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Just finished listening to the podcast of Cooley's show from Friday.

There was a general Jordan Reed discussion and the subject of his crappy blocking came up.

Cooley said he actually communicates a lot with Reed and is going to be working in the offseason with him on his blocking.

Cooley said Reed was serious on getting better and realized he has to.

This isn't a revelation by any means, but it is the first time I've heard about any efforts to improve it.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1185768]Just finished listening to the podcast of Cooley's show from Friday.

There was a general Jordan Reed discussion and the subject of his crappy blocking came up.

Cooley said he actually communicates a lot with Reed and is going to be working in the offseason with him on his blocking.

Cooley said Reed was serious on getting better and realized he has to.

This isn't a revelation by any means, but it is the first time I've heard about any efforts to improve it.[/quote]


Unfortunately you cant get better on IR, dude is made of glass. I cant take him serious anymore, if he plays 8 games next yr I'll be shocked.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1185769]Unfortunately you cant get better on IR, dude is made of glass. I cant take him serious anymore, if he plays 8 games next yr I'll be shocked.[/QUOTE]



Exactly. Since when has getting better been an issue with Reed unless we are referring to his health? I do not even consider him part of the team. Moving forward TE is a definite need. If Reed suddenly stays healthy for more than three weeks at a time that is a bonus. Personally though i have seen , or not seen, enough.

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We saw that the steelers couldn't stop jacksonville's run game, that is what we need a big time three down back that is able to take it to the house on any carry. There are some in this draft. If we get a stud RB, that alone will help the defense with the time of possession. I know we need other things as well but I would be looking to get a stud RB and don't wait to the 4th round to get one. Get the one you prefer not who is left.

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Would you try and pay someone like Kris Richard (just let go by the Seahawks) to come in at DC if he doesn't get a head job?

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[quote=punch it in;1185783]Exactly. Since when has getting better been an issue with Reed unless we are referring to his health? I do not even consider him part of the team. Moving forward TE is a definite need. If Reed suddenly stays healthy for more than three weeks at a time that is a bonus. Personally though i have seen , or not seen, enough.[/quote]

You took the words right out of my mouth on that one. Reed just can't stay healthy, and i would hope the skins have a plan for replacing him. No way they are seriously counting on him to be a big part of 2018, not realistically at least.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1185889]You took the words right out of my mouth on that one. Reed just can't stay healthy, and i would hope the skins have a plan for replacing him. No way they are seriously counting on him to be a big part of 2018, not realistically at least.[/QUOTE]



There is nobody there i trust to “plan” anything. Lol

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1185888]Would you try and pay someone like Kris Richard (just let go by the Seahawks) to come in at DC if he doesn't get a head job?[/quote]

He should be a HC candidate, I'd take him in a heartbeat as our DC. Manusky can coach LBs or something.

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This is an of season fluff piece, but i still like Bennie Logan at the right price: [url=http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/need-know-five-possible-redskins-free-agent-targets]Need to Know: Five possible Redskins free agent targets | NBC Sports Washington[/url]

I thought the team would pursue him last year.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1186014]This is an of season fluff piece, but i still like Bennie Logan at the right price: [url=http://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/need-know-five-possible-redskins-free-agent-targets]Need to Know: Five possible Redskins free agent targets | NBC Sports Washington[/url]

I thought the team would pursue him last year.[/quote]

Cooper would be great , Logan as well.. Pass on the rest, Teddy had a horrible injury and we've had a QB with that before, no thanks but wish the guy well.

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Just saw a stat showing that every NFC team has gone to the NFC championship game at least TWICE since 1995 compared to zero from the Cowboys, Lions, and Redskins who haven't been since 91. Wow.

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[quote=Redskins247;1186035]Just saw a stat showing that every NFC team has gone to the NFC championship game at least TWICE since 1995 compared to zero from the Cowboys, Lions, and Redskins who haven't been since 91. Wow.[/quote]

This is only a result of one of the worst owner in sports, Dan Snyder. We got bought by a buffoon who set the franchise back by twenty years. Sad but true

I just hate to think about Snyder...I just get irate. Really sad what this franchise has become.

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[quote=Chico23231;1186036]This is only a result of one of the worst owner in sports, Dan Snyder. We got bought by a buffoon who set the franchise back by twenty years. Sad but true[/quote]

So true. And it's almost like Snyder has copied Jerry Jones model of ownership...minus having Jimmy Johnson, who helped him a lot....but even bringing back Gibbs couldn't save this franchise from Snyder.

