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CRedskinsRule 11-27-2018 01:14 PM

Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?
 
[quote=MTK;1209719]If this alone doesn't make you love Doug I don't know what will

[URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/09/27/doug-williams-says-adrian-petersons-redskins-visit-caught-daniel-snyder-bruce-allen-off-guard/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cbf1e0267ea9"]Doug Williams says Adrian Peterson’s Redskins visit caught Daniel Snyder and Bruce Allen off guard[/URL][/quote]

Don't know how it makes me feel about DW, but it says DS still needs that buffer guy. The Director of Player Personnel gets pulled into the principal's office because he was doing due diligence in his job. Eff that. If he brings a guy in and he wants to sign him, ok the guy who pays the bills needs to know. But this article makes it sound like DS was upset that he didn't know they were looking at AP. Talk about having to looking over your shoulders all the time. That's not good.

RedskinJake 11-27-2018 04:24 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1209736]Don't know how it makes me feel about DW, but it says DS still needs that buffer guy. The Director of Player Personnel gets pulled into the principal's office because he was doing due diligence in his job. Eff that. If he brings a guy in and he wants to sign him, ok the guy who pays the bills needs to know. But this article makes it sound like DS was upset that he didn't know they were looking at AP. Talk about having to looking over your shoulders all the time. That's not good.[/quote]

This was the thing that bothered me most about that article.. "Bruce has a right to know if I don’t make a move, if I say something, whatever, I’ll tell Bruce. Bruce will tell Dan.”

I've worked under a number of managers throughout my career. Some good, some bad. But 90% of the time when you have a manager who is scared to let you talk to "his" boss without going through him, you have real organizational problems. Good organizations don't operate like that. If you are that high up the food chain but can't speak directly to Dan Snyder without going to Bruce? I don't know.. That doesn't sound like an open communication, team focused, organization.

MTK 11-27-2018 04:32 PM

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Anyone ever heard of chain of command? That’s how it works for me as a federal employee.

I think context is helpful for this article, the way Doug tells the story leaves you with a much different view of the situation.



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skinsfan69 11-27-2018 04:34 PM

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I'm just done w/ Bruce and Jay. Bruce for obvious reasons, Jay because he isn't HC material. Jay should be a position coach . I'm not even all that impressed w/ him as a OC/playcaller.

RedskinJake 11-27-2018 04:40 PM

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[quote=MTK;1209762]Anyone ever heard of chain of command? That’s how it works for me as a federal employee.

I think context is helpful for this article, the way Doug tells the story leaves you with a much different view of the situation.



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Wait.. are you telling me the Federal government is a model of good management? Good open communication, team focused? Come on Matt...

Chico23231 11-27-2018 04:41 PM

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[quote=RedskinJake;1209765]Wait.. are you telling me the Federal government is a model of good management? Good open communication, team focused? Come on Matt...[/quote]

:laughing2

MTK 11-27-2018 04:42 PM

Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?
 
[QUOTE=RedskinJake;1209765]Wait.. are you telling me the Federal government is a model of good management? Good open communication, team focused? Come on Matt...[/QUOTE]



My agency is, can’t speak for the rest




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CRedskinsRule 11-27-2018 04:54 PM

Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?
 
[quote=MTK;1209762]Anyone ever heard of chain of command? That’s how it works for me as a federal employee.

I think context is helpful for this article, the way Doug tells the story leaves you with a much different view of the situation.



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chain of command is a far cry from the 2nd person from the top feeling that he must report all discretionary actions. A courtesy note that they were bringing in a high profile name I get, but " so I had to go to the principal’s office. If that had been my mama back in the day, I knew what would’ve happened in the principal’s office" no that is not chain of command, that is dysfunction.

The real question is whether the BAs role minimizes the dysfunction or amplifies it.

Last I checked DW's role involves trying to put the best pieces together with input from coaching/scouting/etc. Sure you have meetings, notes, briefings, but getting called to the principal's office isn't something that is going to bring in high level GM talent.

MTK 11-27-2018 05:04 PM

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lol sorry I even posted it, like I said when you hear Doug talk about it he was basically laughing about it



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Back2RFK 11-27-2018 05:12 PM

Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?
 
[quote=MTK;1209714][URL="Report: Redskins Rejected $19.5M Cousins Deal in 2016"]Kirk was open to doing a deal in 2016 at $19.5M per[/URL]. The Skins balked. That was a mistake. Imagine having him right now for $19.5M?[/quote]

He is 6-4-1 with the Viking so its not going so smooth for him either. He even has more to work with.

Back2RFK 11-27-2018 05:16 PM

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I'd rather see Bruce go and see how that changes things then Gruden is it does not improve. Instead of dumping the cart and starting over.

MTK 11-27-2018 05:29 PM

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[QUOTE=Back2RFK;1209771]He is 6-4-1 with the Viking so its not going so smooth for him either. He even has more to work with.[/QUOTE]



No running game and until recently an underperforming D




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SolidSnake84 11-27-2018 05:41 PM

Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?
 
[quote=RedskinJake;1209760]This was the thing that bothered me most about that article.. "Bruce has a right to know if I don’t make a move, if I say something, whatever, I’ll tell Bruce. Bruce will tell Dan.”

I've worked under a number of managers throughout my career. Some good, some bad. But 90% of the time when you have a manager who is scared to let you talk to "his" boss without going through him, you have real organizational problems. Good organizations don't operate like that. If you are that high up the food chain but can't speak directly to Dan Snyder without going to Bruce? I don't know.. That doesn't sound like an open communication, team focused, organization.[/quote]

I work for the same company, but up until spring of 2016 i worked in a different department. My ex manager was that way. She would always freak out whenever it sounded like someone was going to go to the department head about something and not tell her first. 9 months after she was made manager, she was terminated. Comes to find out she was hiding many things that weren't being done, and was always terrified that someone would mention it to the director before she could cover her tracks.

CRedskinsRule 11-27-2018 05:46 PM

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[quote=MTK;1209775]No running game and until recently an underperforming D




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sounds like the same complaints we had here with him.

that same team went to the NFC Championship with Case Keenum and KC was supposed to be the missing piece.

He's not. And never will be.

MTK 11-27-2018 06:03 PM

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lol Kirk hate runs deep


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sdskinsfan2001 11-27-2018 06:23 PM

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[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/SXMA699.gif[/IMG]

CRedskinsRule 11-27-2018 06:52 PM

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[quote=MTK;1209790]lol Kirk hate runs deep


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It's not hate. KC just has a certain talent set, pretty damn good, but he has blocks that will keep him and his team from ever getting to a SB.

He will continually be a statistical powerhouse though

skinsfan69 11-27-2018 07:29 PM

Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?
 
[quote=Back2RFK;1209771]He is 6-4-1 with the Viking so its not going so smooth for him either. He even has more to work with.[/quote]

Yep, that's all on Kirk.

skinsfan69 11-27-2018 07:34 PM

Re: Is it time to seriously consider a replacement at HC?
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;1209784]sounds like the same complaints we had here with him.

that same team went to the NFC Championship with Case Keenum and KC was supposed to be the missing piece.

He's not. And never will be.[/quote]

Totally different dynamics from year to year. It's painfully obvious Cousins is the better player. Keenum is a journeymen lower tier starter. Kirk is next level down from the elite starters.


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