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[quote=httr198020;1224884]Checkdown Alex is garbage. He needs to retire. We need to do everything we can to get him off of our books. We must release him as soon as possible.[/quote]


Unfortunately, the cap hits will be enormous

2019 - 42 million
2020 - 32 million
2021 - 10.8 million

[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/cap/[/url]

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[quote=GridIron26;1224875]I am not against Smith coming back, in fact, I probably would want to do same thing if I was him. I am just saying that I don't see how this will work out for Smith and Redskins since we drafted Haskins. Only scenario I can see where Smith returns to Redskins is if he accepts mentor/back-up role.[/quote]

I'm thinking the same way as you...with McCoy, Keenum, and Haskins the QB position became a bit crowded....the only other two ways out of this situation would be if the Redskins either trade Smith or release him.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1224893]I'm thinking the same way as you...with McCoy, Keenum, and Haskins the QB position became a bit crowded....the only other two ways out of this situation would be if the Redskins either[B] trade[/B] Smith or release him.[/quote]

[U]Trade Smith[/U]?! Trust me on this one, no team is going to trade for Smith for several reasons that should be obvious.

Also, how would the QB position become crowded if Smith were to come back? The reality is that McCoy and Keenum are not NFL starter quality players and Haskins is an unproven rookie.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1224888]Unfortunately, the cap hits will be enormous

2019 - 42 million
2020 - 32 million
2021 - 10.8 million

[URL]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/cap/[/URL][/quote]

Most likely scenario is to release him next year as a designated June 1 cut

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He will not play again, he has to say "I hope to play again" of course he says that eating up millions to rehab, we all knew he wouldn't retire and walk away from that payday.

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Because the skins took out an insurance policy on Smith, if he is never medically cleared to play again, they get a 12M cap credit.

If Smith wants to keep playing, that's his right to do so, but given his age, the severity of the injury, the fact that the skins have already signed his long-term replacement relegating him to being a backup, and the amount of guaranteed money he still has from the deal... it would seem to be in his long-term physical and financial best interests to simply not play football again.

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[quote=calia;1224885]I think httr stands for hater. Seriously, dude, referring to the man as “garbage” is just wrong. There aren’t two categories of QB - elite and garbage. Smith has had a nice career and had us up two games in the NFCE when hurt. Give the man a little respect.


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I'm just being completely honest. Check down Alex reminds me of Mark Brunell. Just as sorry excuse for a NFL qb. I'm not saying he hasn't had a good career. But he was never going to take this team anywhere. He has a weak ass arm, no accuracy, and overrated mobility. I'm not saying that it's all his fault the offense was crap, because in my opinion Jay Gruden below average play calling help contribute to that. All I'm saying is that Check down Alex is a below average qb.

[quote=Irrefutable;1224888]Unfortunately, the cap hits will be enormous

2019 - 42 million
2020 - 32 million
2021 - 10.8 million

[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/cap/[/url][/quote]

Do you anyone really thinks Check down Alex is worth this type of money? Only a complete buffoon would paid this bum 42 million in one season. I remember when we traded for him. I told my uncle that Check down Alex sucks and Andy Reid was going to get over on us again. One year later I look like a goddamn genius.

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1224900]Because the skins took out an insurance policy on Smith, if he is never medically cleared to play again, they get a 12M cap credit.

If Smith wants to keep playing, that's his right to do so, but given his age, the severity of the injury, the fact that the skins have already signed his long-term replacement relegating him to being a backup, and the amount of guaranteed money he still has from the deal... it would seem to be in his long-term physical and financial best interests to simply not play football again.[/quote]

I agree with everything you said. He should never play football again mainly because he's horrible.

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[quote=httr198020;1224922]Do you anyone really thinks Check down Alex is worth this type of money? Only a complete buffoon would paid this bum 42 million in one season. I remember when we traded for him. I told my uncle that Check down Alex sucks and Andy Reid was going to get over on us again. One year later I look like a goddamn genius..[/quote]

It does not matter if we think Smith is worth the money - Smith and Redskins agreed to the contract and there is no way for Redskins to back out from the contract unless Smith retires. Therefore, we must account the money for Smith until his contract expires or Smith retires.

