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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1303719]Not sure why Slye was included in that. Both our lines are decimated, but that happens nearly every year. I know they upgraded the field, but I still wonder if it is a part of the issue around our injuries. (Not saying it is the field's fault, but if somehow it is a factor).



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I think a healthy Cosmi would be a plus.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1303720]I think a healthy Cosmi would be a plus.[/QUOTE]Yeah most definitely.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1303716]How many WR’s do you need? Samuel is coming back from Injury, Brown is a rookie, Milne is a rookie, Sims needs to play more.[/QUOTE]


Samuel was hurt in Carolina, he’s not proven shit in his career. Milne will most likely be a career backup. Cam sims needs to play more but really other than Terry, we don’t have a legit go to guy.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1303722]Samuel was hurt in Carolina, he’s not proven shit in his career. Milne will most likely be a career backup. Cam sims needs to play more but really other than Terry, we don’t have a legit go to guy.[/quote]

Humphries has a good job, Brown has had tough injury riddle rookie season. We have other needs like LB, QB, CB, S, T

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1303723]Humphries has a good job, Brown has had tough injury riddle rookie season. We have other needs like LB, QB, CB, S, T[/QUOTE]


For sure I don’t mean Draft , we could sign a vet that’s good too. No matter what, QB1 is #1 on the list. Until we get a consistent starter it won’t matter

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Ron said after the game “ Taylor has to get rid of the ball on some of those, you can’t hold onto it against that defense” he got scared to make mistakes today and just took sacks. Also Micah Parsons did more today to change that game than CY did in 1.5 seasons. Seriously that’s not over reacting

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1303725]Ron said after the game “ Taylor has to get rid of the ball on some of those, you can’t hold onto it against that defense” he got scared to make mistakes today and just took sacks. Also Micah Parsons did more today to change that game than CY did in 1.5 seasons. Seriously that’s not over reacting[/quote]

Let me ask you something. Was CY not defensive rookie of the year? Yeah, so he didn’t have a good year this year and then got hurt. How about we wait and see
What he does next year. Fickle fans in this board.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1303727]Let me ask you something. Was CY not defensive rookie of the year? Yeah, so he didn’t have a good year this year and then got hurt. How about we wait and see
What he does next year. Fickle fans in this board.[/QUOTE]


I’m not hating on CY, I was just saying he hasn’t had a significant game yet.. Sure he could end up being a HOF type player but so far he’s been avg at best. I don’t sugar coat our team or players just because I love the team, facts are facts. He’s not a parsons and it’s pretty obvious most would admit that.

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Another rant I have is the embarrassing display of Dallas fans In fedex today. If u didn’t have video u would think that game was in Dallas.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1303728]I’m not hating on CY, I was just saying he hasn’t had a significant game yet.. Sure he could end up being a HOF type player but so far he’s been avg at best. I don’t sugar coat our team or players just because I love the team, facts are facts. He’s not a parsons and it’s pretty obvious most would admit that.[/quote]

He was only rookie of the year. Fuck Parsons, let’s see if he keeps it up.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1303730]He was only rookie of the year. Fuck Parsons, let’s see if he keeps it up.[/QUOTE]


He won ROY because the others didn’t do Jack lol he was a solid player last year but not some superstar. It’s all perspective now though, we won’t know until next year with him

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1303728]I’m not hating on CY, I was just saying he hasn’t had a significant game yet.. Sure he could end up being a HOF type player but so far he’s been avg at best. I don’t sugar coat our team or players just because I love the team, facts are facts. He’s not a parsons and it’s pretty obvious most would admit that.[/QUOTE]I would say the SF game last year CY had a dominating performance, along with a few others. This year he definitely bought into his own hype. Parsons may very well do the same. Cowboys players have been known to puffed up chests after a season or two.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1303732]I would say the SF game last year CY had a dominating performance, along with a few others. This year he definitely bought into his own hype. Parsons may very well do the same. Cowboys players have been known to puffed up chests after a season or two.

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Definitely possible and yeah I’ll give u guys the SF game even with them being ass last year..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1303731]He won ROY because the others didn’t do Jack lol he was a solid player last year but not some superstar. It’s all perspective now though, we won’t know until next year with him[/quote]

Sure ok, he’s just average and Parsons is the next LT after one season.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1303734]Sure ok, he’s just average and Parsons is the next LT after one season.[/QUOTE]


I saw that comparison and laughed too. Nobody is LT. Parsons could have a sophomore slump too who knows. I hope he does lol

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TH has a 29.7 grade pending final review, if that stands it’s by far a career worst.

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Sure losing to Dallas sucks. But.

