fuck Cooley for starting these rumors for the team. What a coward.[/quote]
LOL ... Great post !!!!!

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/in-redskins-scot-mccloughan-saga-neither-side-can-cry-victim/2017/03/09/42353142-0504-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.1eb4c32386ae[/url]

Re: Redskins fire GM Scot McCloughan
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;1167474]So what do you think about Mike Jones and Mike Silver saying it was a smear campaign? Supposedly Silver spoke wit McC. I'm sure drinking was also involved after seeing those bright red cheeks photo.[/quote]

Well, I think it was a smear campaign in the sense that they took advantage of someone with a known problem and let it drag out and in many ways enabled it in order to expose him as the fall guy. They didn't provide help during the season, they didn't do anything when Cooley said what he said. They didn't protect him by being proactive about his absence from the combine.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1167453]I fully understand the vitriol towards Allen and Snyder. But I don't get why that necessitates that we defend McCloughan. Guys, he was fired from San Fran for drinking. He was fired from Seattle for drinking. And he was clearly drinking again here (if the photos don't tell you that then let me just say I'm glad you're nowhere near the healthcare profession).



He had to go. Remember when Doctson hurt his Achilles and McC punched the wall and busted up his hand? Can you have a drunk around the office losing control of himself like that in a building full of administrative assistants, other scouts, etc? Obviously not.



Is this solely about McC drinking? Absolutely not. Allen's ego plays a major role. The primary role, even. But it doesn't matter. You can't be drunk and volatile on the job. He's batting 1.000 on getting fired this way, it's a no brainer.



Time to look forward. At this point my concern is that Jay needs to be in charge of the draft room.[/QUOTE]



Bingo.

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Love this:

[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Bruce-Allen-had-his-Wikipedia-page-sabotaged-51667161]Bruce Allen had his Wikipedia page sabotaged[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;1167472]The one constant we heard from McCloughan to his agent to Redskins officials was "Don't worry, I'll (he'll) be at the combine." Agents started calling reporters and a couple of reporters called me "Where's Scot? The rest of the team is here" And that's when the rest of the commotion started.[/quote]

Did he not show up on his own accord or was he told not to come?

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Doesn't really matter anymore, the deed is done. Question should now be do they hire a new GM or just let Bruce do everything like before. Idiots needed to trade Cousins as him asking to be traded let the cat out of the bag that he didn't want to be here. With PG and DJax gone, might as well get an extra first round pick out of the deal. Hard to cheer for a guy that you know would rather be elsewhere.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167447]That's what I'm saying...doesn't smell right. This is something that seems like would have been news. Washington media and shit stains like florio would have put this out if this was true imo.[/quote]

Who cares at this point. The outcome was rather obvious as this crap has been going on for a couple weeks. There was a difference of opinion and Scot hung himself with the booze, just like his last two gigs. When the wifey tweeted that bit about the rings, including her wedding band, that told me that a lot of it was indeed personal. I hope the guy gets his life together and gets sober at this point. To be honest, I think he was a bit overhyped. This past draft really was mediocre, and if Doctson turns into Taylor Jacobs 2.0, then it would have sucked. Dwelling over a done deed is a waste of time. The handling of Kirk has been terrible. I just don't see him with us past 2017, and we might only get a 3rd rounder for him, when we could have had an additional first rounder this year. Too much bad blood out there now. Should just blow it up and get a new youngster.

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I am torn. Was he consistently drinking or drunk on the job. He should be fired.
Was the ensuing pressure from the public enough that Bruce and Danny knew it was time to act? Even if the reasons weren't completely anove board?

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[quote=mcludka;1167493]I am torn. Was he consistently drinking or drunk on the job. He should be fired.
Was the ensuing pressure from the public enough that Bruce and Danny knew it was time to act? Even if the reasons weren't completely anove board?[/quote]

Probably was indeed a power struggle of sorts, but the drinking had to be an issue

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[quote=NC_Skins;1167490]Did he not show up on his own accord or was he told not to come?[/quote]

Never got a clear answer. From what I gather he left Redskins Park on his own. And then was told not to bother coming to the combine. But that wasn't a last minute decision. He and the team knew for about a week that he wouldn't be at the combine. Even though they kept telling everyone he would

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Wondering if the last 18 months were a disaster, as Bruce is saying, was it indeed Bruce that has made the decisions? If so, they haven't been awful. ( minus the KC stuff, but that is complicated too) Is Bruce actually getting a bad rap??

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[quote=SmootSmack;1167472]As Matty can tell you guys, because I shared it with him a while ago, I've been talking with other media guys for a couple of months now about seeing and reading about McCloughan being (or at least looking) quite drunk (really was noticeable at the Senior Bowl). To be clear, I personally didn't see it. But heard from multiple people I trust, all outside the organization. Of course that's a serious and personal issue so it's not something you just blurt out. We were all pretty stunned when Cooley said it on air. I mean you just don't do that.

Around that time, I got a tip that McCloughan had not been a Redskins Park and let one of the reporters know. A handful of us started to see what was going on, vetting it through various sources. Dismissing some as not being reliable. The one constant we heard from McCloughan to his agent to Redskins officials was "Don't worry, I'll (he'll) be at the combine." Agents started calling reporters and a couple of reporters called me "Where's Scot? The rest of the team is here" And that's when the rest of the commotion started.

