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[quote=Giantone;1175254]Your spin won't help you.



P.S.

....actually talking about the National Anthem,not football.[/quote]

Good lord, I hope the Giants win this week so you can chill the f-word out.

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[quote=Chico23231;1175257]Good lord, I hope the Giants win this week so you can chill the f-word out.[/quote]

Well lets not be rash now lol! Go Bucs!!

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[quote=Chico23231;1175257]Good lord, I hope the Giants win this week so you can chill the f-word out.[/quote]

.....nothing to do with the Giants.

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A Redskins fan and a Giants fan enter a national anthem debate....

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Speaking for my self I am having a hard time trying to figure out what the national anthem has to do with what anyone is protesting. To be honest the things that make the US a great place to live is the freedoms we have. I was born and raised in Miami Florida, my family came from Nicaragua and Cuba. I also have Native American in my family. My grandfather (a Cuban) fought for this country. My father was able to make a life for himself and our family because of the opportunities that this country has. That is why I stand for the flag. With that said I am not offended by people protesting in this peaceful manner, I just don't get why the anthem. There is injustice in this country and the world. The worlds history is stained with blood of the conquered and oppressed, but it is up to us as humans to stop and come together. I stand because I feel like standing I say the words because the colonist took the risk to stand up to tyranny and through all the death rose a country. This country is not perfect but it is up to us to teach our children about unity. Thanks for letting me speak guys HTTR

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Just to be clear:

[url]https://gantdaily.com/2017/09/26/there-is-no-constitutional-right-to-take-a-knee-while-youre-at-work/[/url]

Also, if the protesting players' right to exercise free speech in the course of their employment is somehow "protected," what if a player stood during the Star-Spangled Banner, hand over heart but with the other hand, holding a sign that said "Only n****** refuse to stand for the USA," would his speech be protected as well? Or, is it only socially acceptable speech that provides immunity at work?

Personally, I think the whole protest is ridiculous in the sense that a bunch of privileged athletes are protesting b/c "America isn't perfect and bad stuff happens to some of us more than others." Whatever - is that really in doubt to a majority of Americans? I think not. However, knock yourself out.

Bottom line, I don't care what you do just so long as it doesn't interfere with my/our ability to take a moment - that your employers have given us, the fans - to honor the flag and our country.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1175265]Just to be clear:

[url]https://gantdaily.com/2017/09/26/there-is-no-constitutional-right-to-take-a-knee-while-youre-at-work/[/url]

Also, if the protesting players' right to exercise free speech in the course of their employment is somehow "protected," what if a player stood during the Star-Spangled Banner, hand over heart but with the other hand, holding a sign that said "Only n****** refuse to stand for the USA," would his speech be protected as well? Or, is it only socially acceptable speech that provides immunity at work?

Personally, I think the whole protest is ridiculous in the sense that a bunch of privileged athletes are protesting b/c "America isn't perfect and bad stuff happens to some of us more than others." Whatever - is that really in doubt to a majority of Americans? I think not. However, knock yourself out.

[B]Bottom line, I don't care what you do just so long as it doesn't interfere with my/our ability to take a moment - that your employers have given us, the fans - to honor the flag and our country[/B].[/quote]

It isn't interfering with your "moment", are they holding you down as they kneel?

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That's why I said I don't care. As long as they allow for the quiet enjoyment of the moment by others, then sit, stand, kneel, etc. just don't do things that reasonable people would consider a distraction.

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[quote=spearhead05;1175263]Speaking for my self I am having a hard time trying to figure out what the national anthem has to do with what anyone is protesting. To be honest the things that make the US a great place to live is the freedoms we have. I was born and raised in Miami Florida, my family came from Nicaragua and Cuba. I also have Native American in my family. My grandfather (a Cuban) fought for this country. My father was able to make a life for himself and our family because of the opportunities that this country has. That is why I stand for the flag. With that said I am not offended by people protesting in this peaceful manner, I just don't get why the anthem. There is injustice in this country and the world. The worlds history is stained with blood of the conquered and oppressed, but it is up to us as humans to stop and come together. I stand because I feel like standing I say the words because the colonist took the risk to stand up to tyranny and through all the death rose a country. This country is not perfect but it is up to us to teach our children about unity. Thanks for letting me speak guys HTTR[/quote]

