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[quote=HTTR;1255650]Snyder sure as hell is responsible for the culture and office behavior of his execs. That’s what leaders do. Competent, dedicated staff members being harassed to the point of crying at their desks and eventually quitting, with one HR person on staff and no one to report to who could make these horny douchebags knock it off . . . sure, it happens elsewhere, but not at good organizations. If it happens where you work, give some serious thought to what you’re going to do to change things. It’s not professional.

So maybe this doesn’t warrant a max NFL slapdown, but [B]let’s hope there’s enough here for Snyder to have a come-to-Jesus moment. [/B](That’s a figure of speech.)[/quote]

Har-Dee-Har-Har! You're funny.

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[quote=JackLord;1255617]Uggghh! Not cool and [B]it could not have come at a worse time.[/B]

Most guys like attractive women, but we all need to keep our thoughts to ourselves.[/quote]

For whom? The timing is perfect for Bezos, the WaPo owner who is apparently interested in buying the Washington NFL franchise.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1255651]People seem to forget that Snyder is not well liked by other owners. They'll use this as an excuse to force him out.

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They could but let's not pretend like corporate culture isn't synonymous with sexual harassment. I wouldn't be surprised if there were several other bottom feeder teams with the same issues.

Dan already has his defense lined up. "The perpetrators involved in these acts have been removed from their jobs and we are taking appropriate steps to insure this never happens again."

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I would not be surprised if this happens with most pro sports teams sadly. Big egos and excess testosterone with rich men. It might uncover and address the problem across sports but I don't think that it will get rid of Snyder. Hopefully some good and justice comes from exposing it. Just look how horrible it was to a far worse extent in the Olympics, with minor girls in gymnastics and swimming.

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The Richard Mann text are weak, seriously that is sexually harassing? I feel like those two had at the min a flirty relationship going on. Those text are out of context.

The whole thing sounds like weak sauce imo; cat calling and butt pinching BREAKING NEWS!!! Not condoning but it certainly didn’t need all the build WaPo built up; then folks connecting Snyder with Epstein; GTFO.

I hate Synder just as much as the next guy but this isn’t ousting him.

This what happens when folks hate you they make mole holes into mountains. Any liked owner/ franchise this never come to light and the nfl would privately tell them to get their shit together.

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[quote=HTTR;1255650]Snyder sure as hell is responsible for the culture and office behavior of his execs. That’s what leaders do. Competent, dedicated staff members being harassed to the point of crying at their desks and eventually quitting, with one HR person on staff and no one to report to who could make these horny douchebags knock it off . . . sure, it happens elsewhere, but not at good organizations. If it happens where you work, give some serious thought to what you’re going to do to change things. It’s not professional.

So maybe this doesn’t warrant a max NFL slapdown, but let’s hope there’s enough here for Snyder to have a come-to-Jesus moment. (That’s a figure of speech.)[/quote]

Agree here...Snyder pleading ignorance absolutely, 1000% doesn’t cut it.

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As bad as this is, what I received this morning that was circulating among the DC media was A LOT worse. I'm sure several of you have seen the same thing. Not going to post it, but what I did see could have had Snyder and others spending the rest of their lives in prison.

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Considering Kraft has sex with prostitutes and is still an owner I don’t see how this bites Dan.

Based on the reports we were hearing this week this is about what I expected a systemic problem.

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So there is stuff floating around that is worse than this that could lead to people going to prison and we may never hear about it ?? And we wonder why our government is not to be trusted .... where is the media over the rest of this story then .. they sure can dig up stuff on everybody else .. no free passes for me .. let’s hear it all .

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[quote=rocnrik;1255669]So there is stuff floating around that is worse than this that could lead to people going to prison and we may never hear about it ?? And we wonder why our government is not to be trusted .... where is the media over the rest of this story then .. they sure can dig up stuff on everybody else .. no free passes for me .. let’s hear it all .[/quote]

The rumors of sex trafficking are probably baseless. If the Post had that evidence they’d have gone to the police.

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[quote]Snyder “would humiliate Dennis in front of other executives because he was a cheerleader in college …[/quote]

This part says it all to me about the toxic culture. It starts at the top. We will never ever win as long as that asshole is in charge. Ron isn't going to change the culture when you have a owner like Dan who's a toxic fuck.

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Given all the smoke around this news drop .... I seriously figured this would be Penn State Pedohilia scandal combined with mass rape Michigan State scandal with a dose of Epstein Maxwell sex trafficking scandal ...

This .... while seriously awful .... doesn't come CLOSE to the above mentioned scandals.


I don't see how Snyder gets removed for this.

I also don't see Snyder's already rock bottom reputation recovering from this either.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1255637]While I do think the behaviors described in the article are horrible, need to be punished and brought to a stop, I think it's about needing a culture change as a society (and I'm talking worldwide, we have the same in France).

IMO it would be a mistake to think this is just about Larry, Santos and Mann, or just about this team, or just about sports.

To me it's about all of us needing to change, and step up to change society.
It's about listening when women speak up, it's about speaking out when we witness something wrong, it's about educating our kids differently.
It's about so many other things than Dan Snyder.