Now beside the drinking, I did hear reports of "power struggles" the last few months but honestly had just dismissed it as healthy discussions and figured I was primarily centered around Scot and Jay vs. Bruce and Dan on Kirk Cousins.[/quote]

Ok well that certainly isn't acceptable...I mean who hasn't gotten lil loose at the senior bowl?....just kiddin. Thanks for the insight

In regards to the power struggle...mike Robinson (nfl and McC friend)said the first sign of struggle was Scott told him was he wasn't allowed to bring his own guys in when but during the hiring process he was told he would be allowed. Also it was made clear during the hiring process he would have entire final say over the roster, no questions asked. He actually never did. Lastly, in the redskins building there was clear lines drawn who could be trusted and who couldn't meaning(leaks, people reporting gossip back to Bruce/dan. ) and this went beyond typical NFL working organization.

Thoughts?

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[quote=MTK;1167485][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/in-redskins-scot-mccloughan-saga-neither-side-can-cry-victim/2017/03/09/42353142-0504-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.1eb4c32386ae[/url][/quote]

Good article.

I don't know man. I have said this before but if not for this web site I longer be a Skins fan.

I am super ready to call it quits on this franchise. They honestly can't ever get anything right; its so frustrating.

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I think it speaks volumes about this organization that even the hardcore fans found on this site dont believe the stories and are totally fed-up. The sad thing is I dont think this organization cares.

When I look at the NFL, success starts from the top down and as long as DS is the owner this organization will never be successful. I totally agree with a previous poster, DS is the new Al Davis.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167503]Ok well that certainly isn't acceptable...I mean who hasn't gotten lil loose at the senior bowl?....just kiddin. Thanks for the insight

In regards to the power struggle...mike Robinson (nfl and McC friend)said the first sign of struggle was Scott told him was he wasn't allowed to bring his own guys in when but during the hiring process he was told he would be allowed. Also it was made clear during the hiring process he would have entire final say over the roster, no questions asked. He actually never did. Lastly, in the redskins building there was clear lines drawn who could be trusted and who couldn't meaning(leaks, people reporting gossip back to Bruce/dan. ) and this went beyond typical NFL working organization.

Thoughts?[/quote]

My thoughts are that any front office football guy would be crazy to come here since DS & Co. have proven over and over that you cant believe a word they say and in the end they will never turn over control of picking players to someone else.

Redskins fire GM Scot McCloughan
 

It's a shame the Skins brought him in without a good support system, it was obvious from day one that he needed it, whether he admitted it or not.

It's also a shame that McCloughan can't get control of his demons. From all accounts he's one of the top personnel guys around, and a good guy to boot. Someone close to him needs to get him some help. And he needs to realize that he can't keep going like this.

It's very disappointing how this leaked out. Smear campaigns are always so bush league. In the end both sides lose.

As Schneed mentioned I can understand the hate towards Allen/Snyder, but I think this is a case where both parties let each other down.

I wish Scot the best and hope he can bounce back stronger than ever.

Re: Redskins fire GM Scot McCloughan
 

[quote=Chico23231;1167503]Ok well that certainly isn't acceptable...I mean who hasn't gotten lil loose at the senior bowl?....just kiddin. Thanks for the insight

In regards to the power struggle...mike Robinson (nfl and McC friend)said the first sign of struggle was Scott told him was he wasn't allowed to bring his own guys in when but during the hiring process he was told he would be allowed. Also it was made clear during the hiring process he would have entire final say over the roster, no questions asked. He actually never did. Lastly, in the redskins building there was clear lines drawn who could be trusted and who couldn't meaning(leaks, people reporting gossip back to Bruce/dan. ) and this went beyond typical NFL working organization.

Thoughts?[/quote]

Yeah that's a good point about getting his own guys. Forgot about that. Something I often wondered about

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[quote=MTK;1167512]It's a shame the Skins brought him in without a good support system, it was obvious from day one that he needed it, whether he admitted it or not.

It's also a shame that McCloughan can't get control of his demons. From all accounts he's one of the top personnel guys around, and a good guy to boot. Someone close to him needs to get him some help. And he needs to realize that he can't keep going like this.

It's very disappointing how this leaked out. Smear campaigns are always so bush league. In the end both sides lose.

As Schneed mentioned I can understand the hate towards Allen/Snyder, but I think this is a case where both parties let each other down.

[B]I wish Scot the best and hope he can bounce back stronger than ever.[/B][/quote]

Hopefully to an NFC East team, that just be the cherry on top of the sundae we call the Washington Redskins.

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[quote=irish;1167509][B]I think it speaks volumes about this organization that even the hardcore fans found on this site dont believe the stories and are totally fed-up. The sad thing is I dont think this organization cares.[/B]

When I look at the NFL, success starts from the top down and as long as DS is the owner this organization will never be successful. I totally agree with a previous poster, DS is the new Al Davis.[/quote]

Good point. We are so sick and tired of the promises to change how we do business because its never truly happened. I think its fascinating how the top line management has packaged and sold this bs to the fans over and over. Folks it truly starts with Dan Snyder and his advisors. It isn't debatable. The people who have his ear and his actions directly lead to his reign of shit.

For people who think Jay is calling the shots, you obviously still haven't learned. He may have a little input, but clearly Bruce is the overwhelming authority in that building.

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@Russellmania621

Exact quote from 2/25 b4 combine:

“Bruce and Jay make decisions on EVERYTHING. The record of Redskins last 2 years is Bruce and Jay."

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I tend to believe that SM fell off the wagon, although my hatred for Allen and Snyder wants to believe the jealousy/built in excuse to fire him. That just seems sooooo ridiculous even for BA and DS.
Bottomline though is that I don't even care. Our quarterback and gm were the two best things this team had going and now.......ugh