Great post...even though I disagree with the protest, I respect their right to do it. I really wish folks would do a little more listening than talking, typing and tweeting, etc

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THINK ABOUT THIS!! IF a OWNER of a NFL team instructed his players to follow his view and they must KNEEL during anthem or get fired..do you think any players would stand? My point is Im not sure when it comes to GOD and Country that any NFL owner should tell his players what to do period..These are MULTI RICH WHITE MEN telling mostly BLACK players what to do...sounds familiar?? I am sick over all this and truly in my heart do not think these protest are going to change anything other than drive fans away from the sport..If all of this is over hatred towards Trump than use your energy to make damn sure next election EVERYBODY VOTES! I have decided not to watch the start of game and not get caught up in the drama..ask yourself this ..rather than to put the cameras on players protesting WHY not capture VETS and Fire fighters etc.. STANDING in HONOR of THE USA. I will tell you the media loves negative bad stuff..they would rather film a horrific event than prevent it.. Hopefully the NFL will wake up and realize they are hurting the sport.. There are a lot better ways to create change than this. all they are doing is driving away the audience. Just my take guys..PEACE

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Still can't believe that you get fined for altering the uniform in any way for any reason if Goodell doesn't want you to, but there's no fine for not respecting the flag or the national anthem. If first amendment rights allow the players to express themselves in relation to the flag, shouldn't it also apply to the uniform? At least in a a discrete way?
Or maybe the NFL uniform is a more important symbol than the flag and the national anthem...

(By the way, I'm with Giantone on the c... word. Never heard it used except as an incredible insult. As Leslie Nielsen knows, however, "beaver" is all right ;-)

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[quote=rocnrik;1175283]THINK ABOUT THIS!! IF a OWNER of a NFL team instructed his players to follow his view and they must KNEEL during anthem or get fired..do you think any players would stand? My point is Im not sure when it comes to GOD and Country that any NFL owner should tell his players what to do period..These are MULTI RICH WHITE MEN telling mostly BLACK players what to do...sounds familiar?? I am sick over all this and truly in my heart do not think these protest are going to change anything other than drive fans away from the sport..If all of this is over hatred towards Trump than use your energy to make damn sure next election EVERYBODY VOTES! I have decided not to watch the start of game and not get caught up in the drama..ask yourself this ..rather than to put the cameras on players protesting WHY not capture VETS and Fire fighters etc.. STANDING in HONOR of THE USA. I will tell you the media loves negative bad stuff..they would rather film a horrific event than prevent it.. Hopefully the NFL will wake up and realize they are hurting the sport.. There are a lot better ways to create change than this. all they are doing is driving away the audience. Just my take guys..PEACE[/quote]

I don't believe that any NFL owner owner can fire a player over the national anthem. It was Skip Bayliss or one of those guys who was talking about Jerry Jones' threats, and what it came down to is that they can only punish for things that are clear NFL rule violations. The NFL rules only state that the player must be technically on the field (that's why the steelers being in the tunnel obeyed the rule). It does not state that the player must stand.

So he said that if Jones fired someone over it, at a minimum you'd have the NFLPA get involved, probably a discrimination lawsuit, possible human rights violation (rights to peaceful protest/ free speech, etc?), and at worst case scenario Jerry could end up like Donald Sterling. He concluded by saying that there is a reason that no NFL owner has fired a player over the protest so far, because they know that they can't legally do it.

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Just when this issue was losing steam Trump opens his fat trap and sends it into a spiral. So tired of it. Stand, kneel, fuck it lay down if you want. Who cares.