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[quote=Redskins247;1186037]So true. And it's almost like Snyder has copied Jerry Jones model of ownership...minus having Jimmy Johnson, who helped him a lot....but even bringing back Gibbs couldn't save this franchise from Snyder.[/quote]

Another clear example, look what discussion rules the Redskins right now, Cousins QB decision looms. Why? Complete mismanagement from the fucking top of the organization, AND LETS BE CLEAR, SNYDER IS a MAJOR Decision maker in who the QB is for this Franchise. His voice is among the highest. And its clear at this point, we have fucked it up from day 1. McC who was the GM said sign him....Bruce and Dan refused...now he will most likely walk without compensation.

This is absolutely ridiculous from a business sense. Complete shit show.

Now lets look at recent history with Dan and Bruce and the QB position:

Completely terrible trade for McNabb who the Coach at the time did not want

Completely terrible draft trade for RG3 for a coach who did not want.

And now this garbage with Cousins, the most competent QB of the Snyder era will walk and people are satisfied with no compensation. Terrible business decision.

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[quote=Chico23231;1186036]This is only a result of one of the worst owner in sports, Dan Snyder. We got bought by a buffoon who set the franchise back by twenty years. Sad but true

I just hate to think about Snyder...I just get irate. Really sad what this franchise has become.[/quote]

That stat cracks me up tho because it's the last time Dallas won a sb, y start it at 95? It's a jab at them.

Dallas and Was should both be EMBARRASSED that this shit has lasted that long, its a joke to both fan bases and franchisees who are storied teams.

Unfortunately I dont know if we'll ever see the skins win a SB again, I would say odds are yeah eventually they will get hot and win but man look at GB, they went like 30 plus years w/o winning one, KC has only won 1 since the SB era. Some teams have yet to even make it there.


Vegas has us at 7-9 next yr as of today, which means squat

Washington
Projected 2018 over/under: 7 wins


Arguably the most injury-hit team in football, Jay Gruden's team will hope to get more games -- if not full seasons -- out of impact contributors such as Chris Thompson, Jordan Reed and Trent Williams in 2018. Of course, Washington might be coming back with a totally different team, given that it could move on from Kirk Cousins and cut cornerback Josh Norman, which would slice its most expensive offensive and defensive players off the roster. This total assumes both players stay while Washington allows Bashaud Breeland and Zach Brown to leave in free agency, but much is up in the air.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1186036]This is only a result of one of the worst owner in sports, Dan Snyder. We got bought by a buffoon who set the franchise back by twenty years. Sad but true



I just hate to think about Snyder...I just get irate. Really sad what this franchise has become.[/QUOTE]



Exactly. I dont understand why it is always blame game time and a mystery when things don’t pan out again. There has been one constant and he is responsible for every hire that has been made. Those people, in turn, are in charge of everything else. Seems pretty simple to me.

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[quote=punch it in;1186066]Exactly. I dont understand why it is always blame game time and a mystery when things don’t pan out again. There has been one constant and he is responsible for every hire that has been made. Those people, in turn, are in charge of everything else. Seems pretty simple to me.[/quote]

Well it's either gripe about it and deal with it (like a shitty relationship) or move on because Dan is like a woman he is stubborn as fuck and wont leave.

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This quote by Mike Shanahan is why we can only blame Dan Snyder directly for QB decisions:

[I]"'Dan could care less about the other positions,' the coach (Shanahan) said, by way of explaining why he doesn't consult Snyder about who is playing right guard."
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As for the rest of the personnel decisions, I suppose Snyder can only be blamed indirectly for hiring poor executives to work for him.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1186039]Another clear example, look what discussion rules the Redskins right now, Cousins QB decision looms. Why? Complete mismanagement from the fucking top of the organization, AND LETS BE CLEAR, SNYDER IS a MAJOR Decision maker in who the QB is for this Franchise. His voice is among the highest. And its clear at this point, we have fucked it up from day 1. McC who was the GM said sign him....Bruce and Dan refused...now he will most likely walk without compensation.

This is absolutely ridiculous from a business sense. Complete shit show.

Now lets look at recent history with Dan and Bruce and the QB position:

Completely terrible trade for McNabb who the Coach at the time did not want

Completely terrible draft trade for RG3 for a coach who did not want.

