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I hope it’s not Gettleman

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[quote=mooby;1241503]It's not just Florio, it's Doc Walker, even one of the few credible names in JP Finlay got sucked in by it. If Schaffer is the leaker who gave him the impression he was out?

Schaffer leaving after the draft makes sense because timing wise that's usually when next season's roster is solidified and FO moves like GM/etc. are made. Maybe Ron wants his own guy? Idk. But right now it reflects poorly on all parties involved, for the Redskins putting that doubt in Schaffer's mind, to all the media who jumped the gun to be first on the report.[/quote]

Mistakes happen, but Doc and JP quickly owned it. Florio on the other hand whines like a little bitch.

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[quote=MTK;1241509]Mistakes happen, but Doc and JP quickly owned it. Florio on the other hand whines like a little bitch.[/quote]

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[quote=MTK;1241500]Florio is just mad his source was wrong. Damn crybaby.[/quote]

Someone need to tell Florio:

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It would seem to me that its possible, if not likely, that it is Schaffer's decision to leave in May. Perhaps he's butt hurt that Dan assembled a group of advisors outside of the team to consult on the offseason changes? Perhaps he's miffed that he's not getting the promotion to Bruce's old job and someone else (whether internal or external) is?

The sequence of events makes me think the team wanted to keep his departure under wraps until May, but he leaked it to make them look bad.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1241519]It would seem to me that its possible, if not likely, that it is Schaffer's decision to leave in May. Perhaps he's butt hurt that Dan assembled a group of advisors outside of the team to consult on the offseason changes? Perhaps he's miffed that he's not getting the promotion to Bruce's old job and someone else (whether internal or external) is?



The sequence of events makes me think the team wanted to keep his departure under wraps until May, but he leaked it to make them look bad.[/QUOTE]Schaefer came off looking bad, once it was said he was the one who leaked it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1241519]It would seem to me that its possible, if not likely, that it is Schaffer's decision to leave in May. Perhaps he's butt hurt that Dan assembled a group of advisors outside of the team to consult on the offseason changes? Perhaps he's miffed that he's not getting the promotion to Bruce's old job and someone else (whether internal or external) is?

The sequence of events makes me think the team wanted to keep his departure under wraps until May, but he leaked it to make them look bad.[/quote]

If that's the case, then good riddance. Maybe they shouldn't wait until May...

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I completely agree that Rivera is a “good” coach. Not even a great coach. So where is he qualified to make decisions on GM and front office positions. I really hope he’s not make those moves.


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Any thoughts on John Dorsey? Browns fired him today.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1241535]Any thoughts on John Dorsey? Browns fired him today.

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He made a name for himself with Andy Reid and the Chiefs, but that name is now soiled for being fired by the Browns. Haslam is a bad owner though, they should've left Kitchens as o-coordinator and let Gregggggg run the ship.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1241535]Any thoughts on John Dorsey? Browns fired him today.

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Pass

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Now that Bruce is completely gone I wonder how Dan is going to behave. We've been pretty tight with free agency. With a lot of cap room and a new coach, I wonder if we're going back to the old ways. I sorta get the feeling Redskins One is ready to get a workout come free agency.

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A great coach us one that gets the MOST out of the talent he has.. Gruden did not come close to that.. Callahan did more than Gruden ever did. RR is a top tier coach .. remember the browns fired Bill B and he had one of the great all time QB in New England. Now that Brady is slipping let’s see how great Bill does with Average players. I’m not saying Ron is Elite but he is light years better than what we had.. but in the end it all will depend on the players and that will start with Haskins..

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1241535]Any thoughts on John Dorsey? Browns fired him today.

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The bigger question, what does Alex Smith think of John Dorsey?

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What’s the Smith and Dorsey connection?

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[quote=rocnrik;1241542]What’s the Smith and Dorsey connection?[/quote]

Kansas City .....

Bearing in mind Dorsey hired Kitchens and traded for OBJ..... so that would be a no for me

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My opinion of the front office personnel is the same as that of the defense (well most of the players on defense): a talented group that's been led by a moron.

Eric Schaffer and Kyle Smith are very talented executives, who are respected within and outside of the team. I'd like to see what this front office looks like without Bruce Allen f*cking things up. Schaffer is a wizard with the cap and has done a very good job with player contracts. And everyone knows the talent Smith has brought to the team. I would like to see how things go with him being completely in charge of the draft.

