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I think one factor that needs to be considered regarding a “mid- season” firing of Gruden, is the owner Dan Snyder. Snyder is one of the worst owners in the NFL, but I think he IS SENSITIVE to the media. If he fires Gruden mid-season, he risks looking AGAIN like the same old “trigger finger” Danny. A reputation that was well earned early as owner when he fired Marty “Schotty” after a single, 8-8 season as HC. If Snyder fires Gruden before the end of the season, he just reinforces the crappy reputation he and this franchise have built in the NFL over two decades.

So I wonder, has Dan Snyder learned ANYTHING in 20 years? I’d say he’s learned “ a little” and won’t make any really rash moves (like firing mid-season), simply because he’s been pummeled in the media for doing it before.

On the other hand, unless the team goes 8-8 or better he will fire Gruden at the end of the season. You can’t keep a head coach who can’t win after six seasons.


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Gruden lasts the season and if he can somehow "click" with Haskins then he might even get an extension. Yesterday wasn't Gruden's fault, it was Manusky's.

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[quote=irish;1229254]Gruden lasts the season and if he can somehow "click" with Haskins then he might even get an extension. Yesterday wasn't Gruden's fault, it was Manusky's.[/quote]

Gruden has hired two bum d coordinators. He has had the opportunity to hire better people and hasn't so as far as I'm concerned the defense is his fault.

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Anyone who thinks a special teams player is more important than Adrian Peterson should be fired immediately. Peterson would have helped yesterday.

Typical Gruden BS

Peterson will play if the game plan has 55 carries for the running backs

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[quote=Warthog;1229247]I think one factor that needs to be considered regarding a “mid- season” firing of Gruden, is the owner Dan Snyder. Snyder is one of the worst owners in the NFL, but I think he IS SENSITIVE to the media. If he fires Gruden mid-season, he risks looking AGAIN like the same old “trigger finger” Danny. A reputation that was well earned early as owner when he fired Marty “Schotty” after a single, 8-8 season as HC. If Snyder fires Gruden before the end of the season, he just reinforces the crappy reputation he and this franchise have built in the NFL over two decades.

So I wonder, has Dan Snyder learned ANYTHING in 20 years? I’d say he’s learned “ a little” and won’t make any really rash moves (like firing mid-season), simply because he’s been pummeled in the media for doing it before.

On the other hand, unless the team goes 8-8 or better he will fire Gruden at the end of the season. You can’t keep a head coach who can’t win after six seasons.


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He didn't fire Marty because he went 8-8, he fired him because the Ol Ball Coach decided to leave Florida and was available. At the time there was no coach DS wanted more than Spurrier so when he became available DS leapt at his chance to sign him even if that meant firing Marty. If you remember, Spurrier hinted at leaving Florida at the end of the previous season but decided to stay. Had he left then DS never would have hired Marty in the first place.

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[QUOTE=irish;1229254]Gruden lasts the season and if he can somehow "click" with Haskins then he might even get an extension. Yesterday wasn't Gruden's fault, it was Manusky's.[/QUOTE]



Bullshit. The defense was completely gassed. The offense couldn’t sustain drives. Countless 3 and outs, and kept putting the defense in a bad spot. That’s on Gruden Taking his foot off the gas, bad play calling, and not making halftime adjustments


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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1229264]Bullshit. The defense was completely gassed. The offense couldn’t sustain drives. Countless 3 and outs, and kept putting the defense in a bad spot. That’s on Gruden Taking his foot off the gas, bad play calling, and not making halftime adjustments


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Yea. Doc Walker always asks, why doesn't our D make them go three and out?

Total team loss imo.

So sick and tired of this BS run scheme.

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The silver lining here is that the more collapses we see, and the worst season is the higher the chance Bruce Alan and Jay Gruden finally get fired


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Honestly the Skins didn't play a bad game. Yeah I understand you guys are upset but the Eagles are a good team and it's only game one . The defense was on the field way to long , I thought the young wide outs you have looked very good.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1229269]Honestly the Skins didn't play a bad game. Yeah I understand you guys are upset but the Eagles are a good team and it's only game one . The defense was on the field way to long , I thought the young wide outs you have looked very good.[/QUOTE]



The biggest problem we’ve had throughout Gruden’s tenure is second-half Collapses. You can’t blame that on the players, because the players have changed multiple times, and the offensive personnel has Turned over multiple times. We’ve also seen different offensive coordinators come and go.The only common denominator is Jay Gruden


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[quote=5superbowls3wins;1229264]Bullshit. The defense was completely gassed. The offense couldn’t sustain drives. Countless 3 and outs, and kept putting the defense in a bad spot. That’s on Gruden Taking his foot off the gas, bad play calling, and not making halftime adjustments


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Was the defense gassed coming out of halftime? Seems to me they should have been fully rested. Eagles basically ran them over on the drive out of halftime.