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[quote=httr198020;1224922]I'm just being completely honest. Check down Alex reminds me of Mark Brunell. [B]Just as sorry excuse for a NFL qb. I'm not saying he hasn't had a good career.[/B] But he was never going to take this team anywhere. He has a weak ass arm, no accuracy, and overrated mobility. I'm not saying that it's all his fault the offense was crap, because in my opinion Jay Gruden below average play calling help contribute to that. All I'm saying is that Check down Alex is a below average qb.

Do you anyone really thinks Check down Alex is worth this type of money? Only a complete buffoon would paid this bum 42 million in one season. I remember when we traded for him. I told my uncle that Check down Alex sucks and Andy Reid was going to get over on us again. [B]One year later I look like a goddamn genius.[/B]

I agree with everything you said. He should never play football again mainly because [B]he's horrible[/B].[/quote]

The first two statements in bold are in contradiction. And he's not a below average QB -- what matters most is wins, and by that measure, he's well above average. It's simply not possible to credibly contend otherwise.

On your prediction and IQ, you flatter yourself. I seriously doubt you predicted he'd have a grisly, career-threatening injury that would have these cap implications. If you have those kinds of prognosticatory skills, you shouldn't waste them on football. I suspect your uncle would give you the same advice. Perhaps you might consider following it.

Again, horrible is really not a fair characterization. But by all means, double down on your rant.

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[quote=GridIron26;1224923]It does not matter if we think Smith is worth the money - Smith and Redskins agreed to the contract and there is no way for Redskins to back out from the contract unless Smith retires. Therefore, we must account the money for Smith until his contract expires or Smith retires.[/quote]

I know that! It's damn shame our front office was stupid enough to sign this weak arm, mediocre qb to all that money.

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[quote=httr198020;1224930]I know that! It's damn shame our front office was stupid enough to sign this weak arm, mediocre qb to all that money.[/quote]

No matter how much you hate him, you are what your record says you are and Alex Smith is a winner and above average. He even managed to win over half his games playing for poorly coached 49er teams that lacked talent. Just look at his year to year stats compared to the rest of the league. He had seasons with double digit wins for two franchises and was on his way to doing it with the Redskins until he was injured. What is the real issue, did Alex steal your girlfriend in High School or something?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1224940]No matter how much you hate him, you are what your record says you are and Alex Smith is a winner and above average. He even managed to win over half his games playing for poorly coached 49er teams that lacked talent. Just look at his year to year stats compared to the rest of the league. He had seasons with double digit wins for two franchises and was on his way to doing it with the Redskins until he was injured. What is the real issue, did Alex steal your girlfriend in High School or something?[/quote]

You being a little dramatic BB. I don't hate the guy. I just see him for the bum that he is. For the record, the 49ers team that he played for was stacked with talent. They were poorly coached but they definitely had great talent on both sides of the ball. He sucked for the first six years of his career. He didn't start winning until Jim Harbaugh came to San Francisco. After a few years he was replaced. He went to play under Andy Reid who is one of the best coaches in NFL history. He was replaced in KC. If he's such a great qb why does he keep getting replaced? You got qbs like Trent Dilfer who won a Superbowl. Does that make him better than Dan Marino or Philip Rivers? He had a winning record because he played on great teams. As a qb he's below average.

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[quote=httr198020;1224957]You being a little dramatic BB. I don't hate the guy. I just see him for the bum that he is. For the record, the 49ers team that he played for was stacked with talent. They were poorly coached but they definitely had great talent on both sides of the ball. He sucked for the first six years of his career. He didn't start winning until Jim Harbaugh came to San Francisco. After a few years he was replaced. He went to play under Andy Reid who is one of the best coaches in NFL history. He was replaced in KC. If he's such a great qb why does he keep getting replaced? You got qbs like Trent Dilfer who won a Superbowl. Does that make him better than Dan Marino or Philip Rivers? He had a winning record because he played on great teams. As a qb he's below average.[/quote]

So were we a great team when he had us at 6-2? I can agree he's not a great qb, but he's a damn step better than average.

Pretty sure we would have had a solid shot at the playoffs if he hadn't gone on IR, but that's purely hypothetical at this point.

He isn't great, but he rarely made bonehead plays or put the defense at a disadvantaged starting position. That alone makes him above other QB's that we've had recently

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[quote]He isn't great, but he rarely made bonehead plays or put the defense at a disadvantaged starting position. That alone makes him above other QB's that we've had recently [/quote]

I think he's great anyway then

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[quote=MTK;1224861]If Smith wants to push to come back I say good for him and I wish him well. I don’t know why some want to kick dirt on him and say he should move on. That’s his decision to make.