Also, I don't have a problem if we have a set up where both the head of the FO and the HC report to Snyder. I don't know where or who said it, but I read that Rivera wants a setup where he works with a GM (and not for the GM, nor does the GM work for him) and if there are any disagreements, they'd take that up to the owner. Also, I believe Rivera wants full control on the gameday roster.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1241554]My opinion of the front office personnel is the same as that of the defense (well most of the players on defense): a talented group that's been led by a moron.



Eric Schaffer and Kyle Smith are very talented executives, who are respected within and outside of the team. I'd like to see what this front office looks like without Bruce Allen f*cking things up. Schaffer is a wizard with the cap and has done a very good job with player contracts. And everyone knows the talent Smith has brought to the team. I would like to see how things go with him being completely in charge of the draft.



Also, I don't have a problem if we have a set up where both the head of the FO and the HC report to Snyder. I don't know where or who said it, but I read that Rivera wants a setup where he works with a GM (and not for the GM, nor does the GM work for him) and if there are any disagreements, they'd take that up to the owner. Also, I believe Rivera wants full control on the gameday roster.[/QUOTE]I think that setup would be interesting, but is there an example of it in the league?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1241555]I think that setup would be interesting, but is there an example of it in the league?

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Whenever Gibbs and Beatherd had disagreements they took it to Mr Cooke. He always sided with the coach and that's why BB left in 89. He basically lost a power struggle w/ Gibbs.

To me it seems really easy. GM has say over who comes on the roster, coach has say over who stays on the roster. Coach has say over his staff and game day roster.

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I get that Schaffer is great with the cap, but I really wouldn't get over worked if he was to get dumped.
We as [I][U]fans are not really in a position to know the worth of these FO guys[/U][/I], and I get this perception that he's good at what it does, but here what we know : he's been on a losing organisation for 17 years and hasn't got any offer for a higher title anywhere else.

Again, not saying he's not a quality guy, he may very well be, but I won't hang on to him over giving our new HC what he wants. [I][U]I want Ron Rivera to get quality guys that are on the same page as him[/U][/I]. If Eric Schaffer is one of them, great for him, hopefully good for the team too, but if he's not, let's not act like we know for sure letting him go was a huge mistake, [I]we don't really know[/I].

Anyway, my point is I like the fact that for now our new HC is given the tools for success, I want him to have enough control so he can truly turn this team in the direction he thinks is the best, at least early.

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In the end who really cares if ES stays or leaves? Do we as fans really care who manages the salary cap and does the contracts? I don't. It's just more stuff to gossip about and get worked up over nothing if you ask me. ES isn't the only guy on the planet that can do contracts and manage a cap.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1241587]In the end who really cares if ES stays or leaves? Do we as fans really care who manages the salary cap and does the contracts? I don't. It's just more stuff to gossip about and get worked up over nothing if you ask me. ES isn't the only guy on the planet that can do contracts and manage a cap.[/quote]

I would say he’s the best in the league.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1241593]I would say he’s the best in the league.[/quote]

People really think cap guys that manage to keep teams out of cap hell, despite doling out huge contracts that end up failing, are a dime a dozen huh?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1241593]I would say he’s the best in the league.[/quote]

He may be, but managing an NFL salary cap isn't brain surgery. Many people can probably do that job. Especially if the cap goes up every year.

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Schaffer has done a good job here but he seems to have been put on a pedestal by fans. We haven’t won shit because of him that’s for sure.


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Not sure how anyone in this FO is blameless. These three deals were terrible:

Paul Richardson signed a 5 year, $40,000,000 contract, a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $16,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $8,000,000.

Landon Collins signed a 6 year, $84,000,000, a $15,000,000 signing bonus, $44,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $14,000,000. Plus he is not a FS he is a SS.
SS are easier to find than FS.

Jordan Reed signed a 5 year, $46,750,000 contract, a $9,000,000 signing bonus, $22,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $9,350,000.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1241594]People really think cap guys that manage to keep teams out of cap hell, despite doling out huge contracts that end up failing, are a dime a dozen huh?[/QUOTE]It isn't that they are a dime a dozen, but no one that has been in the building prior to Rivera's hire should be automatically safe. It worries me if he actually did leak the story about leaving because that is part of the culture that needs to change!

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[quote=Defensewins;1241611]Not sure how anyone in this FO is blameless. These three deals were terrible:

Paul Richardson signed a 5 year, $40,000,000 contract, a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $16,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $8,000,000.

Landon Collins signed a 6 year, $84,000,000, a $15,000,000 signing bonus, $44,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $14,000,000. Plus he is not a FS he is a SS.
SS are easier to find than FS.

