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And a 4th and 9 conversion on that drive.
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[quote=SunnySide;1332968]1/10 on 3rd down conversion, but only 1 true 3 and out possession.
Turner is handcuffed with playing calling. Heinike just limits what yo can do, makes what we do do predictable and the O line is below average. Leno left alone is becoming a problem. Outside of receivers making incredible 50-50 catches and runs up the middle ... youd think the PA would be killer. Jones ran 10/35. D goal no. 1 seemed to be not let Jones beat you with his feet so we called lots of zone vs man, spied him ... we achieved goal no. 1 but at what cost. 5 down lineman has been our answer to stopping the run past few weeks, Giants audibled out of a play early when we went 5 DL, got a nice pass play and we seemed hesitant to go 5 DL as much Sweat - Im sure he'll have a decent PFF grade but hes been Kerrigan this year, quiet for long stretches then has a big stat game. Allen/payne - Giants just doubled and chipped those guys right out of the equation. ------------ Bad luck at times, bad ref calls at times (hold on Lucas to negate a 11 yd run right before Thib scoop and score was BS) Giants were the better team.[/quote] I wished we had done a better job mixing up things on defense by bringing extra pressure on Jones. The defense only allowed 13 points, so they basically did their job. A few mishaps due to long drives. But overall, they did their job. You gotta score more points on the offensive side of the ball. Did I say I really dislike this staff? |
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[quote=MTK;1332978]And we'll be back in the QB hunt again this offseason, still haven't managed to replace Kurt. Thanks Bruce.[/quote]
- Start Howell - Re-sign Heinicke to be the backup - Draft a QB somewhere in the mid to back-half of the draft (he can be inactive on gamedays) - Through FA or the Draft, add at least 2 tackles, a G, and a C that could play G in a pinch That would be my preference for the off-season/2023. |
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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1332981]And a 4th and 9 conversion on that drive.[/quote]
I think they've been pretty good this year on 3rd down conversions, but that brought up horrible memories of years past never being able to get off of the field. Just no respect for our team, and they were right, it worked easily. |
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[quote=mooby;1332976]This is true but Ron has filled the position with stopgaps since Haskins left - he is as much to blame here as Scott Turner.[/quote]
Who realistically could we have gotten though? It was Wentz or Mayfield or Trubisky for us. Kinda fortunate Stafford and Wilson didnt want to come here. ------------ Until we solve the QB puzzle, we will forever be a .500 ish at best team. ---- I think Carr could be a realistic option and I think hed allow us to run a full playbook. Hes not a top 10 QB but hes "functional" |
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Oh! I almost forgot.... Riverboat Ron decided to punt when we were on the Giants' 34.
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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1332960]That last play was so bad even Dallas and Philly fans are saying we got fucked[/QUOTE]
[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221219/58ab36a4de6ef842701dbd5c0fcae9f3.jpg[/IMG] Had Mike Florio questioning whether or not this guy is the Tim Donaghy of the NFL. Says there will be a 30/30 on the betting and fixing in the nfl one day. These guys don’t make enough money to look away from a fat paycheck from some wise guy. |
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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1332964]Despite the bs from the refs, if you're going to be a real playoff team you bury the Giants at home. We are not good enough to do that. It's the same old same old.. Heinicke, play calling, Turner, o-line..
Why do you run Samuel into the teeth of the defense and take BR out of the game? How stupid is that? Why does Ron let that happen? That is the dumbest shit ever. Take out BR who is running over the Giants and then give the ball to your 185lb WR to run up the middle. SMH...[/QUOTE] After he got stuffed twice already. It is mind numbing that with BR and Gibson we ran a wr into the teeth of their defense. Turner wouldn’t be in this league but for his last name. |
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[QUOTE=PorkSkins;1332989]Oh! I almost forgot.... Riverboat Ron decided to punt when we were on the Giants' 34.[/QUOTE]
For a net gain of 4 yards. Lol. There are so many reasons this awful HC and staff lost that have nothing to do with the refs. |
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[quote=punch it in;1332936]Let’s not let Ron off the hook.[/quote]
I don't think anyone is. All of the problems we have now are the same as those we had in the offseason. Thats down to Ron. We saw enough of Heinicke last year to know who he is, I don't consider him to even be much of a backup option. Given his history, Wentz was bound to miss a few games through injury, so we were going to need a competent backup, Heinicke isn't that. The lack of depth at CB and LB, Bostic in particular, have been obvious to anyone with eyes who is not in denial. Imagine where we would be if Davis hadn't improved. The OL was sacrificed to get Wentz, but the other QBs they were after would have cost twice as much, so acting like the cap crunch was an unexpected event is just stupidity or lack of planning As for Scott Turner, Ron hired him over arguably a better candidate because of loyalty. He helped Ron get fired in Carolina but Rons mindset is he would rather be comfortable with his staff than being critical of their performance. He even gave Turner a contract extension in the off season, Ron most owe Norv big time. Why is it they need to magically re "discover" the concept of running the ball a couple of times each year, but only after we have lost a bunch of winnable games It is all down to Ron |
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[quote=SunnySide;1332988]Who realistically could we have gotten though?