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This is why I started this discussion....despite people saying he will never play again he has aspirations to play again...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1224985]So were we a great team when he had us at 6-2? I can agree he's not a great qb, but he's a damn step better than average.

Pretty sure we would have had a solid shot at the playoffs if he hadn't gone on IR, but that's purely hypothetical at this point.

He isn't great, but he rarely made bonehead plays or put the defense at a disadvantaged starting position. That alone makes him above other QB's that we've had recently[/quote]

Our team was playing great defense over the first eight games. Our offense could barely move the ball. To make the argument that we were 6-2 because of check down Alex is blatantly false. That bum was below average throughout the season.

We wasn't going to the playoffs because our defense fell apart. We sucked and you know it.

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1225133]Our team was playing great defense over the first eight games. Our offense could barely move the ball. To make the argument that we were 6-2 because of check down Alex is blatantly false. That bum was below average throughout the season.



We wasn't going to the playoffs because our defense fell apart. We sucked and you know it.[/QUOTE]Part of the teams great defense was solid competent mistake free qb play. Thats a fact and that was Alex Smith

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1225133]Our team was playing great defense over the first eight games. Our offense could barely move the ball. To make the argument that we were 6-2 because of check down Alex is blatantly false. That bum was below average throughout the season.



We wasn't going to the playoffs because our defense fell apart. We sucked and you know it.[/QUOTE]The defense was a little over hyped near the beginning of the year because of the record.

The Tampa, Atlanta, and NO games really exposed them.

It's probably more accurate to say they were really good against run first teams who lacked a dynamic passing attack.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1225134]Part of the teams great defense was solid competent mistake free qb play. Thats a fact and that was Alex Smith

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk[/quote] That is not a fact. That is your misguided, delusional opinion. A qbs job is the move the ball and put points on the board. He sucked at doing that. Anyone can avoid throwing intercept if you're not taking any chances.

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I thought the QB's job was to win games, something Smith has done quite a bit of (96-71-1).

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What is the point to be so angry and mad about Alex? He is injured, he won't be playing this year, and likely not ever again (at least here).

If I spent so much time angry at past stuff this team or its players did that I did not like, my head would explode.

Let it go and move on. We even got a potential young franchise QB out of it.

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[quote=MTK;1225198]I thought the QB's job was to win games, something Smith has done quite a bit of (96-71-1).[/quote]
Why does he have a winning record? It's not because of him. It's because of the teams he played on and you know it. If he was so good why did he get released by both San Fran and KC?

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1225200]What is the point to be so angry and mad about Alex? He is injured, he won't be playing this year, and likely not ever again (at least here).

If I spent so much time angry at past stuff this team or its players did that I did not like, my head would explode.

Let it go and move on. We even got a potential young franchise QB out of it.[/quote]

I'm not angry with check down Alex. I'm angry with the people who brought him here. I knew he was pure garbage from the very beginning. I'm very happy that he'll never play for us again.

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[quote=httr198020;1225207]Why does he have a winning record? It's not because of him. It's because of the teams he played on and you know it.[B] If he was so good why did he get released by both San Fran and KC?
[/B]


I'm not angry with check down Alex. I'm angry with the people who brought him here. I knew he was pure garbage from the very beginning. I'm very happy that he'll never play for us again.[/quote]

Alex lost his job because of a concussion in SF, Coach Harbaugh saw Kaepernick as having more upside and stayed with him. Maybe you didn't notice, but the guy who took his job ended up being benched for Blaine Gabbert. He was figured out as fool's gold just like RG3.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1225209]Alex lost his job because of a concussion in SF, Coach Harbaugh saw Kaepernick as having more upside and stayed with him. Maybe you didn't notice, but the guy who took his job ended up being benched for Blaine Gabbert. He was figured out as fool's gold just like RG3.[/quote]Check down Alex lost his job because he wasn't all that good. Colin "Strictly Zone Read" Kaepernick took his job become of performance. If Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers got hit with a concussion today or tomorrow they would still be welcomed back with open arms. Check down Alex was let go. KC released him after a career year. The very next year Patrick MaHomes showed the world that the KC offense is three times as good without check down Alex. Just face it! We spent tens of millions of dollars for an average at best qb.