And now this garbage with Cousins, the most competent QB of the Snyder era will walk and people are satisfied with no compensation. Terrible business decision.[/QUOTE]Based on Kirks comments this year, and Scots, it sounds more like they offered Cousins a contract during the 2015 season, Cousins wanted to but his agent wanted him to wait. After the season, Kirk wanted top be paid a big contract, but based on the talent evaluation of Mccloughan and Gruden they franchised him and said prove it. Cousins played well last year, and than shit the bed when it counted, but the FO still offered him a contract that was a legitimate starting point for negotiations, but Cousins wouldn't negotiate. There is no evidence that Bruce and Snyder interfered. What are you basing that on?

What you are so upset about would make more sense to me if last offseason they had said they were still unsure and wouldn't sign him long-term, but they did try. What should they have done differently?

I agree that if Kirk doesn't want to be here they should try to get compensation for him, and I agree that in hindsight they should have signed him before the first franchise tag, but only because now we now that Cousins would force a second tag, find me one person who said that at the time.



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[quote=WillH;1186102]Based on Kirks comments this year, and Scots, it sounds more like they offered Cousins a contract during the 2015 season, Cousins wanted to but his agent wanted him to wait. After the season, Kirk wanted top be paid a big contract, but based on the talent evaluation of Mccloughan and Gruden they franchised him and said prove it. Cousins played well last year, and than shit the bed when it counted, but the FO still offered him a contract that was a legitimate starting point for negotiations, but Cousins wouldn't negotiate. There is no evidence that Bruce and Snyder interfered. What are you basing that on?

What you are so upset about would make more sense to me if last offseason they had said they were still unsure and wouldn't sign him long-term, but they did try. What should they have done differently?

I agree that if Kirk doesn't want to be here they should try to get compensation for him, and I agree that in hindsight they should have signed him before the first franchise tag, but only because now we now that Cousins would force a second tag, find me one person who said that at the time.[/quote]

[URL="Report: Redskins Rejected $19.5M Cousins Deal In 2016"]In 2016, I think Snyder and Allen could have locked up Cousins in a 3 year deal around $19.5 mil per year.[/URL] Instead they lowballed him at $16 mil per year and ended up having to franchise him at $20 mil that year.

They franchised him again in 2017 for $24 mil. The market value per the Stafford, Luck, and Carr contracts is about $25 mil. That's the minimum Kirk's contract will be worth now.

Now they are looking at either paying him $34 mil this year to guarantee him staying, or $28 mil this year and risk someone else taking a gamble on Kirk exceeding that price.

All this versus the Skins FO could have had Kirk locked up at $20 mil the past couple years, and not be looking at the escalating $ tag situation now.... Snyder and Allen screwed up big time.

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[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1186104][URL="Report: Redskins Rejected $19.5M Cousins Deal In 2016"]In 2016, I think Snyder and Allen could have locked up Cousins in a 3 year deal around $19.5 mil per year.[/URL] Instead they lowballed him at $16 mil per year and ended up having to franchise him at $20 mil that year.

They franchised him again in 2017 for $24 mil. The market value per the Stafford, Luck, and Carr contracts is about $25 mil. That's the minimum Kirk's contract will be worth now.

Now they are looking at either paying him $34 mil this year to guarantee him staying, or $28 mil this year and risk someone else taking a gamble on Kirk exceeding that price.

All this versus the Skins FO could have had Kirk locked up at $20 mil the past couple years, and not be looking at the escalating $ tag situation now.... Snyder and Allen screwed up big time.[/QUOTE]No, yeah, I get it, we all know what happened, but show me someone who said it would play out this way. Most were saying that they should franchise him and let him prove it was more than a good season.

For example:

"Kirk Cousins is also, however, a quarterback with one strong season who has lost more games as a starter than he's won. The leader of a team that, while winning the NFC East last year, finished the season 9-7.

That makes the giant check Washington is about to hand Cousins a risky bet no matter what course of action it takes."

[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2617119-kirk-cousins-guaranteed-to-be-overpaid-in-2016-nfl-free-agency[/url]






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[quote=WillH;1186105]No, yeah, I get it, we all know what happened, but show me someone who said it would play out this way. Most were saying that they should franchise him and let him prove it was more than a good season.