Jordan Reed signed a 5 year, $46,750,000 contract, a $9,000,000 signing bonus, $22,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $9,350,000.[/quote]

Piss poor signings.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1241618]Piss poor signings.[/quote]

BA should take the brunt of the blame for those signings and trading Fuller, who by the way will be a FA.

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Schaffer isn't an X's and O's guy, he's a cap guy. He makes numbers work. He moves money around so even when we have a lot of money tied up in guys who aren't with the team or not playing, it doesn't limit us from making other moves in the offseason.

Why we would give him credit or blame for roster construction? Or acting like he had a say in whether or not we should sign Landon Collins, or Paul Richardson? You think he's in there watching film or helping Doug Williams evaluate other pro players? His primary job is making the numbers work.

With all that being said I want Rivera to be in complete cohesion with his GM and FO. If Rivera and Schaffer don't get along Schaffer has to go.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1241618]Piss poor signings.[/quote]

It is too early to make a decision on the Collins. The other two were bad deals and should fall on Allen. Collins may be a better fit in the new D scheme.

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I think it was Sheehan who said he heard Schaffer wanted to take on more of a role in the personnel side of things. This would clearly not be a good idea, as we need experienced people in those roles.

I think we as fans have overvalued Schaffer simply because he navigated us through cap hell time and time again. He has done very well in that role. But whose to say it’s really THAT hard to manage the cap? All the teams do it. It’s just that many teams did not negotiate such terrible deals with players to constantly put the team in cap hell to begin with.

I’m appreciative for what Schaffer has done here, but I’m not going to make him out to be more than he is. We’ve got rid of Bruce and are going all in on Rivera. The best thing for the TEAM is to fill the front office with people who can get on the same page with Rivera and help execute his vision.

We’ve been a losing organization for 20 years. No one should feel safe. Doug Williams, Eric Santos, they’ve been around for a really long time in the league and haven’t done shit to put together a winning organization anywhere. So if they’re sent packing too, then I’m not going to care. I do think Kyle smith has put together a couple really good drafts, so he’s the only one in the whole group who I think has EARNED a shot to remain. But if he goes, I’m not going to get upset over it either.


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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1241624]It is too early to make a decision on the Collins. The other two were bad deals and should fall on Allen. Collins may be a better fit in the new D scheme.[/quote]

I hope Collins proves me wrong. $14,000,000 a year is a lot of money for him.
My biggest concern is his lack of speed. His coverage skills is his weakness. Not sure I ever want a safety that coverage is weak. That needs to be his strength not weakness.

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Per Keim - Bill C will not return.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1241593]I would say he’s the best in the league.[/quote]

Wouldn't that be an over statement? We know for sure he's great at what he does, but are we really deep enough into the contracts' structuring and cap management of the 31 other teams to know that he's the best in the league ?

Maybe you are, but I'm not... and I'd say most of us aren't, cuz that'd be an incredible amount of time spent acquiring that knowledge.

I think we tend to over evaluate our guys, same goes with players, because we don't spend nearly as much time watching/evaluating other teams' guys.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1241624]It is too early to make a decision on the Collins. The other two were bad deals and should fall on Allen. Collins may be a better fit in the new D scheme.[/quote]

Collins has been in the league now for several years. I think it's safe to say he isn't a great player. He isn't a play maker. I question whether he's all that great a tackler from what I saw the last few games of the season. You simply can not hand him the contract that he got.

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I think Doug WIlliams is useless and needs to go. Hopefully they put a competent football decision maker in his place.


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Yeah managing the cap doesn’t help much if you can’t coach or put together a complete roster. Schaffer is fine in the role but in his 17 years here we’ve been one of the five losingest teams (I can invent words, you can’t) in the NFL. In the end cap guys and negotiators don’t help much when it comes to winning games.

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[quote=Schneed10;1241634]Yeah managing the cap doesn’t help much if you can’t coach or put together a complete roster. Schaffer is fine in the role but in his 17 years here we’ve been one of the five [B]losingest[/B] teams (I can invent words, you can’t) in the NFL. In the end cap guys and negotiators don’t help much when it comes to winning games.[/quote]

I think the word you're looking for is [I]worst[/I].

Anyways I like Schaffer but I like the idea of a coaching staff that has complete unity with the FO more.

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Rivera kept O’Connell! I am really exciting to see O’Connell when he is not tied to the over-riding inputs of Gruden and Callahan. Those inputs to the play calling made us predictable and run heavy.

I think we got to see O’Connell in true action in the last few games. His play calling was imaginative and effective. Haskins started to rise to the challenge in the last two games!


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