Also I think Gruden was trying to score but when the line gets consistantly called for penalties then not sure what he can do about that. Also he did call some deep shots, Case overthrew a td so he was trying to score.

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I heard Jay talking about AP and he'll get in the game if we run 50 some I formations. My response to Jay would be to watch the Patriots. Particularly the SB run where they ran tons of I formations w/ Devlin at fullback. They seem to run the ball real well out of basic I formations. You had 30 yard yesterday. Dummy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1229273]Was the defense gassed coming out of halftime? Seems to me they should have been fully rested. Eagles basically ran them over on the drive out of halftime.

Also I think Gruden was trying to score but when the line gets consistantly called for penalties then not sure what he can do about that. Also he did call some deep shots, Case overthrew a td so he was trying to score.[/quote]

No. DJax commented that he told his team mates to keep fighting because he knew the redskins would feel like they had the game locked up at 17-0 and not come out with any fight.

Jay Gruden is "go along to get along." he's too easy-going and has no fight in him and that lazy attitude has clearly infected the rest of the locker room.

We will never win as long as Jay Gruden is our head coach. And we'll never attract a quality head coach to our team as long as Bruce Allen is in charge.

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Jonathan Allen and Caleb Brantley went down and that left Settle, Payne and Ioannidis to pretty much play the entire rest of the game. They wilted.

But we also didn't succeed with running the ball, especially in the second half. We needed to sustain drives better to give them a rest.

And the defense got no pass rush.

It was a total team loss. But to a superior opponent. The Eagles are very good, as much as it sucks to acknowledge it. That deep threat in Jackson takes them to another level.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1229275]No. DJax commented that he told his team mates to keep fighting because he knew the redskins would feel like they had the game locked up at 17-0 and not come out with any fight.



Jay Gruden is "go along to get along." he's too easy-going and has no fight in him and that lazy attitude has clearly infected the rest of the locker room.



We will never win as long as Jay Gruden is our head coach. And we'll never attract a quality head coach to our team as long as Bruce Allen is in charge.[/QUOTE]



Exactly. Jay Gruden inspires NO ONE


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The first ten plays of the second half, there were 5 penalties. A huge drop by Richardson for a first down on the heels of a missed TD to T Mac.

Execution folks.

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It's not about the Eagles game for me. I've been done with Gruden for a long time. Deep down, I think we all know that he isn't going to get us where we want to be. I'm ready for a complete rebuild with a new HC.

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Morgan Moses calls out Jay bahaha

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Desean Jackson has some thoughts on Gruden:

"We came out and started off slow and struggled, but not one moment in that game I didn’t think we were going to come out and win that game. I kept stressing to the boys when we came in the locker room that I have been over there before in that locker room and I know how they are," Jackson said of the Redskins. "I just stressed to my teammates that I felt that at halftime, they probably thought they had the game sealed and won."

Jackson, remember, played with the Redskins for three seasons from 2014 to 2016 and Jay Gruden was the head coach. Jackson really does know the Redskins locker room because he was a big part of it. And the speedster explained he wasn't trying to take a shot at his old coach or teammates, but was just explaining the reality of a big halftime lead in Washington.

"We just knew that coming into the locker room that it is just a mentality thing. My past five-six years being gone is what I miss, that being part of a team and organization that is just known for winning," Jackson said.

"Regardless of the score and how many points you are down, there is always a chance you can win the game. Being in that locker room, I just know how they are, not saying anything bad about them, that is just how they are.”

As damaging as Jackson's play Sunday was to the Redskins, and he torched the Redskins with eight catches for 154 yards and two touchdowns, his postgame comments might be more dire.

Jackson played for the Redskins a few seasons ago, and it's clear he doesn't think that the organization was known for winning. And as hard as it is to hear for many, he's right. Washington hasn't made the playoffs in the last three seasons, and only has two playoff games in the last decade. The Redskins haven't won a playoff game since 2005. As much as the Redskins have a proud history, with shiny Super Bowl trophies and Hall of Fame players, consistent success hasn't been the case in Washington for more than two decades.

So when Jackson says "I just know how they are, not saying anything bad about them, that is just how they are," he's not trying to take a shot. He's just telling the truth.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1229284]Morgan Moses calls out Jay bahaha[/quote]

Moses should be ripping himself, he sucks!!

