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We have the #2 pick as of this morning

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There are a lot of one win teams out there but it is hard to believe we beat any of them. Get a top 5 pick for sure but based on our track record with top 5 picks not sure I want it.

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Perfect loss yesterday, they were competitive but found a way to lose. Stay the course for a top 3 pick. There should be no rooting for wins the rest of the way.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1262787]I’ll wait to judge after the A22 but where the hell has chase young been?[/quote]

The generational pass rusher? lol. Pretty sad that those guys had one sack against the Giants.

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Chase may end up being a Mack type player and let’s all hope he does because the hype for him was unbelievable

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[QUOTE=MTK;1262814]Perfect loss yesterday, they were competitive but found a way to lose. Stay the course for a top 3 pick. There should be no rooting for wins the rest of the way.[/QUOTE]


I was that way after starting 1-3. This team sucks

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[quote=Chico23231;1262775]Can we just cut Collins? Our safeties combo is bottom 3 in the league? It’s terrible folks[/quote]

Collins can't even play the run anymore, which is supposed to be his strength. He couldn't make any plays on Jones. I'd bench him for Curl. Curl isn't that good covering but at least he is hungry and wants to mix it up. It's like Collins got paid and then checked out.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1262816]The generational pass rusher? lol. Pretty sad that those guys had one sack against the Giants.[/quote]

Jones was 12 of 19 with seven runs (several called). Garrett game planned around negating our edge rush. The rest of the defense, like the linebackers, need the able to adapt when players like Chase make the other team do something differently.

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Jon Allen can walk, he’s so inconsistent. Payne is good and Matt I. Is really good when he plays. Smith is solid as well. Overall they have been a huge disappointment tho, all the talk was how CY was going to make this DL amazing and they suck

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We keep tricking the Giants into beating us. Idiots. It's like reverse Charlie Brown. We let them kick the ball every time.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1262823]Jon Allen can walk, he’s so inconsistent. Payne is good and Matt I. Is really good when he plays. Smith is solid as well. Overall they have been a huge disappointment tho, all the talk was how CY was going to make this DL amazing and they suck[/QUOTE]


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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1262824]We keep tricking the Giants into beating us. Idiots. It's like reverse Charlie Brown. We let them kick the ball every time.[/quote]

LMAO!!! This is absolutely perfect!!!! :lol:

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I'm just jaded right now. I wanted that win really bad and to lose like that when they had momentum for the most part is just deflating.

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Does anyone know what are the ramifications of straight cutting Collins right now? I think that needs to happen. At the very least, bench him.

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This was a competitive game. We have many holes on this team. We’ll have very high draft picks and a huge amount of cap money to rebuild this team.

Rivera said this year was about evaluating players. He got off that by the sirens call of perhaps competing for the NFC East. Lol.
We’ve got too many holes or overrated players.

REMEMBER: This team is MOSTLY a bunch of players picked by SNYDER and Bruce Allen. Almost all of them suck! It will take 2 years to drain this swamp and replace many with NFL caliber players. I think Kyle Smith can find replacements but it will take time.

Allen is exactly what was projected. Good passer who has turnovers. He made many passes that Haskins can only dream about. Allen is playing for the #2 QB spot NEXT YEAR. He will also allow RR and Smith to evaluate WR like Cam Smith to see if he can be the #4 WR next year.

Some guys are just injured too much or just not to the answer. AGG, Charles, BOTH our safeties, Martin and Haskins just aren’t ready.


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OK, let me get this out of the way...Kyle Allen is a BUM, stays in the pocket too long, holds the ball too long, fumbles, throws interceptions.. there's no confidence here in his play as far as I'm concerned and I don't wanna hear any of that[well he's a young QB crap]he is what he is-a backup guy.. he's supposed to know this system and can't play any better than this? we won't win another game this year...you think we're gonna beat Dallas who can score with this dude at QB?? good luck with that!!

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1262830]Does anyone know what are the ramifications of straight cutting Collins right now? I think that needs to happen. At the very least, bench him.[/QUOTE]


I’d like to see some other safeties from FA, who come here on a one-season contract. Both our safeties suck. Collins is ANOTHER bloated, over paid player who comes here to get paid, then under performs.