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[quote=spearhead05;1175263]Speaking for my self I am having a hard time trying to figure out what the national anthem has to do with what anyone is protesting. To be honest the things that make the US a great place to live is the freedoms we have. I was born and raised in Miami Florida, my family came from Nicaragua and Cuba. I also have Native American in my family. My grandfather (a Cuban) fought for this country. My father was able to make a life for himself and our family because of the opportunities that this country has. That is why I stand for the flag. With that said I am not offended by people protesting in this peaceful manner, I just don't get why the anthem. There is injustice in this country and the world. The worlds history is stained with blood of the conquered and oppressed, but it is up to us as humans to stop and come together. I stand because I feel like standing I say the words because the colonist took the risk to stand up to tyranny and through all the death rose a country. This country is not perfect but it is up to us to teach our children about unity. Thanks for letting me speak guys HTTR[/quote]


Good to see a fellow Nicaraguan (My mom is from there) on the warpath.

Great post too. I agree with everything you said.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1175297]I don't believe that any NFL owner owner can fire a player over the national anthem. It was Skip Bayliss or one of those guys who was talking about Jerry Jones' threats, and what it came down to is that they can only punish for things that are clear NFL rule violations. The NFL rules only state that the player must be technically on the field (that's why the steelers being in the tunnel obeyed the rule). It does not state that the player must stand.

So he said that if Jones fired someone over it, at a minimum you'd have the NFLPA get involved, probably a discrimination lawsuit, possible human rights violation (rights to peaceful protest/ free speech, etc?), and at worst case scenario Jerry could end up like Donald Sterling. He concluded by saying that there is a reason that no NFL owner has fired a player over the protest so far, because they know that they can't legally do it.[/quote]

Or, you just cut the player and say it's for football reasons, and nobody bats an eye. That's how I would do it. But let's not pretend that's going to happen anyways, most players on the 53 earned that spot, and only the bottom 10 or so are in danger of being cut for any reason, and that's typically because they're not good enough anyways, or the team needs a roster spot for another player.

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[B][quote=MTK;1175308]Just when this issue was losing steam Drumpf opens his fat trap and sends it into a spiral. So tired of it. Stand, kneel, fuck it lay down if you want. Who cares.[/quote][/B]

This. I see this as a protest of Trump more than anything. I'm sorry his little vagina is bruised over this. God, he's such a pussy.

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I think if simply a team would have signed Kap in the offseason we wouldn't be here, but Trump statement was so dumb. Now Im thinking it was planned out. Regardless the President shouldn't be calling anyone who peaceful protest an SOB.

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[quote=mooby;1175318]Or, you just cut the player and say it's for football reasons, and nobody bats an eye. That's how I would do it. But let's not pretend that's going to happen anyways, most players on the 53 earned that spot, and only the bottom 10 or so are in danger of being cut for any reason, and that's typically because they're not good enough anyways, or the team needs a roster spot for another player.[/quote]

But you bring up a good point. Only the bottom 10 or so could get cut at any time, and you could then claim it was "football reasons" or whatever and maybe they wouldn't push the issue. You bet your ass though people would see right through "football reasons" if Prescott kneeled on Sunday primetime, and then Monday was released by the cowboys. Even Jerry is not that stupid. He's calling the players bluffs and hoping that they won't kneel, because if they do, he is smart enough to realize that he can't do anything about it. The best thing the owners can do, is stay out of the protests until it all calms down.

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[quote=MTK;1175308]Just when this issue was losing steam Trump opens his fat trap and sends it into a spiral. So tired of it. Stand, kneel, fuck it lay down if you want. Who cares.[/quote]

I care but I understand also.Like you as I said in my first post on this thread kneel ,sit,raise a fist fine it's your right and their's but trump screwed it up by even opening his mouth.
I have two son in laws both in the service Army /Marines both deployed,one is in Baghdad and the other is in his third tour in Afghanistan.Marine a life long Redskin fan and the other a Rams fan.I see what they and their families endure and I get pissed off but both of those men would be the first to tell you that this is why they are there,so we at home can be safe and even protest if we need/or want too.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1175327][B][/B]

This. I see this as a protest of Trump more than anything. I'm sorry his little vagina is bruised over this. God, he's such a pussy.[/quote]

Agree and thank you.