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Read this somewhere: If The Redskins do not make the playoffs this year it will be the fourth year in a row with no playoffs.
That usually gets people fired.
Yesterday was the same poorly coached team with talent we have seen the last handful of years under Gruden coached teams. No brilliant coaching, no balance in play calling, no creative adjustments to counter the other teams adjustments. The other team adjusts and we do not.
Manusky is terrible. One of the worst Defensive Coordinators we have ever had.
The players that lost their jobs last year to voice against Manusky we’re right.
But single biggest coaching failure is deactivating Adrian Peterson, going up by 17 or 20 points and only rushing the ball 13 times for 38 yards. Guice averaged 1.8 yards a carry.
Can someone tell me why AP was inactive?

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[quote=Defensewins;1229288]Read this somewhere: If The Redskins do not make the playoffs this year it will be the fourth year in a row with no playoffs.
That usually gets people fired.
Yesterday was the same poorly coached team with talent we have seen the last handful of years under Gruden coached teams. No brilliant coaching, no creative adjustments to counter the other teams adjustments. The other team adjusts and we do not.
Manusky is terrible. One of the worst Defensive Coordinators we have ever had.
The players that lost their jobs last year to voice against Manusky we’re right.
But single biggest coaching failure is deactivating Adrian Peterson, going up by 17 or 20 points and only rushing the ball 13 times for 38 yards. Guice averaged 1.8 yards a carry.
Can someone tell me why AP was inactive?[/quote]

AP was the 5th or 6th in rushing yards last year...its fucking criminal. AP should have been given a chance to run against the Eagles, because Guice wasn't getting it done.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1229256]Anyone who thinks a special teams player is more important than Adrian Peterson should be fired immediately. Peterson would have helped yesterday.



Typical Gruden BS



Peterson will play if the game plan has 55 carries for the running backs[/QUOTE]



Few people on this board that would have “how dare you question J” before the game yesterday. Said it than and ill say it now. Was there one other active player less valuable than AP? Ummm. Fuck yes.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1229269]Honestly the Skins didn't play a bad game. Yeah I understand you guys are upset but the Eagles are a good team and it's only game one . The defense was on the field way to long , I thought the young wide outs you have looked very good.[/QUOTE]



Correction we didn’t play a bad game until we had a 17 point lead. Than we played the worst game possible. Our last td was garbage time. They whooped our asses 32-3 after spotting us 17 points. Total nonsense. Gruden is soft as fuck and so is Manusky.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1229284]Morgan Moses calls out Jay bahaha[/quote]


Someone needs to tell Moses to stop holding.
Big mouth always making excuses about the league having grudges.
He is killing this team with his penalties.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1229293]Few people on this board that would have “how dare you question J” before the game yesterday. Said it than and ill say it now. Was there one other active player less valuable than AP? Ummm. Fuck yes.[/QUOTE]


I honestly wish they would cut him and move on.


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[quote=Defensewins;1229288]Read this somewhere: If The Redskins do not make the playoffs this year it will be the fourth year in a row with no playoffs.
That usually gets people fired.
Yesterday was the same poorly coached team with talent we have seen the last handful of years under Gruden coached teams. No brilliant coaching, no balance in play calling, no creative adjustments to counter the other teams adjustments. The other team adjusts and we do not.
Manusky is terrible. One of the worst Defensive Coordinators we have ever had.
The players that lost their jobs last year to voice against Manusky we’re right.
But single biggest coaching failure is deactivating Adrian Peterson, going up by 17 or 20 points and only rushing the ball 13 times for 38 yards. Guice averaged 1.8 yards a carry.
Can someone tell me why AP was inactive?[/quote]I have one big problem with Gruden/Manusky - there is NO ACCOUNTABILITY for missed assignments. No question that both Jackson TD's involved someone blowing the coverage. Norman had no safety help on the first and Nicholson was the only defender deep with 2 Philly receivers running free on the second. Guys who won't play their assignment need to be benched. DO YOUR JOB!!!

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1229275]We will never win as long as Jay Gruden is our head coach. And we'll never attract a quality head coach to our team as long as Bruce Allen is in charge.[/QUOTE]


This is why the subject of replacing Gruden is kind of pointless. The Snyder-Allen-Any Coach dynamic has a built in performance ceiling of about 9 wins. A higher caliber HC would clash with Allen, and a higher caliber Prez/GM would clash with Snyder.