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[quote=Ruhskins;1262830]Does anyone know what are the ramifications of straight cutting Collins right now? I think that needs to happen. At the very least, bench him.[/quote]

As opposed to cutting him or benching him, do you move him to linebacker? It seems like he might do better there.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1262814]Perfect loss yesterday, they were competitive but found a way to lose. Stay the course for a top 3 pick. There should be no rooting for wins the rest of the way.[/QUOTE]


I can’t believe that was are (again) rooting to lose and discussing the draft this early in the season. This team makes me pretty miserable year after year. Since like 1991. I’d say the stretch I enjoyed in the 70s and 80s was nice. I didn’t think it would lead to misery for decades thereafter.

Let’s just hope that this year brings a brutal investigation that leads to Snyder having to get lost.


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The d line is the least of the problems. LBs suck. Bostic showed out last year and this year gets fucked on the weekly. The DBs suck. Every single of them

Just to remind you Collins got outran by a QB, damn near $100 million dollars got out ran by not Cam, not Lamar, not Danger Russ.. Daniel.Jones.


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[quote=Ruhskins;1262830]Does anyone know what are the ramifications of straight cutting Collins right now? I think that needs to happen. At the very least, bench him.[/quote]

Second this approach.

Also Ron didn’t look good at the presser...I think the treatment is really affecting him. Being that he is high risk for covid, I’d really like him to step away. He doesn’t need to prove anything, just get better.

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Scott Turner offensive play calling is hard for me to grade. Everything is within 10 yards of the LOS and its like 1st and 2nd down plays are designed to try and get into a 3rd and short. Like making it 3rd and managable is the goal.

Every play seems to be a low risk, take what the D gives you play call, with the hope someone can break a tackle and make more yards than the play is designed to get.

There are no intermediate to deep throws. There are no throws to stretch a defense or keep safeties honest.

I read that Turner called lots of short stuff last year bc he was adjusting his scheme around his QB Allen who had a weak arm. But then this year with Haskins we saw a bunch of short stuff so I thought maybe Haskins isnt seeing the deeper routes?

We have been calling 10 variations of screens with Haskins, tons of slip screens ... yesterday I dont remember seeing one screen call.

I think we have been blessed to have Gruden, McVay and OConnell calling plays for us because those guys play designs were on point. The routes worked well together - forced a defender to have pick btw 2 routes allows the QB to just read that 1 defender - they were layered well (long, medium, short) so the Qb progressions were smooth - they would do a variation of the same look later in the game.

I dont think we threw it over 20 yards until we got within 20 yards of the end zone.

Seems intentional and maybe its the smart play with the lack of O talent. We cant get into a shootout with teams so control the ball, control the clock, hope your D can get a turnover or two and do just enough on offense to kick a game winning FG as the clock expires.

Playcalling .. especially after watching what McVay/OConnell did to us last week .. seems weak.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1262830]Does anyone know what are the ramifications of straight cutting Collins right now? I think that needs to happen. At the very least, bench him.[/quote]

Not good. Perhaps the most uncutable player in the league lol.

If he was cut now, 33 million in dead money and a cap LOSS of 18.8m. Cut in 2021 = 18.8 million in dead cap and a cap loss of 1.6M. Cut after 2021, 9.6 m dead money, 6.6M in cap savings.

Collins is a skin for this year and next year. Hes the equivalent of the Orioles Chris Davis.

Moving him to a sub package as a LB is an option but I feel like he is already doing that on some plays hes damn near the LOS.

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LMAO Ron is trying so hard to just say "Fuck it guys you want me to say we are tanking already"

Every answer is "WELL WE JUST HAVE TO STAY POSITIVE AND KEEP WORKING"

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[quote=SunnySide;1262841]Scott Turner offensive play calling is hard for me to grade. Everything is within 10 yards of the LOS and its like 1st and 2nd down plays are designed to try and get into a 3rd and short. Like making it 3rd and managable is the goal.

Every play seems to be a low risk, take what the D gives you play call, with the hope someone can break a tackle and make more yards than the play is designed to get.

There are no intermediate to deep throws. There are no throws to stretch a defense or keep safeties honest.

I read that Turner called lots of short stuff last year bc he was adjusting his scheme around his QB Allen who had a weak arm. But then this year with Haskins we saw a bunch of short stuff so I thought maybe Haskins isnt seeing the deeper routes?

We have been calling 10 variations of screens with Haskins, tons of slip screens ... yesterday I dont remember seeing one screen call.