For example:

"Kirk Cousins is also, however, a quarterback with one strong season who has lost more games as a starter than he's won. The leader of a team that, while winning the NFC East last year, finished the season 9-7.

That makes the giant check Washington is about to hand Cousins a risky bet no matter what course of action it takes."

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2617119-kirk-cousins-guaranteed-to-be-overpaid-in-2016-nfl-free-agency]Kirk Cousins Guaranteed to Be Overpaid in 2016 NFL Free Agency | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

I agree it was a hard choice, but that's the difference between a good FO and a bad one. The Lions high priced deal looks pretty good now. Luck and Carr don't seem exorbitant now, especially compared to what Cousins might get. The Patriots, well after the big deal Brady signed in 2010, since then he's helped the Pats big time giving them a hometown discount. Paying market value on a QB in all those cases is paying off.

The Skins OTOH, lowballed and lost.

There are at least two people who in their own actions basically said things would play out the way they have: Kirk and his agent. And they were absolutely right.

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[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1186106]I agree it was a hard choice, but that's the difference between a good FO and a bad one. The Lions high priced deal looks pretty good now. Luck and Carr don't seem exorbitant now, especially compared to what Cousins might get. The Patriots, well after the big deal Brady signed in 2010, since then he's helped the Pats big time giving them a hometown discount. Paying market value on a QB in all those cases is paying off.

The Skins OTOH, lowballed and lost.

There are at least two people who in their own actions basically said things would play out the way they have: Kirk and his agent. And they were absolutely right.[/QUOTE]Well...

Luck, Stafford, and Brady all had more of a resume under their belts when they got their deals.

And Carr had a 12-3 season the year of his contract

And...

How much have the Luck, Stafford, and Carr deals really worked out yet?

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[quote=WillH;1186107]Well...

Luck, Stafford, and Brady all had more of a resume under their belts when they got their deals.

And Carr had a 12-3 season the year of his contract

And...

How much have the Luck, Stafford, and Carr deals really worked out yet?

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Have our primary decision makers been right about the qb position since Bruce Allen has been in the building? I think that was the original point... it’s been a disaster

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[quote=WillH;1186107]Well...

Luck, Stafford, and Brady all had more of a resume under their belts when they got their deals.

And Carr had a 12-3 season the year of his contract

And...

How much have the Luck, Stafford, and Carr deals really worked out yet?

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Given the escalating price of good QBs, I think locking Luck, Stafford, and Carr in their current deals have been good bets. Certainly the Skins would have been better off all the way up and including this year if they had taken Kirk's agent's original offer.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1186110]Have our primary decision makers been right about the qb position since Bruce Allen has been in the building? I think that was the original point... it’s been a disaster[/QUOTE]It has turned out disastrously at times.

McNabb, bad outcome, not a horrible plan, one I believe endorsed by the Superbowl winning head coach. It did not cripple this franchise.

RG3 was THE disaster. The trade was a mistake, a terrible organizational decision. At first, the results were spectacularly good remember. Then the injuries, and then worse than that, the dude turned into an egomaniac (I don't know about you, but to me when drafted he seemed like he had a great head on his shoulders, noone knew how his psyche would play out in the NFL). This is where I agree Danny's meddling showed itself again, but Shanahan shouldn't have let it happen. He should have given a ultimatum the second Danny showed any preference to RG3s desires over the coaches.

Cousins was a steal of a draft pick BTW, and the organization eventually put football guys in a position to make football decisions. Gruden and McCloughan put there foots down and gave Cousins the reigns.

Unfortunately the timing was such that his contract ended at the same time as his breakout year. How many times does paying a QB big money after one good year pan out? So, they made him prove it and the rest is history...

This team has more positive organizational direction since Gibbs 2.0. The injuries masked that this year, but they have learned to build through the draft and smart free agent moves.

Cousins not working out will fucking suck! But I think that's his fault more than theirs at this point. Dude has no loyalty to a fan base that clearly kisses his ass, and a coach that bet his career on him at the beginning, because why? He wants to get paid, he liked the OC that left, and he doesn't like being judged by his record. But the FO should have bet everything HIM after one good season.