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The NFL store should sell kneeling pads with team logos printed on them.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1175348]The NFL store should sell kneeling pads with team logos printed on them.[/quote]

[IMG]https://i.imgflip.com/10jruw.jpg[/IMG]

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What annoys me is the group of people that really think they are protesting the flag.

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1175351]What annoys me is the group of people that really think they are protesting the flag.[/QUOTE]


Yup, unfortunately there are always those that think it’s a black and white issue when it’s clearly not.

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I have no problem with anyone expressing their feelings professionally.

But as a veteran of the US Army, this past weekend's display of disrespect during what should be a pretty sacred act disgusts me.

I turned the 'skins game on late & ended up watching the whole thing, not realizing some of my former beloved 'skins also decided to show their disrespect during the national anthem.

There are so many better ways to express their causes..they all have Twitter. They all have ample money & access to media. But to choose to disrespect their own country's anthem- that's just inexcusable to me.

To each his own, but I am "taking a knee on the NFL" for awhile...maybe forever.
There are other things to do on Sunday and I will keep exploring the options to help fill the void.

This will be my last post. I wish you all the best.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1175351]What annoys me is the group of people that really think they are protesting the flag.[/quote]

I think they're using that as an excuse so they don't have to say the real reason they dislike the protest, which is either A. because they don't care about it, or B. because they disagree that African Americans are treated differently by the cops. It's real convenient to say they're disrespecting veterans and the flag despite the fact that the majority of vets say the reason they fight is so you have the freedom to choose whether you want to sit or stand.

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[quote=mooby;1175364]I think they're using that as an excuse so they don't have to say the real reason they dislike the protest, which is either A. because they don't care about it, or B. because they disagree that African Americans are treated differently by the cops. It's real convenient to say they're disrespecting veterans and the flag despite the fact that the majority of vets say the reason they fight is so you have the freedom to choose whether you want to sit or stand.[/quote]

Pretty much, or they just change the subject and say something along the lines of "what about black on black crime?" It is annoying that people refuse to see it, but you cant teach an old dog new tricks.

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I'm not gonna rehash these ongoing arguments understand why kneeling for the anthem and not paying respect for the flag is disrespectful to military, Vets, general everyday folks who work long hours to serve and protect the country and their community...and is just generally anti-American ....then get out of you self serving bubble and get woke. Its easy to understand that folks who disrespect these symbols would garner anger towards them. And its not just vets, have you forgotten the global war on Islamic terrorist we are currently fighting...maybe speak to the victims of Boston, Fort Hood, Orlando and San Bernardino about that. Or maybe about to the active military along the 38th parallel in Korea who face a very real threat. We take a lot of things for granted. that's first.

Second, this protest has been very effective but the messaging from day 1 has been the issue. The clear message is "regardless of race or color all laws and justice should be equally applied to every American citizen. Equal treatment from enforcing agencies is demanded from the citizens of this country." Something along those lines. Kap and now others haven't established this clearly. Kap wearing the pig socks, the pussy Che shirt, not voting, supporting some questionable causes, saying some really ignorant shit...didn't really embody a positive message of awareness or change. A lot of blowback is because of him. Also from above, folks who say black on black crime this or that, either don't understand the protest or completely ignorant of it b/c that's not what this is about...I do think in a broader context of a bigger conversation there is merit but certainly not this conversation.

Now...the President. One thing every American should be completely irate about is the President standing in Alabama (context counts in a state where racial injustice has a history) and cursing a citizen by calling him a SOB over what has been a peaceful protest. This is completely unacceptable and the unifying arm locks I thought was a great response by the teams of the NFL. We should all be appalled and the President should apologize. This was disgraceful.

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[quote=Bangee7;1175363]

To each his own, but I am "taking a knee on the NFL" for awhile...maybe forever.
There are other things to do on Sunday and I will keep exploring the options to help fill the void.

This will be my last post. I wish you all the best.[/quote]

Best to you as well Bangee. PA + trout fishing = pretty damn awesome fall Sunday.