If this leads to Dan selling the team, great, but I really don't think this is about him.[/QUOTE]


Agree re big picture points. Also agree that Snyder allowed for this culture to fester and I believe there should be repercussions for this. Serious ones.


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[QUOTE=calia;1255675]Agree re big picture points. Also agree that Snyder allowed for this culture to fester and I believe there should be repercussions for this. Serious ones.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]You're right.
From what I understood of what he is, I see it more like he's not a leader at all, didn't care about the issue, maybe didn't even think about it as an issue, and let it grow.

Aside from money Snyder seems to have none of the needed tools to be an NFL franchise owner.

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RR has to be thinking why did I take this disaster of a job. He has to be having 2nd thoughts.

I hope they let people into the games this year. I want to get a ticket right on the field. When Snyder goes out there before the game I just want to yell at him before the games until they kick me out. Just verbally abuse him.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1255666]Considering Kraft has sex with prostitutes and is still an owner I don’t see how this bites Dan.

Based on the reports we were hearing this week this is about what I expected a systemic problem.[/quote]

This is correct...there is no direct allegations involving Snyder so no way he is forced to sell and I don’t think he should be. It’s just another feather in the cap of pure incompetence and a terrible culture.

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Need to get Gibbs in on ownership

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1255666]Considering Kraft has sex with prostitutes and is still an owner I don’t see how this bites Dan.

Based on the reports we were hearing this week this is about what I expected a systemic problem.[/quote]



So what ,Kraft is a different story .What Kraft did like it or not he did not do it at work or at anytime representing the Patriots or to any Patriot employees.

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[quote=davy;1255607]Doesn't strike me as a huge story, you could probably find similar claims at any large company.

:pffff:[/quote]

Large Company, How many employees do you think the Skins have (full time/year round)?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1255626]Didn't see anything involving the cheerleaders.[/quote]



" Greene’s 17-year career with the club ended in 2018 amid a scandal over the revelation he had sold access to Redskins cheerleaders — including attendance at a bikini calendar photo shoot in Costa Rica — as part of premium suite packages. Greene declined to comment."

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lol the bullshit stories floating around yesterday...paying refs, Epstein, sex parties, etc

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[quote=Chico23231;1255681]This is correct...there is no direct allegations involving Snyder so [B]no way he is forced to sell and I don’t think he should be[/B]. It’s just another feather in the cap of pure incompetence and a terrible culture.[/quote]

I disagree on this point. Dan Snyder is responsible for the toxic culture in his company. Personally, I am shocked that he didn't even have a legitimate HR executive in a company of over 200 people for[U] twenty tears[/U]. Much less a professional HR staff. That shows he doesn't give a damn about the "little people" who work for him, so he left them unprotected from workplace abuse. Also, Snyder has "lawyered up" so the worst of the abuses probably have yet to surface.

The one thing Snyder does efficiently is fire people. The entire organization was intimidated by his temper. That is why people were afraid to bring incidents forward and executives [U]didn't want to know about it.[/U] Plus, they had no real HR Department with any power to help them if they wanted to report the incidents.

One way to solve this mess is for the NFL Commissioner to step up and lead, for once in his life. He needs to call Snyder and tell him point blank "You are an embarrassment to the league. I want you out as an NFL owner and I'm going to make it happen". Then, he should make it happen. There are many ways to get it done.

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Snyder just continues to be a major fucking embarrassment. God I hope the other owners take this as an opportunity to get him out.

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[URL="https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2020/07/16/redskins-owner-daniel-snyder-now-embarrassment-nfl-cannot-afford/5455660002/"]Opinion: Daniel Snyder is no longer just a headache for the NFL, he's become a liability[/URL]

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[quote=Giantone;1255685]Large Company, How many employees do you think the Skins have (full time/year round)?[/quote]

According to the story, 220+.

My dept. has about 300-350. I honestly feel at companies/workplaces this size you're practically guaranteed to have some employees harassing others. It's a shame it's become so common now that the story barely elicits a reaction, but really after the cheerleader scandal broke who is surprised by these allegations? I'd really be surprised if it wasn't common around the NFL.

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I mean I was in the Army for 6 years, there was always jokes and stuff from both men and women but never touching anyone unwillingly. The Rihana Walker story is a shame and she didn't deserve that, nor did the others. If you are just brushing this off as "Oh well it's just guys being guys" That's a huge fucking problem

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1255693]I mean I was in the Army for 6 years, there was always jokes and stuff from both men and women but never touching anyone unwillingly. The Rihana Walker story is a shame and she didn't deserve that, nor did the others. If you are just brushing this off as "Oh well it's just guys being guys" That's a huge fucking problem[/quote]

It's not brushing it off, it's acknowledging the problem and unfortunately how common it is. Nobody should have to tolerate that shit just to keep their job. But going to HR can be a bad move too, they are always looking out for the company's interest. It's why the Redskins have needed an HR overhaul for years now.

Also you're kidding yourself if you think things never crossed the line in the Army, or any other branch of the military. Sexual harassment and assault is as common over there as it is anywhere else.

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[quote=mooby;1255692]According to the story, 220+.

