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Thank you - yes OTC now recognizes Quick as having a $700K cap hit. His deal was close to veteran minimum. Revised the original post again, we're looking at around $17.0M of cap space currently. Could be a little more or a little less depending on what Scandrick's deal actually looks like.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1191234]Thank you - yes OTC now recognizes Quick as having a $700K cap hit. His deal was close to veteran minimum. Revised the original post again, we're looking at around $17.0M of cap space currently. Could be a little more or a little less depending on what Scandrick's deal actually looks like.[/QUOTE]

This is really good. Minus the rookie pool that would be 13 to 15M available, that might even be enough for 2 significant signings: Hankins would not demand more than 10M would he? Then we'd still have 3 to 5M left, that we may want to keep for next year ?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1191236]This is really good. Minus the rookie pool that would be 13 to 15M available, that might even be enough for 2 significant signings: Hankins would not demand more than 10M would he? Then we'd still have 3 to 5M left, that we may want to keep for next year ?

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I would think that $10M per season would get it done, he had a deal worth $9M per season with Indy, and he played up to it. The only reason they released him was the switch they are making from the 3-4 to the 4-3.

A deal worth $10M per season would not necessarily count $10M against our cap in the first year. Zach Brown's deal is worth $7M per season, but he only counts $2.7M this year. It's all in how you structure it.

I think Allen and Shaffer would be wise to get Hankins in house, but structure it so that the cap hit is only about $7M in the first year, and then go ahead and get a guard. Right now we have Roullier at Center and who TF knows at LG, Kouandjio? Not good enough.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1191239]I would think that $10M per season would get it done, he had a deal worth $9M per season with Indy, and he played up to it. The only reason they released him was the switch they are making from the 3-4 to the 4-3.

A deal worth $10M per season would not necessarily count $10M against our cap in the first year. Zach Brown's deal is worth $7M per season, but he only counts $2.7M this year. It's all in how you structure it.

I think Allen and Shaffer would be wise to get Hankins in house, but structure it so that the cap hit is only about $7M in the first year, and then go ahead and get a guard. Right now we have Roullier at Center and who TF knows at LG, Kouandjio? Not good enough.[/QUOTE] oh yeah, absolutely right... it's still early but I think we're having a far better off season than most fans think!

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While OTC has not updated for Orlando Scandrick's deal yet, John Keim did tweet the following:

[QUOTE]Corner Orlando Scandrick received a $1 million signing bonus from Washington, but there's no other guaranteed money in his two-year contract. He'll count $2.6 million vs. the salary cap in 2018 and $4.25 million in 2019. If he's cut after this season, the Redskins would only have $500,000 in dead money on their cap. Scandrick receivers per-game roster bonuses up to $500,000 this season and up to $1 million next season. The Redskins signed him to compete for the starting job opposite Josh Norman, but knowing he could play in the slot if nothing else.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Another key part of corner Orlando Scandrick's deal: play-time incentives and escalator clauses. Based on play time in both seasons, Scandrick can earn up to $1 million. in addition, he also has an escalator clause tied to play time in both years, which could trigger up to $1 million in salary. These triggers make it a good deal for both sides. If Scandrick doesn't stay healthy or play well, then the Redskins won't take a big cap hit if they had to part ways after one season. But if he does play well and is durable, which is what both sides want, then Scandrick would be taken care of with the incentives and escalators.[/QUOTE]

The original post has been updated using Keim's reported $2.6M on this year's cap. So we're estimating here that the Redskins have $18.9M in cap space currently.

Recommend they pony up for Johnathan Hankins. C'mon Bruce.

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So with the way Scandrick's deal is structured, I read it as an insurance policy taken out against the development of Fabian Moreau. If Moreau develops like his talent would lead you to believe he's capable, then Scandrick would be relegated to slot duty and likely wouldn't trigger those playing time incentives.

But if Moreau (or Dunbar for that matter) can't develop into starting caliber CBs, then Scandrick will play more and thus trigger the incentives.