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I seriously doubt if Alex Smith will ever play another game in the NFL. This year he recovers and coaches up Dwayne Haskins. Next season Dwayne will be the starter one way or another, which means Alex - if he fully recovers will be the backup or third string QB. There is little incentive for Alex to further risk his health playing in the NFL - he gets paid regardless. Thank you Bruce, for this ridiculous contract for a QB who was 35.

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[quote=Warthog;1225219]I seriously doubt if Alex Smith will ever play another game in the NFL. This year he recovers and coaches up Dwayne Haskins. Next season Dwayne will be the starter one way or another, which means Alex - if he fully recovers will be the backup or third string QB. There is little incentive for Alex to further risk his health playing in the NFL - he gets paid regardless. [B]Thank you Bruce, for this ridiculous contract for a QB who was 35.[/B][/quote]

You hit the nail on the head. To me, it was never about Alex but it was always about the shocking huge contract the Skins offered him just when we were about to benefit from the huge cap relief gained by Cousins leaving.

We needed a veteran QB as a stopgap until we could draft and develop a promising young QB to take over the reins but that stopgap QB didn't need to be Alex Smith and the contract with whomever we signed should have been reasonable.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1225224]You hit the nail on the head. To me, it was never about Alex but it was always about the shocking huge contract the Skins offered him just when we were about to benefit from the huge cap relief gained by Cousins leaving.

We needed a veteran QB as a stopgap until we could draft and develop a promising young QB to take over the reins but that stopgap QB didn't need to be Alex Smith and the contract with whomever we signed should have been reasonable.[/quote]

And there are QBs older than Smith in the league who are starters....namely Phillip Rivers, Ben Rothlisberger, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady.....so I would think Alex's age is insignificant.....

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1225289]And there are QBs older than Smith in the league who are starters....namely Phillip Rivers, Ben Rothlisberger, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady.....so I would think Alex's age is insignificant.....[/quote]

And QBs are always going to be overpaid, hence why an above average QB like Cousins, who puts up gaudy but sometimes insignificant numbers, gets a fully guaranteed contract.

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I think the guys complaining about Alex's contract haven't kept up on the escalating QB salaries. His contract was not excessive for even someone who was average and Alex is above average.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1225299]I think the guys complaining about Alex's contract haven't kept up on the escalating QB salaries. His contract was not excessive for even someone who was average and Alex is above average.[/quote]

I think ppl are upset because Alex should have been a stopgap contract until we drafted a franchise QB. Now we have Haskins as that potential franchise QB and we'll have Alex Smith as the most highly paid backup QB in the NFL.

We paid Alex so much because Bruce Allen panicked after mismanaging the Cousins deal. He had no backup plan to Cousins if he went elsewhere. So he looked at Smith's record and hired him based on those wins - which were because he played for [I]very good[/I] teams. Even if Alex had stayed healthy last year, teams were getting the measure of him and we wouldn't have won many more games after a good start.

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Smith probably wouldn't have agreed to a "stopgap contract". Nobody could have predicted he would suffer a catastrophic injury. It sucks for both sides. No use in crying about it now.

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On a positive note, he got to take that contraption off of his leg. Big step. Keep getting better dude.

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[quote=MTK;1225371]Smith probably wouldn't have agreed to a "stopgap contract". Nobody could have predicted he would suffer a catastrophic injury. It sucks for both sides. No use in crying about it now.[/quote]

Alex hasn't been an injury-prone QB. He may have not agreed to a 1-2 year deal, why should he? But Bruce signed a 35-year old QB for a 5-year contract, based on his wins, which he got by playing a "no mistakes" brand of football for [I]very good[/I] teams.

Allen should have sucked it up with a one-year QB until we could draft for a franchise QB. I'm not blaming Alex smith, he got the most that he could and unfortunately got hurt. I'm blaming Bruce Allen for making a dumb personnel move that will cost the 'skins lots of cap money.

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[quote=Warthog;1225424]Alex hasn't been an injury-prone QB. He may have not agreed to a 1-2 year deal, why should he? But Bruce signed a 35-year old QB for a 5-year contract, based on his wins, which he got by playing a "no mistakes" brand of football for [I]very good[/I] teams.

Allen should have sucked it up with a one-year QB until we could draft for a franchise QB. I'm not blaming Alex smith, he got the most that he could and unfortunately got hurt. I'm blaming Bruce Allen for making a dumb personnel move that will cost the 'skins lots of cap money.[/quote]

Unless you have the foresight of knowing that he was going to have a season/potentially career ending injury, I don't get about the complaints about Smith's contract. People would have gone ape shit here, if they'd sign Keenum last year as a stop gap. QBs are always overpaid, and even a stopgap QB would have cost money.