The offside call on Jon Allen leading to their first TD was ticky tacky AF... DL line up this way all the time and it's almost never called

The DPI on WJ3 leading to 21 - 0 late in the 2nd was complete bullshit

Gibson's fumble

Carter's drop

Both Fuller and Jamin Davis dropped quite easy INTs

...


Despite all that + our offense not being able to move the ball for more than half of the game + all the injuries, we had a shot till the Allen's fumble.

Defense played REALLY well. Let's not downplay the fact Dallas' offense only scored 1 TD.

Also loved the heart shown to come back into this game while every body from fans to the announcers had checked out.

Heck, a lot of us wanted to split with Dallas and win the other games. That's still in play. We're still in the race for a wild card spot. We just lost a one score game to a division rival that we didn't think we had any business competing with 5 weeks ago. Not the end of the world. Not the end of the season. Not the end of our playoffs hunt!

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1303737]Sure losing to Dallas sucks. But.

The offside call on Jon Allen leading to their first TD was ticky tacky AF... DL line up this way all the time and it's almost never called

The DPI on WJ3 leading to 21 - 0 late in the 2nd was complete bullshit

Gibson's fumble

Carter's drop

Both Fuller and Jamin Davis dropped quite easy INTs

...


Despite all that + our offense not being able to move the ball for more than half of the game + all the injuries, we had a shot till the Allen's fumble.

Defense played REALLY well. Let's not downplay the fact Dallas' offense only scored 1 TD.

Also loved the heart shown to come back into this game while every body from fans to the announcers had checked out.

Heck, a lot of us wanted to split with Dallas and win the other games. That's still in play. We're still in the race for a wild card spot. We just lost a one score game to a division rival that we didn't think we had any business competing with a 5 weeks ago. Not the end of the world. Not the end of the season. Not the end of our playoffs hunt!

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Great post for sure

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1303738]Great post for sure[/quote]

Thx. always hard to bitch about the zebras when we were down 24 zero at the half...
But I'm still not over the fact this was flagged as offside... we would've held them to 3 points after the intercepted screen... Big turning point in the game.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1303739]Thx. always hard to bitch about the zebras when we were down 24 zero at the half...
But I'm still not over the fact this was flagged as offside... we would've held them to 3 points after the intercepted screen... Big turning point in the game.

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I hate to be this way but man it’s because it was Dallas and the Nfl loves Jerry. There were blatant bad calls on us today and the ref even smiled at a few calls as he was calling it on air. The PI on WJ3 was trash too. Also TH got hit in the legs on a couple throws but no flag??? Fuck off Refs POS


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[quote=punch it in;1303656]We are actually still the 7 seed. So we do still control our own destiny.
Gibson man. That fumble. My God.
Heineke was just awful. He floated every freaking pass and was hesitant about running. Simply put He was awful.
I agree the D was not bad. Not at all actually well minus William Jackson. That guy is turning out to be a piss poor signing.

[B]I still, for the life of me, do not understand why Ron accepted that penalty down by our goal line when it was 3-0.[/B] What is five yards in that situation? Clearly not affecting fg range (i think i used the right word there SD lol). It would have been 3rd and 5. Sure they could have picked up the first, but i want to take away the down there and force them to gain five yards instead of giving them two cracks at a TD. If it was going to be 3rd and 1 or 2 than ok back it up. But 3rd and 5? Im forcing them to either score or gain the 5 and hoping we force the fg. That bothered the shit out of me and of course they scored on their extra third down. Plus went for two. That to me was the turning point.

This team is just always slow out of the gates. Beginning of the season. Beginning of games. It is too much to ask this team to always be playing from behind. For their season , and for the games. That is a real problem imo. Especially when you are a run first team.

A wildcard is still very much there, but man they gotta be ready to go at kickoff. Enough with we will figure it out on the fly bullshit.[/quote]

Well, to be fair. The extra play was the 2nd and 10 incompletion (outstanding coverage by Holcomb), [I][U]so accepting the penalty ended up being a smart move: they were in a [B]3rd and 10 instead of 3rd and 5[/B] ![/U][/I]
That's when we held them to an 8 yard gain... but they were bailed out by a phantom offside call on Allen !

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1303741]Well, to be fair. The extra play was the 2nd and 10 incompletion (outstanding coverage by Holcomb), [I][U]so accepting the penalty ended up being a smart move: they were in a [B]3rd and 10 instead of 3rd and 5[/B] ![/U][/I]
That's when we held them to an 8 yard gain... but they were bailed out by a phantom offside call on Allen ![/QUOTE]


1st & 10 at WSH 12
(4:43 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Elliott right guard to WAS 7 for 5 yards (Jon.Allen).