That second scenario is not good for the Redskins, don't get me wrong. But if Scandrick is relegated to the slot, as would certainly be considered the team's Plan A, then the price is right.

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[quote=Schneed10;1191420]So with the way Scandrick's deal is structured, I read it as an insurance policy taken out against the development of Fabian Moreau. If Moreau develops like his talent would lead you to believe he's capable, then Scandrick would be relegated to slot duty and likely wouldn't trigger those playing time incentives.

But if Moreau (or Dunbar for that matter) can't develop into starting caliber CBs, then Scandrick will play more and thus trigger the incentives.

That second scenario is not good for the Redskins, don't get me wrong. But if Scandrick is relegated to the slot, as would certainly be considered the team's Plan A, then the price is right.[/quote]

What is Dunbar's contract looking like? Seems like with a LTD he should be a starter

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1191422]What is Dunbar's contract looking like? Seems like with a LTD he should be a starter[/quote]

It's not a big long term deal though. He was clearly signed to be a depth guy. His cap hit is $1.75M for this year. Less than Scandrick.

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In other words, Dunbar's cap hit is the same as Tress Way's.

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[quote=Schneed10;1191424]In other words, Dunbar's cap hit is the same as Tress Way's.[/quote]

ahh ok gotcha

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Thanks Schneed, I knew you'd dive into the cap stuff. :food-smil

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Put it down hard for my dogs that's locked in the Bay, when you hit the bricks new whips, money ain't a thang.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1191418]While OTC has not updated for Orlando Scandrick's deal yet, John Keim did tweet the following:





The original post has been updated using Keim's reported $2.6M on this year's cap. So we're estimating here that the Redskins have $18.9M in cap space currently.

Recommend they pony up for Johnathan Hankins. C'mon Bruce.[/QUOTE]Love it. Pretty smart.
Insurance policy, and if Moreau and Dunbar ball out, Scandick can be cut next year.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1191432]Love it. Pretty smart.
Insurance policy, and if Moreau and Dunbar ball out, Scandick can be cut next year.

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Scandick huh? Sounds convenient when shopping at an adult book store.

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[QUOTE=WillH;1191438]Scandick huh? Sounds convenient when shopping at an adult book store.

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[quote=Schneed10;1191418]While OTC has not updated for Orlando Scandrick's deal yet, John Keim did tweet the following:





The original post has been updated using Keim's reported $2.6M on this year's cap. So we're estimating here that the Redskins have $18.9M in cap space currently.

Recommend they pony up for Johnathan Hankins. C'mon Bruce.[/quote]

I think that BA tried to do similar type deal with JGalette. He retweeted a thread commenting on this point:

the issue is playing time!!
playing time = production
Incentives w/o playing time = not getting incentive $$$..

Thing is we kept him on for two full seasons where he was injured the whole time. I don't think having incentives versus guarantees for a DL with injury history is a crazy ask.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1191447]I think that BA tried to do similar type deal with JGalette. He retweeted a thread commenting on this point:

the issue is playing time!!
playing time = production
Incentives w/o playing time = not getting incentive $$$..

Thing is we kept him on for two full seasons where he was injured the whole time. I don't think having incentives versus guarantees for a DL with injury history is a crazy ask.[/QUOTE]Agreed, I like Gallete but he's being unrealistic, and he pissed me off when he tweeted complaining that Murphy got paid and he didn't.

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It's business. I can't fault Galette for making the case that he deserves more. And I can't fault Allen for protecting the team. Supply and demand will cause them each to adjust their price accordingly until they're happy enough with a deal, or until he's happy with another team's deal.

Same thing with Hankins. If I'm Allen I'm more likely to increase my offer to him than I am for Galette. Allen has a high demand for Hankins services and Hankins is one of the few in the market who can do it so well. Allen will have to come up.

Meanwhile Junior will likely have to come down - two blown achilles plus some off field incidents plus the availability of McPhee make it so.

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Original post updated again to reflect the signing of Pernell McPhee. Awaiting word on contract details. For now, estimating a cap hit of $2.5M.