My dept. has about 300-350. I honestly feel at companies/workplaces this size you're practically guaranteed to have some employees harassing others. It's a shame it's become so common now that the story barely elicits a reaction, but really after the cheerleader scandal broke who is surprised by these allegations? I'd really be surprised if it wasn't common around the NFL.[/quote]

What may surprise you with my experience in the “corporate culture” and I work in a extremely diverse one...when it comes to escalating issues, I’d say harassers/inappropriate events...more women (I’d say 60-40 split) as the culprit than men, BUT when an event happens and it’s a man and specially man vs woman...harsher outcomes for sure do to optics.

The things that I always think is interesting is relationships in the office. It seems some are passed over as that fine...other frowned upon.

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[quote=mooby;1255694]It's not brushing it off, it's acknowledging the problem and unfortunately how common it is. Nobody should have to tolerate that shit just to keep their job. But going to HR can be a bad move too, they are always looking out for the company's interest. It's why the Redskins have needed an HR overhaul for years now.

Also you're kidding yourself if you think things never crossed the line in the Army, or any other branch of the military. Sexual harassment and assault is as common over there as it is anywhere else.[/quote]

Oh they def have, hell I'm no saint myself. I've flirted with girls in the past but once I knew they were done with the jokes I was done. The military is a big problem too, females get harassed far too much, I was just speaking in my own experiences, we even had a SHARP (Sexual Harassment/Assault Response and Prevention) class monthly because it's so bad

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[quote=Chico23231;1255688]lol the bullshit stories floating around yesterday...paying refs, Epstein, sex parties, etc[/quote]

That's what happens when you toss some chum in the water like a lot of media members were doing with their bullshit cryptic tweets

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[quote=mooby;1255692]According to the story, 220+.

My dept. has about 300-350. I honestly feel at companies/workplaces this size you're practically guaranteed to have some employees harassing others. It's a shame it's become so common now that the story barely elicits a reaction, but really after the cheerleader scandal broke who is surprised by these allegations? [B] I'd really be surprised if it wasn't common around the NFL.[/B][/quote]

My thoughts exactly.

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Time to face reality, yet again. As long as Snyder is there, we are doomed. A new name and a new stadium will solve squat. You are just relabeling a problem and moving it to a new location.

Snyder is a jackass. I don't believe that crap about him growing up a fan. Oh sure, he had a peripheral interest as the Skins were front and center culture wise when we grew up (he is slightly older than I). But I doubt he could discern between Sonny and Billy.

And I am very hesitant to attribute success to luck. But I cannot believe anything else explains Danny's success. I think he got lucky in his early days. Were he so smart, a quarter century would be more than enough to learn the biggest issue is you.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1255696]Oh they def have, hell I'm no saint myself. I've flirted with girls in the past but once I knew they were done with the jokes I was done. The military is a big problem too, females get harassed far too much, I was just speaking in my own experiences, we even had a SHARP (Sexual Harassment/Assault Response and Prevention) class monthly because it's so bad[/quote]

SHARP is not a monthly requirement.


[url]https://www.sexualassault.army.mil/annual_unit_refresher.aspx[/url]

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Dan needs to hire Toby away from Dunder Mifflin

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If Rivera knew what he was stepping into here, man, god bless him. If he didn't know, I feel for him. He's taking on a giant task here. If he can't save us we are truly doomed.

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[quote=MTK;1255690]Snyder just continues to be a major fucking embarrassment. God I hope the other owners take this as an opportunity to get him out.[/quote]

How do they get him out? I am confused, can they vote him off the island?

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[quote=mredskins;1255704]How do they get him out? I am confused, can they vote him off the island?[/quote]

Yeah they can do what the NBA did to Sterling, the only issue is Sterling was caught red handed, Dan hasn't yet and I'm sure it's due to his fucking money saving his ass.. There is no way he didn't know this was going on

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[quote=mredskins;1255704]How do they get him out? I am confused, can they vote him off the island?[/quote]

Section 8.13, titled "Disciplinary Power of Commissioner", gives Goodell the authorization to discipline an owner if he or she "has either violated the Constitution and Bylaws of the League or has been or is guilty of conduct detrimental to the welfare of the League or professional football."

If the commissioner doesn't believe the $500,000 fine is "adequate or sufficient," he can choose to "refer the matter to the Executive Committee" to invoke additional punishments, such as:

"Cancellation or forfeiture of the franchise in the League of any member club involved or implicated. If such occurs, the affected franchise shall be sold and disposed of under the provisions of Section 3.8(B) hereof."

[URL="https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/nfl-lays-groundwork-remove-jerry-jones-cowboys-owner-article-1.3635937"]link[/URL]

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These allegations just don’t reach the level of forcing Dan out. Just my opinion. If Dan had allegations directly connected to him...then yes.

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[quote=Chico23231;1255708]These allegations just don’t reach the level of forcing Dan out. Just my opinion. If Dan had allegations directly connected to him...then yes.[/quote]

In today's climate I wouldn't be so sure about that.

And ultimately it shouldn't matter if there are no "direct" connections. His team, his problem.