Edit: let me back of the final paragraph their a bit. I'll be back to asskissing fanboy if Cousins signs here long-term.
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[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1186112]Given the escalating price of good QBs, I think locking Luck, Stafford, and Carr in their current deals have been good bets. Certainly the Skins would have been better off all the way up and including this year if they had taken Kirk's agent's original offer.[/QUOTE]Yeah, they would have been. They also would have been better off if they drafted Brady years ago. They would have been better off if they let Cousins go and traded up to get Carson Wentz.

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[quote=WillH;1186114]Yeah, they would have been. They also would have been better off if they drafted Brady years ago. They would have been better off if they let Cousins go and traded up to get Carson Wentz.

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Agreed. :food-smil

I just wish our FO could do as well as the aforementioned teams. And I still don't see any animosity from Kirk nor his agent.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1186067]Well it's either gripe about it and deal with it (like a shitty relationship) or move on because Dan is like a woman he is stubborn as fuck and wont leave.[/QUOTE]



Lmao. Thanks for making that so clear.

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ESPN's John Keim wrote "it's hard to see" S Su'a Cravens returning to the Redskins.

Cravens flirted with retirement last September before leaving the team and spending the season on the exempt/left squad list. Cravens' agent said the safety was suffering from post-concussion syndrome during that episode, but he has been medically cleared now and is "looking forward" to the 2018 season. Even so, Keim doubts Washington trusts Cravens enough to keep him around, and they have found a replacement in Montae Nicholson. A second-round picking in 2016, Cravens should draw interest if Washington puts him on the block.

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Cravens is prob gone just like this dude....



Terrelle Pryor, WR, Washington Redskins: All I remember hearing when Pryor signed in Washington is that he was amazing in Cleveland, and though the former quarterback had just four receiving touchdowns to his name, he was going to play with one of the most efficient quarterbacks in the NFL in Kirk Cousins. A one-handed grab in practice made the world lose its damn mind. And then you probably lost your fantasy season if you drafted him. Pryor played in nine games for Washington in 2017 and started just two. He was targeted 37 times and nabbed 20 receptions for 240 yards and a touchdown. At times, he even looked like a former quarterback still learning to play wide receiver.

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Free Agent wish list.....

DT Star Lotulelel or Justin Ellis Oakland - 48 tackles

ILB Demario Davis 133 tackles and 15 QB hits

FS Lamarcus Joyner or Tre Boston

...........................................................

Offense

G Andrew Norwell


all but Norwell should be moderate contracts.....Then draft offense

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I was wondering if anyone has heard from Smoot ,was wondering what his opinion of this whole season is?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1186476]I was wondering if anyone has heard from Smoot ,was wondering what his opinion of this whole season is?[/QUOTE]Can we start a come back SmootSmack petition thread?

Nah, we all have lives, and that takes precedence, but damn I wish I had his takes still.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1185768]Just finished listening to the podcast of Cooley's show from Friday.

There was a general Jordan Reed discussion and the subject of his crappy blocking came up.

Cooley said he actually communicates a lot with Reed and is going to be working in the offseason with him on his blocking.

Cooley said Reed was serious on getting better and realized he has to.

This isn't a revelation by any means, but it is the first time I've heard about any efforts to improve it.[/quote]

Idk how I missed this, but w/e.

Positives - Reed recognizes his blocking is horrible and has decided to make that an offseason priority.

Negatives - Cooley was never the greatest blocker himself, not sure I want him teaching Reed the fundamentals.

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[quote=WillH;1186487]Can we start a come back SmootSmack petition thread?

Nah, we all have lives, and that takes precedence, but damn I wish I had his takes still.

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We all miss the dank nugs of knowledge SS used to drop, but I like to think SS doesn't visit because he has bigger priorities in life now. Hope you're doing ok SS, wherever you are.

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Draft this guy.
Then Reed can IR himself to death for all I care.

[url]https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/1/23/16924794/senior-bowl-news-2018-tight-end-dallas-goedert-meetings-49ers-draft-prospect[/url]

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[IMG]http://https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DULfjdQVAAETYAA.jpg[/IMG]

Z Brown... Pay that man

Defensive players who registered 30+ "run stuffs" (tackles for 2 or fewer yards) this year per #NextGenStats


Brown was 13th on the list. Better than the amazing Sean Lee

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Pay ZB at the right price, he’s got some serious limitations in coverage which should limit his price. He’s not going to get top LB money.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1186574]Pay ZB at the right price, he’s got some serious limitations in coverage which should limit his price. He’s not going to get top LB money.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree with this. What do you think the right price is?

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