(OK BRINGS UP 2nd and 5)

2nd & 5 at WSH 7
(4:07 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete short middle to E.Elliott. DAL-Z.Martin was injured during the play. PENALTY on DAL-T.Smith, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 7 - No Play.

(THIS PENALTY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DECLINED TO MAKE IT 3rd, and 5)



2nd & 10 at WSH 12
(4:05 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete short right to E.Elliott.

(THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN 3rd and 5).


3rd & 10 at WSH 12
(4:01 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short left to A.Cooper to WAS 4 for 8 yards (K.Fuller). PENALTY on WAS-Jon.Allen, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 12 - No Play.
(THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A FG ATTEMPT)

3rd & 5 at WSH 7
(3:42 - 1st) Amari Cooper Pass From Dak Prescott for 7 Yrds TWO-POINT CONVERSION ATTEMPT. E.Elliott rushes up the
(THIS PLAY SHOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED BUT WE GAVE THEM AN EXTRA SHOT)

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1303742]1st & 10 at WSH 12
(4:43 - 1st) (Shotgun) E.Elliott right guard to WAS 7 for 5 yards (Jon.Allen).

2nd & 5 at WSH 7
(4:07 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete short middle to E.Elliott. DAL-Z.Martin was injured during the play. PENALTY on DAL-T.Smith, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 7 - No Play.

2nd & 10 at WSH 12
(4:05 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete short right to E.Elliott.


3rd & 10 at WSH 12
(4:01 - 1st) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short left to A.Cooper to WAS 4 for 8 yards (K.Fuller). PENALTY on WAS-Jon.Allen, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 12 - No Play.

3rd & 5 at WSH 7
(3:42 - 1st) Amari Cooper Pass From Dak Prescott for 7 Yrds TWO-POINT CONVERSION ATTEMPT. E.Elliott rushes up the


^ the 2nd & 10 should have been 3rd and 5.
the 3rd & 10 should have been a fg attempt.

We gave them an extra shot. Turned out not to be a smart penalty to accept.[/QUOTE]No. You're speculating that they would have made the exact same call with the exact same result on 3rd and 5 that they did on 2nd and 10. The call would have been different. Maybe they call a run. Maybe a screen. Maybe another pass. Maybe they convert the 3rd and 5. Maybe they don't. Maybe it's a pick 6 for us. Maybe they run it for a TD and Jon Allen breaks his leg on the play. We will never know.
What we know for sure is that accepting the penalty and defending the pass attempt on 2 and 10 turned a 3rd and 5 into a 3rd and 10. So it ended up being a good call. We actually successfully defended that 3rd and 10 minus the bogus call.

I'm not saying it's a no brainer. Before the fact you can argue both sides of this call. But after the fact it ended up being a good call. Your opponent being in 3rd and 10 is better than 3rd and 5.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1303743]No. You're speculating that they would have made the exact same call with the exact same result on 3rd and 5 that they did on 2nd and 10. The call would have been different. Maybe they call a run. Maybe a screen. Maybe another pass. Maybe they convert the 3rd and 5. Maybe they don't. Maybe it's a pick 6 for us. Maybe they run it for a TD and Jon Allen breaks his leg on the play. We will never know.
What we know for sure is that accepting the penalty and defending the pass attempt on 2 and 10 turned a 3rd and 5 into a 3rd and 10. So it ended up being a good call. We actually successfully defended that 3rd and 10 minus the bogus call.

I'm not saying it's a no brainer. Before the fact you can argue both sides of this call. But after the fact it ended up being a good call. Your opponent being in 3rd and 10 is better than 3rd and 5.

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Totally speculating about what they would have done on 3rd and 5, I said that in the game day thread. I just think down there you take away the down. Five yards doesnt take em outta fg range. They would have had one shot from 3rd and 5. Instead of a 2nd and 10 and 3rd and 10.

It is all hindsight but You take the down away imo and try and force the fg.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1303744]Totally speculating about what they would have done on 3rd and 5, I said that in the game day thread. I just think down there you take away the down. Five yards doesnt take em outta fg range. They would have had one shot from 3rd and 5. Instead of a 2nd and 10 and 3rd and 10.

It is all hindsight but You take the down away imo and try and force the fg.[/QUOTE]Oh I'm with you on that ! In the moment I was like "what? 3rd and 5 is better than 2nd and 10 tf is Ron thinking" !

Just saying if we're being fair it turned out being a positive in itself because 3rd 10 > 3rd and 5. But not the call I would've made either. Take the 3rd down and trust your D.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1303745]Oh I'm with you on that ! In the moment I was like "what? 3rd and 5 is better than 2nd and 10 tf is Ron thinking" !