When the Snyder era is over (yes, it will end one day), it may be turn out that Gruden represents the most successful coaching stint of all in terms of stability and functionality. That’s not saying much, I know. It’s just that I don’t have much hope for Jay’s successor, certainly not if it’s a rash mid-season move.

But to look for a ray of hope, here’s where I see it: We have another good draft class in 2020, Haskins develops this year into the QB we think he is, and an up-and-coming assistant coach (internal or not) sees the potential to make his bones with this group. Snyder hires him thinking wistfully of Sean McVay. Bruce thinks to himself, he’s a kid, I can handle him. We start winning a few games and a new power center emerges based around the new coach, Haskins, and new coordinators. BA is then shown up to be the fraud that he is and is either made irrelevant (Dan still needs a buddy) or fired.

That still leaves Snyder, but if we’re winning in spite of him, maybe he’ll go off and find more trees to cut down or old ladies to sue. A guy can dream.

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[quote=MTK;1229303]I honestly wish they would cut him and move on.


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If you mean Jay Gruden then I agree with you. Otherwise, no.

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/morgan-moses-benching-adrian-peterson-slap-face[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1229308][url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/morgan-moses-benching-adrian-peterson-slap-face[/url][/quote]

Moses leading the league last year in penalties and having drive killing penalties yesterday is a slap in the face. This mf'er needs to STFU and focus on his own play.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1229308][url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/morgan-moses-benching-adrian-peterson-slap-face[/url][/quote]

Morgan Moses is right. Sitting AP just before the first game of the season should be enough to prove to anyone that Jay Gruden knows nothing about leading men.

Gruden must go.

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Morgan Moses' terrible play was also a slap in the face.

As to benching AP, yes, i agree it has the appearance of disrespect, but if the team is committed to seeing what Guice can do, then having a 4th RB active on the roster that doesn't play special teams doesn't make much sense. Peterson needs to get a heavy workload to be effective, so his value to this team only exists if he's the starter. And, due to similar playing styles and roster limitations, it doesn't make sense to have both Guice and AP active.

Which is probably why wanted to let AP go before the season, but Allen overruled him. So we have a situation where the Team President is not letting Gruden control his final 53 man roster. If someone has an issue with Gruden benching AP, then they are essentially saying that Gruden shouldn't have control over his 46 man game day roster, either.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1229311]Morgan Moses' terrible play was also a slap in the face.

As to benching AP, yes, i agree it has the appearance of disrespect, but if the team is committed to seeing what Guice can do, then having a 4th RB active on the roster that doesn't play special teams doesn't make much sense.

Jay wanted to let AP go before the season, but Allen overruled him. So we have a situation where the Team President is not letting Gruden control his final 53 man roster. [B]If someone has an issue with Gruden benching AP, then they are essentially saying that Gruden shouldn't have control over his 46 man game day roster, either.[/B][/quote]

Jay Gruden shouldn't be given control to organize a clown car parade.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1229312]Jay Gruden shouldn't be given control to organize a clown car parade.[/quote]

1. A head coach should always have control over his roster. If you wont give your head coach that control, then the guy shouldn't be your head coach.

2. Between the two of them, Id rather Jay control the roster than Bruce.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1229313]1. A head coach should always have control over his roster. [B]If you wont give your head coach that control, then the guy shouldn't be your head coach.[/B]

2. Between the two of them, Id rather Jay control the roster than Bruce.[/quote]

If you can't trust your HC to do the right thing, then you should fire him. Jay Gruden is the one who should be permanently deactivated.

p.s. We're going to be trampled by the Cowboys next week at "home".

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1229307]If you mean Jay Gruden then I agree with you. Otherwise, no.[/quote]

You beat me to the same point. Adrian Peterson is not the problem. Gruden, Allen, Manusky are the problem.
I have nothing against Guice, but what has he done or shown in an NFL game or preseason to think he can carry the work horse load at RB? AP proved it last year.
Why WR Richardson playing? Not because he So fucking great. Because he has a big contract.
Thses decisions did not come coaching staff, they came from FO.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1229309]Moses leading the league last year in penalties and having drive killing penalties yesterday is a slap in the face. This mf'er needs to STFU and focus on his own play.[/QUOTE]



Morgan Moses is right. The run game had 10 carries for 30 yards with an average 1.3 per.....anyone who says we didn’t need the greatest RB of this decade is a damn fool.

What did Smallwood do for us in his place? Nothing.

Gruden needs to go.


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If they keep doing what they did yesterday,he'll be gone after the New England game,which is not soon enough for me..this guy should stay an offensive coordinator because he's not a head coach.

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Fire him and manusky yesterday