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[quote=Chico23231;1175368]I'm not gonna rehash these ongoing arguments understand why kneeling for the anthem and not paying respect for the flag is disrespectful to military, Vets, general everyday folks who work long hours to serve and protect the country and their community...and is just generally anti-American ....then get out of you self serving bubble and get woke. Its easy to understand that folks who disrespect these symbols would garner anger towards them. And its not just vets, have you forgotten the global war on Islamic terrorist we are currently fighting...maybe speak to the victims of Boston, Fort Hood, Orlando and San Bernardino about that. Or maybe about to the active military along the 38th parallel in Korea who face a very real threat. We take a lot of things for granted. that's first.

Second, this protest has been very effective but the messaging from day 1 has been the issue. The clear message is "regardless of race or color all laws and justice should be equally applied to every American citizen. Equal treatment from enforcing agencies is demanded from the citizens of this country." Something along those lines. Kap and now others haven't established this clearly. Kap wearing the pig socks, the pussy Che shirt, not voting, supporting some questionable causes, saying some really ignorant shit...didn't really embody a positive message of awareness or change. A lot of blowback is because of him. Also from above, folks who say black on black crime this or that, either don't understand the protest or completely ignorant of it b/c that's not what this is about...I do think in a broader context of a bigger conversation there is merit but certainly not this conversation.

Now...the President. One thing every American should be completely irate about is the President standing in Alabama (context counts in a state where racial injustice has a history) and cursing a citizen by calling him a SOB over what has been a peaceful protest. This is completely unacceptable and the unifying arm locks I thought was a great response by the teams of the NFL. We should all be appalled and the President should apologize. This was disgraceful.[/quote]

Well said! (Don't ya just hate it when someone quotes your entire point only to say, well said? :D)

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[quote=Chico23231;1175368]I'm not gonna rehash these ongoing arguments understand why kneeling for the anthem and not paying respect for the flag is disrespectful to military, Vets, general everyday folks who work long hours to serve and protect the country and their community...and is just generally anti-American ....then get out of you self serving bubble and get woke. Its easy to understand that folks who disrespect these symbols would garner anger towards them. And its not just vets, have you forgotten the global war on Islamic terrorist we are currently fighting...maybe speak to the victims of Boston, Fort Hood, Orlando and San Bernardino about that. Or maybe about to the active military along the 38th parallel in Korea who face a very real threat. We take a lot of things for granted. that's first.

Second, this protest has been very effective but the messaging from day 1 has been the issue. The clear message is "regardless of race or color all laws and justice should be equally applied to every American citizen. Equal treatment from enforcing agencies is demanded from the citizens of this country." Something along those lines. Kap and now others haven't established this clearly. Kap wearing the pig socks, the pussy Che shirt, not voting, supporting some questionable causes, saying some really ignorant shit...didn't really embody a positive message of awareness or change. A lot of blowback is because of him. Also from above, folks who say black on black crime this or that, either don't understand the protest or completely ignorant of it b/c that's not what this is about...I do think in a broader context of a bigger conversation there is merit but certainly not this conversation.

Now...the President. One thing every American should be completely irate about is the President standing in Alabama (context counts in a state where racial injustice has a history) and cursing a citizen by calling him a SOB over what has been a peaceful protest. This is completely unacceptable and the unifying arm locks I thought was a great response by the teams of the NFL. We should all be appalled and the President should apologize. This was disgraceful.[/quote]

When I stand for the National Anthem I stand in respect to the fact that the flag is the symbol of the entire USA not just the military and DoD civilians. To limit the flag to only a symbol of the military is to do it and us a huge dis-service. I wish was that we had this protesting spirit over a decade ago and maybe the Govt wouldn't have gotten us into two wasteful, worthless, and unending wars.

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[quote=irish;1175381]When I stand for the National Anthem I stand in respect to the fact that the flag is the symbol of the entire USA not just the military and DoD civilians. To limit the flag to only a symbol of the military is to do it and us a huge dis-service. I wish was that we had this protesting spirit over a decade ago and maybe the Govt wouldn't have gotten us into two wasteful, worthless, and unending wars.[/quote]

So Patriotic for someone whose user name is irish.