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McPhee's details came out. He has a cap hit of 1.7M, but it's a 1 year deal. So DL still a major need for youth/draft

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Thanks CRed. Yes, per John Keim the cap hit for Pernell McPhee will be $1.7M in 2018, lower than my estimate of $2.5M.

Also, trading Su'a Cravens clears $0.3M in cap space. We had to eat some dead money, but it's still less than what he would have cost us if he stayed on the roster. Negligible cap impact - the Su'a trade was obviously not cap-motivated. It was a football culture move, clear as day.

Original post updated again to reflect these changes.

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We definitely have space if we see an unexpected cut. If not I think Hankins signs before the draft on a 1 to 2 year deal

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Hankins would prob command what? 5 or 6M a year? I'm sure we will get him if we really want him.

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Give me Breeland and/or Hankins and I'll be very satisfied with our pre-draft off-season.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1191796]Hankins would prob command what? 5 or 6M a year? I'm sure we will get him if we really want him.[/quote]

I think Hankins is getting at least 10M/y, his last contract was 9M/y, 10,5M in the first year.
He had a solid year so why would he get any less? He got cut but for cap reasons it seems (and switching to a 4-3).

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1191799]I think Hankins is getting at least 10M/y, his last contract was 9M/y, 10,5M in the first year.
He had a solid year so why would he get any less? He got cut but for cap reasons it seems (and switching to a 4-3).[/quote]

Idk man, nobody is wanting to sign him right now

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1191799]I think Hankins is getting at least 10M/y, his last contract was 9M/y, 10,5M in the first year.
He had a solid year so why would he get any less? He got cut but for cap reasons it seems (and switching to a 4-3).[/quote]

I think he wants $10 million, however, it appears no one is offering that much. I hope the Redskins can get him for $6 or $7 million.

If not, use the money on Benny Logan. They need a RB, DT, and G in free agency or the first two rounds of the draft.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1191802]I think he wants $10 million, however, it appears no one is offering that much. I hope the Redskins can get him for $6 or $7 million.

If not, use the money on a FA guard. They need a RB, DT, and G in free agency or the first two rounds of the draft.[/quote]

My dream would be Hankins in FA, Guice in 1st round, Will Hernandez in 2nd round. That would be money.

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There's no reason to believe Hankins's value dropped after last year, he had a very good year with the Colts. PFF graded him out well, the Colts said it was a scheme switch and not a performance issue, and teams agree how disruptive he is.

I think he's worth $9M, possibly $10M per season. The Skins will try to get him for less, that's for sure.

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[quote=Schneed10;1191816]There's no reason to believe Hankins's value dropped after last year, he had a very good year with the Colts. PFF graded him out well, the Colts said it was a scheme switch and not a performance issue, and teams agree how disruptive he is.

I think he's worth $9M, possibly $10M per season. The Skins will try to get him for less, that's for sure.[/quote]

What is the most we could actually offer him? And would it prob be a 1 year deal?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1191819]What is the most we could actually offer him? And would it prob be a 1 year deal?[/quote]

It isn't ideal for us to offer one year contract, this will only delay the necessity to fix Dline issue until next year.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1191819]What is the most we could actually offer him? And would it prob be a 1 year deal?[/quote]

As in what could we fit under our salary cap? Are you mathematically challenged?

A one year $13M deal would fit. We have an estimated $17.5M space now, and we have to set aside about $4M for the rookies (maybe a little less, but call it $4M). That leaves $13M for Hankins, if you didn't get any more free agents after that.

But, if you really wanted you could restructure existing contracts like Trent Williams or Ryan Kerrigan to create more space.

Or, and this would be the preferred approach for the Redskins, you would sign Hankins to a longer term deal than a 1-year. Why would you think a 1 year would be the max? They would look to sign him for 3-4 years and backload the deal a bit, spreading the signing bonus out over the length of a longer contract, and keeping the cap hit lower.

There's no reason they couldn't strike a 3 year $30M deal with him and have it count only $6M against this year's cap, if they want.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1191824]As in what could we fit under our salary cap? Are you mathematically challenged?