Also, the team was winning with Alex's "no mistakes" brand of football. Not the way people liked it, but they were winning. And things would have been a hell of a lot better, had Alex stayed healthy.

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[B][/B][quote=Ruhskins;1225444]Unless you have the foresight of knowing that he was going to have a season/potentially career ending injury, I don't get about the complaints about Smith's contract. People would have gone ape shit here, if they'd sign Keenum last year as a stop gap. QBs are always overpaid, and even a stopgap QB would have cost money.

Also, the team was winning with Alex's "no mistakes" brand of football. Not the way people liked it, but they were winning. And things would have been a hell of a lot better, had Alex stayed healthy.[/quote]

The Redskins were winning with Smith in very close games last year - games which could have gone either way based on just one or two plays. I think our opponents were starting get the measure of Smith - what he could do well and also what he could NOT do and were changing their defenses based on his style of play. The defenses were really starting to shut him down. IF he had stayed healthy last season, I don't think we would have won many more games.

Alex Smith's style of play can help a very good team win games. But those very good teams [I]let him go[/I] because his upside is so very limited. If he was a real franchise QB, his former teams wouldn't have dumped him. Bruce Allen mismanaged Kirk Cousins (who we should have let go) and then paid a top salary on a long contract to an aging QB who is decent but not the future QB of this team.

If smith hadn't been hurt, [I][I]which no one could predict[/I][/I], I think we would have seen why other teams dumped him. He's going to be a cap black hole and will never play a regular-season game for the Redskins.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1225444]Unless you have the foresight of knowing that he was going to have a season/potentially career ending injury, I don't get about the complaints about Smith's contract. People would have gone ape shit here, if they'd sign Keenum last year as a stop gap. QBs are always overpaid, and even a stopgap QB would have cost money.

Also, the team was winning with Alex's "no mistakes" brand of football. Not the way people liked it, but they were winning. And things would have been a hell of a lot better, had Alex stayed healthy.[/quote]

My complaint:

1.Very average QB coming off career year with an offensive guru.
2. Was 33 turning 34 in May when we got him
3. Too long of a contract
4. Decision maker was Bruce Allen, an extensive history of poor handling of the QB position

In terms of Alex season, AP was the MVP, Smith was a benefactor of his success. Plus they were peaking as an offense. Smith was having another garbage game when he got hurt.

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[quote=Chico23231;1225477]My complaint:

1.Very average QB coming off career year with an offensive guru.
2. Was 33 turning 34 in May when we got him
3. Too long of a contract
4. Decision maker was Bruce Allen, an extensive history of poor handling of the QB position

In terms of Alex season, AP was the MVP, Smith was a benefactor of his success. Plus they were peaking as an offense. Smith was having another garbage game when he got hurt.[/quote]

You're so right! Bruce, hired an aging, VERY AVERAGE QB for a long contract. Why? In the NFL you need an elite, franchise QB to win consistently, season after season. The truth is that Bruce Allen is happy to be average. Only with a potential franchise QB, like Haskins, can this team move up the ladder to the next level.

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[quote=Warthog;1225479]You're so right! Bruce, hired an aging, VERY AVERAGE QB for a long contract. Why? In the NFL you need an elite, franchise QB to win consistently, season after season. The truth is that Bruce Allen is happy to be average. Only with a potential franchise QB, like Haskins, can this team move up the ladder to the next level.[/quote]

Yeah...kinda tired of talking Alex. It didn’t work out.

I’m interested to see how Keenum does in this offense and the development of Haskins. Completely moved on

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[quote=Chico23231;1225480]Yeah...kinda tired of talking Alex. It didn’t work out.

I’m interested to see how Keenum does in this offense and the development of Haskins. Completely moved on[/quote]

Yeah, we've had [I][B]so[/B][/I] many average, journeyman, bums or draft bust QB's since the last SB. I'm looking for Haskins to give us the long-term franchise answer at QB. Case Keenum hasn't done it on any other team and won't do it here. But I'll give him a chance in
the pre-season.

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So Dak wants 30M a year but as I've said since day 1, he's Alex Smith 2.0.

Here are the numbers as of today..

% YPA NET TD/INT
Dak Prescott - 66.1 7.4 6.4 2.68
Alex Smith - 66.1 7.4 6.6 2.83