Just saying if we're being fair it turned out being a positive in itself because 3rd 10 > 3rd and 5. But not the call I would've made either. Take the 3rd down and trust your D.

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I get what you are saying 100 percent. I just don’t think the 3rd and 10 should have happened- like you said - take 3rd and 5 and trust your D.

Anyway this was just one of those games where we were going to find a way to lose. We seriously need to not start slow against Philly and their one dimensional offense with Hurts playing.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1303746]I get what you are saying 100 percent. I just don’t think the 3rd and 10 should have happened- like you said - take 3rd and 5 and trust your D.

Anyway this was just one of those games where we were going to find a way to lose. We seriously need to not start slow against Philly and their one dimensional offense with Hurts playing.[/QUOTE]Yop.

If we're playing what ifs. I'm still curious to see how this games turns out without the bogus offside and the questionable roughing the passer on the TD play. 6 - 0 instead of 11 - 0. And even with the pick 6, 13 - 0 is not 18 - 0...
Well anyway yes, we need the offense to start playing before the 3rd quarter but still...

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1303747]Yop.

If we're playing what ifs. I'm still curious to see how this games turns out without the bogus offside and the questionable roughing the passer on the TD play. 6 - 0 instead of 11 - 0. And even with the pick 6, 13 - 0 is not 18 - 0...
Well anyway yes, we need the offense to start playing before the 3rd quarter but still...

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A whole lotta plays that could have swung this game the other way. It’s maddening lol. Hey we still control our playoff destiny - miles ahead of where we thought we would be now!

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[quote=nonniey;1303714]No I didn't say we wouldn't take him - I said it would be stupid to take him.[/quote]

It would be stupid NOT to take him.

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Heading in to work -the Cowboys fan there is going to be super boisterous. UGH

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1303753]Heading in to work -the Cowboys fan there is going to be super boisterous. UGH

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Just tell him it is too bad Dak doesn’t play defense too.

Or say “good loss” and give him a thumbs up.

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What a game to lay an egg. It does speak well for this team that in spite of being completely dominated all game they were in position to win at the end. Had Heinicke been in at the end WFT may have pulled it out. That said, WFT has to address the QB situation on the off-season. Whether through the draft or free agency this team needs a QB.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1303751]It would be stupid NOT to take him.[/QUOTE]


We will not know that until we know exactly where we are drafting and who is available if he is there. Again if there is some stud that plays S or ILB or Corner or LT - and Pickett say has an awful combine you might change your mind. Plus will there be some free agent qb?

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[quote=irish;1303755]What a game to lay an egg. It does speak well for this team that in spite of being completely dominated all game they were in position to win at the end. Had Heinicke been in at the end WFT may have pulled it out. That said, WFT has to address the QB situation on the off-season. Whether through the draft or free agency this team needs a QB.[/quote]

If DC catches that dime from Allen I think we would have eventually won the game.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1303758]If DC catches that dime from Allen I think we would have eventually won the game.[/quote]

Agree

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[quote=punch it in;1303756]We will not know that until we know exactly where we are drafting and who is available if he is there. Again if there is some stud that plays S or ILB or Corner or LT - and Pickett say has an awful combine you might change your mind. Plus will there be some free agent qb?[/quote]

If we make the playoffs we will be drafting around 18 ish, I'd imagine a guy like Ridder would still be there. Pickett prob not..

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1303760]If we make the playoffs we will be drafting around 18 ish, I'd imagine a guy like Ridder would still be there. Pickett prob not..[/QUOTE]


Exactly. we could lose out, or we could get in and sneak a win? Who knows right now. Way too early to speculate on available draft picks unless you are Detroit.

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[quote=punch it in;1303762]Exactly. we could lose out, or we could get in and sneak a win? Who knows right now. Way too early to speculate on available draft picks unless you are Detroit.[/quote]

Yeah I'm not too worried about it... We need a QB and will get one somehow.

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If I'm a Dallas fan, I'm worried about my 40M QB.. Dak has been bad for about 4-5 weeks now and they continue to talk about his leg.. He should have had 4 picks yesterday if Davis and Fuller had hands.. With all of his weapons and great OL vs a bunch of backups on our DL... Not impressed with that Cowboys O

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I wonder why we haven't played Sims that much this year? Sims often make plays whenever he has the opportunity, which is something we cannot say the same for Samuels and Brown. Sims should have been #2 WR.

The game yesterday was ugly, although I have to credit the team for not giving up until the end. It would have been easy for the team to give up early in the game but they fought until the end. It will be interesting to see how the team will perform this Sunday.