A one year $13M deal would fit. We have an estimated $17.5M space now, and we have to set aside about $4M for the rookies (maybe a little less, but call it $4M). That leaves $13M for Hankins, if you didn't get any more free agents after that.

But, if you really wanted you could restructure existing contracts like Trent Williams or Ryan Kerrigan to create more space.

Or, and this would be the preferred approach for the Redskins, you would sign Hankins to a longer term deal than a 1-year. Why would you think a 1 year would be the max? They would look to sign him for 3-4 years and backload the deal a bit, spreading the signing bonus out over the length of a longer contract, and keeping the cap hit lower.

There's no reason they couldn't strike a 3 year $30M deal with him and have it count only $6M against this year's cap, if they want.[/QUOTE]No I'm just too lazy to look it all up :) thanks for the into tho. Good stuff

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1191824]As in what could we fit under our salary cap? Are you mathematically challenged?

A one year $13M deal would fit. We have an estimated $17.5M space now, and we have to set aside about $4M for the rookies (maybe a little less, but call it $4M). That leaves $13M for Hankins, if you didn't get any more free agents after that.

But, if you really wanted you could restructure existing contracts like Trent Williams or Ryan Kerrigan to create more space.

Or, and this would be the preferred approach for the Redskins, you would sign Hankins to a longer term deal than a 1-year. Why would you think a 1 year would be the max? They would look to sign him for 3-4 years and backload the deal a bit, spreading the signing bonus out over the length of a longer contract, and keeping the cap hit lower.

There's no reason they couldn't strike a 3 year $30M deal with him and have it count only $6M against this year's cap, if they want.[/QUOTE]You would have to think they offered him something close to what the Colts did, may be more incentivized then that one but he hasn't taken it. At this point it's got to be in Hankins court. No need to bid against ourselves. He seems fairly methodical in his approach to signing so unless another unseen team jumps in he will probably sign with us around the 15th once he and his agent look over the after draft market.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1191806]My dream would be Hankins in FA, Guice in 1st round, Will Hernandez in 2nd round. That would be money.[/quote]

Hernandez won't last until we pick. Picking him in the 1st and your boy Rashaad Penny in the 2nd would work for me. We could use a home run hitter like Penny.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1191832]Hernandez won't last until we pick. Picking him in the 1st and your boy Rashaad Penny in the 2nd would work for me. We could use a home run hitter like Penny.[/quote]

If we get Penny I'd be pumped for our draft no matter who else we got.

If we don't sign anyone else we need to get a RB for sure and a DL or G in 1st 2 rounds.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1191830]You would have to think they offered him something close to what the Colts did, may be more incentivized then that one but he hasn't taken it. At this point it's got to be in Hankins court. No need to bid against ourselves. He seems fairly methodical in his approach to signing so unless another unseen team jumps in he will probably sign with us around the 15th once he and his agent look over the after draft market.[/quote]

1000% agree, this is exactly where I see it going.

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I agree with you all about Hankins negotiation.

Also, JP Finley and Jay Gruden have both said things insinuating that it's unlikely a deal will get done. It's possible and maybe most likely that they're being straight forward, but I've been thinking this could be a negotiation tactic. If he thinks they really feel they'll be good either way, they probably will give a little. It's nice when we have some leverage for a change ain't it?

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[quote=WillH;1191894]I agree with you all about Hankins negotiation.

Also, JP Finley and Jay Gruden have both said things insinuating that it's unlikely a deal will get done. It's possible and maybe most likely that they're being straight forward, but I've been thinking this could be a negotiation tactic. If he thinks they really feel they'll be good either way, they probably will give a little. It's nice when we have some leverage for a change ain't it?

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Yes. It's exactly what he did with Cravens.

"We're not trading Su'a."

Gotta play the game.

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[quote=Schneed10;1191900]Yes. It's exactly what he did with Cravens.

"We're not trading Su'a."

Gotta play the game.[/quote]

Yeah.... Kinda like the Giants with Odell huh?