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This has never been about the Flag ,this has never been about the National Anthem.This has always been about one man protesting the treatment of Blacks by Police in this country or at least that is what he has said.Others have jumped on the band wagon and drawn their own conclusions and cause's into it making it muddled.

Trump chimed in and as always is ignorant of the subject matter and blew up the entire situation just as JR said "it was settling down".So now what is the protest about,who knows,seems everyone has their own reason.What people have said is that Pat Tillman and many others have died defending a Flag that represents a Country that good or bad allows you to protest it "PEACEFULLY" any way you want.

Last and it's only my :twocents:Kapernick was not playing well when he decided to do this to bring attention to himself , he was not playing well and being a Vet is required to make a certain amount of money,he hasn't take a snap in over a year he is not a very good NFL QB.

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[QUOTE=irish;1175381]When I stand for the National Anthem I stand in respect to the fact that the flag is the symbol of the entire USA not just the military and DoD civilians. To limit the flag to only a symbol of the military is to do it and us a huge dis-service. I wish was that we had this protesting spirit over a decade ago and maybe the Govt wouldn't have gotten us into two wasteful, worthless, and unending wars.[/QUOTE]



Boom, nailed it

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[quote=irish;1175381]When I stand for the National Anthem I stand in respect to the fact that the flag is the symbol of the entire USA not just the military and DoD civilians. To limit the flag to only a symbol of the military is to do it and us a huge dis-service. I wish was that we had this protesting spirit over a decade ago and maybe the Govt wouldn't have gotten us into two wasteful, worthless, and unending wars.[/quote]

was addressing the military angle of it b/c it had been mentioned above and of course its not limited to just those folks. Didn't think id have to fully explain who...but kinda guess you have too these days, which is kinda sad really?

First thing everybody should do is kiss the ground when you wake up, because you really don't understand how well we gotta here in this country. But go on and keep believing the new false narrative of the day and continue to let others tell ya how to think. Its just easier that way I guess.

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i do not see it ending now.trump calls the nfl out if that happens.

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[quote=irish;1175381]When I stand for the National Anthem I stand in respect to the fact that the flag is the symbol of the entire USA not just the military and DoD civilians. To limit the flag to only a symbol of the military is to do it and us a huge dis-service. I wish was that we had this protesting spirit over a decade ago and maybe the Govt wouldn't have gotten us into two wasteful, worthless, and unending wars.[/quote]

We could maybe start a new thread about this because I don't want to veer the original thread off topic, but almost FIVE MILLION people in North Korea just signed up to fight us following Trump's latest round of threats. Consider us thoroughly and completely F'd. No disrespect to our current fighting force, but even they know that going into N.Korea would be a complete slaughter the likes of which the world has never seen. Especially since we don't have five million people in all of our branches combined. No way in the world we could beat them on their home turf, hopefully we learned our lesson following Iraq & Afghanistan (Very doubtful though)

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1175430]We could maybe start a new thread about this because I don't want to veer the original thread off topic, but almost FIVE MILLION people in North Korea just signed up to fight us following Trump's latest round of threats. Consider us thoroughly and completely F'd. No disrespect to our current fighting force, but even they know that going into N.Korea would be a complete slaughter the likes of which the world has never seen. Especially since we don't have five million people in all of our branches combined. No way in the world we could beat them on their home turf, hopefully we learned our lesson following Iraq & Afghanistan (Very doubtful though)[/quote]

Solid, that story is complete propaganda. They can't even feed the army they currently have...and they don't have the fuel to move it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1175431]Solid, that story is complete propaganda. They can't even feed the army they currently have...and they don't have the fuel to move it.[/quote]

I hope so man. Maybe we can talk about it in the debating with the enemy thread, i don't want to get the thread off topic too bad. Just had to briefly interrupt because of the comments about Trump, etc., and N. Korea's response with saying that 5 million people signed up..

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5 million lol

Come on man