I think we have been blessed to have Gruden, McVay and OConnell calling plays for us because those guys play designs were on point. The routes worked well together - forced a defender to have pick btw 2 routes allows the QB to just read that 1 defender - they were layered well (long, medium, short) so the Qb progressions were smooth - they would do a variation of the same look later in the game.

I dont think we threw it over 20 yards until we got within 20 yards of the end zone.

Seems intentional and maybe its the smart play with the lack of O talent. We cant get into a shootout with teams so control the ball, control the clock, hope your D can get a turnover or two and do just enough on offense to kick a game winning FG as the clock expires.

Playcalling .. especially after watching what McVay/OConnell did to us last week .. seems weak.[/quote]

Yep I don't like how Turner is calling plays too, I hope he will learn a lot this year and get better for the next season.

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Collins can’t play in space...go back and watch him on the Daniel Jones run, especially at the los...

After you watch the Daniel jones run, come here and explain to me how in gods name did Dan and Bruce give him that contract? They made him the highest paid on year avg safety in the league

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Everyone on here is going to be SO mad when this team beats the Cowboys next week.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1262847]Everyone on here is going to be SO mad when this team beats the Cowboys next week.[/quote]

Mad that we haven't already made Super Bowl reservations!

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1262847]Everyone on here is going to be SO mad when this team beats the Cowboys next week.[/quote]

We beat the Cowboys next week ... we'd be a half game out of first.

* assuming the boys lose today and eagles win vs NYG next week
** if boys lose today and NYG win next week, wed be tied for 1st with DAL and NYG at 2-5.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1262847]Everyone on here is going to be SO mad when this team beats the Cowboys next week.[/quote]

Hell no, we can lose the rest of our games and only beat Dallas, and I'm satisfied with that season.

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I’ll say this, those 2 turnovers by Kyle were terrible.

But, the two TD throws were perfect, best TD throws of the year. Both were contested catches and perfectly put where only the receivers could get them. Nice throws.

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[quote=Warthog;1262835]I’d like to see some other safeties from FA, who come here on a one-season contract. Both our safeties suck. Collins is ANOTHER bloated, over paid player who comes here to get paid, then under performs.


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On that play where Jones ran what seemed like forever, that was all on Collins. His assignment was obviously the QB. He went for the fake so there were two guys on the rb. Once Jones pulled the ball out there was no one there. Then after he blew his assignment he wasn't athletic enough to chase down Jones. He should have been benched after that shit. A free agent off the street could have played that play better. But he is making 14 million. Totally inexcusable. Sit his ass down.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1262816]The generational pass rusher? lol. Pretty sad that those guys had one sack against the Giants.[/quote]

I don't think he's 100% yet, and he had a nice pressure on the INT that Jones threw in the end zone.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1262855]On that play where Jones ran what seemed like forever, that was all on Collins. His assignment was obviously the QB. He went for the fake so there were two guys on the rb. Once Jones pulled the ball out there was no one there. Then after he blew his assignment he wasn't athletic enough to chase down Jones. He should have been benched after that shit. A free agent off the street could have played that play better. But he is making 14 million. Totally inexcusable. Sit his ass down.[/quote]

Collins had him one on one and Jones just froze him and ran around him at the los...it’s embarrassing at this point. He needs to be benched and end of year renegotiate or cut him. Make him an example of how culture change works, no more contracts for players like him.

Also, Alex Smith is cut first thing this offseason.

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[quote=Chico23231;1262854]I’ll say this, those 2 turnovers by Kyle were terrible.

But, the two TD throws were perfect, best TD throws of the year. Both were contested catches and perfectly put where only the receivers could get them. Nice throws.[/quote]

He's better than Haskins but he is another Case Keenum type..

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Allen is a good backup but he's not a starter.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1262862]He's better than Haskins but he is another Case Keenum type..[/quote]

You know, I think he could be better than Keemun but a guy who is suited as a no 2 who knows the offense has value.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1262847]Everyone on here is going to be SO mad when this team beats the Cowboys next week.[/quote]I want some of what you're smokin!!!

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[quote=Chico23231;1262865]You know, I think he could be better than Keemun but a guy who is suited as a no 2 who knows the offense has value.[/quote]He ain't better than anybody...HE'S A FREAKIN BUM!!

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Allen was the main reason we were in the game, and he was the main reason we lost. He is better than DH. But our expectations at QB are just to have a QB who can function and hit underneath passes.