It was Wentz or Mayfield or Trubisky for us. Kinda fortunate Stafford and Wilson didnt want to come here. ------------ Until we solve the QB puzzle, we will forever be a .500 ish at best team. ---- I think Carr could be a realistic option and I think hed allow us to run a full playbook. Hes not a top 10 QB but hes "functional"[/quote] Him or Goff (if Lions draft a guy) would be clear upgrades over what we have. |
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[quote=PorkSkins;1332989]Oh! I almost forgot.... Riverboat Ron decided to punt when we were on the Giants' 34.[/quote]
He obviously felt that Slye couldn't make it and had no confidence in the offense. I can't kill Ron for that. He was hoping to pin them inside the 10 and play defense. |
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[quote=punch it in;1332990][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221219/58ab36a4de6ef842701dbd5c0fcae9f3.jpg[/IMG]
Had Mike Florio questioning whether or not this guy is the Tim Donaghy of the NFL. Says there will be a 30/30 on the betting and fixing in the nfl one day. These guys don’t make enough money to look away from a fat paycheck from some wise guy.[/quote] That’s probably the best shot I’ve seen of the missed PI. Wtf, the guy literally on his back |
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Slye has a perfect last name. He is shifty, he has made some big kicks, but I still don't trust him. Him kicking a FG is almost as nerve wracking as Heinicke throwing the ball more than 10 yards.
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[quote=Chico23231;1332997]That’s probably the best shot I’ve seen of the missed PI. Wtf, the guy literally on his back[/quote]
Even before the ball got anywhere near Samuel he was grabbing him. That was illegal contact before it was even pass interference. He commited 2 penalties. WE GOT FUCKED. |
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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1333000]Even before the ball got anywhere near Samuel he was grabbing him. That was illegal contact before it was even pass interference. He commited 2 penalties. WE GOT FUCKED.[/quote]
Sure were, but doesn't alter the fact that it is 2022 and average NFL offences score 30 on teams like the Giants so they are not dependent on officials calling the game correctly (or honestly) at the end. We are reliant on favourable refereeing decisions to win, and you know that is no way to win |
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[quote=EdmundDorf;1333002]Sure were, but doesn't alter the fact that it is 2022 and average NFL offences score 30 on teams like the Giants so they are not dependent on officials calling the game correctly (or honestly) at the end. We are reliant on favourable refereeing decisions to win, and you know that is no way to win[/quote]
Yeah, we lost by just about every controllable and non-controllable way possible. Defense had some hiccups, but 13 points is 13 points, so they did their jobs. But everything else we did, and the referees, were complete failures. |
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I dont think we need to say more....
JP Finlay on Twitter Brian Robinson got 4 carries in the second half of that game. Antonio Gibson had 1 second half carry. |
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[quote=EdmundDorf;1333007]I dont think we need to say more....
JP Finlay on Twitter Brian Robinson got 4 carries in the second half of that game. Antonio Gibson had 1 second half carry.[/quote] Trying to watch a game with Scott Turner calling plays: [IMG]https://www.gifcen.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/facepalm-gif-4.gif[/IMG] |
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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1332985]I think they've been pretty good this year on 3rd down conversions, but that brought up horrible memories of years past never being able to get off of the field. Just no respect for our team, and they were right, it worked easily.[/quote]
Hats of to Daboll. Looking at the situation, up 7-3 headed into two minute drill and getting the ball back to start the third. The safe play is punt knowing you are likely keeping the lead. The Giants have played pretty conservatively all season. You were going to have to beat them they weren't going to beat themselves. The way I see it a high risk move like 4th and 9 at the 35 couldn't have been that risky, they saw something they knew they could exploit. |
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[quote=SunnySide;1332977]3-7 in the first half
Giants pinned to their 3 yd line. Giants reel off an 18 play, 97 yard TD drive that ate up 8:35 mins[/quote] 102 yard td drive - they had to overcome a 5 yard penalty en route. Truly a masterpiece in back-breaking. |
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[quote=punch it in;1332991]After he got stuffed twice already. It is mind numbing that with BR and Gibson we ran a wr into the teeth of their defense. Turner wouldn’t be in this league but for his last name.[/quote]
I don't understand Turner's logic. You can't be stupid being an NFL OC but I literally think he is stupid. Samuel is not strong enough to run the ball into NFL d-linemen and LB's. He ain't moving the pile. Keep him on the outside running his sweeps. I want to ask Turner what the fuck are you thinking there? Why would you risk injury to one of you wr's doing that? You have a fucking horse who is running over the Giants and you take him out. |
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[quote=EdmundDorf;1333007]I dont think we need to say more....
JP Finlay on Twitter Brian Robinson got 4 carries in the second half of that game. Antonio Gibson had 1 second half carry.[/quote] Down 3-14 at half. 1st possession of second half we go 6 plays, 91 yards for a Tiddy. Score is 9-14 giants get FG on their next possession, 9-17 2nd possession - run, pass, run, punt 3rd possession - run, run, run, pass, run, pass, FG Score is 12-17 4th possession (5 plays, 77 yds gained) - pass, run, run, pass, QB fumble on NYG's 9 yard line Giants go 9 plays, 4:11 off clock, FG score is 12-20 ... 5th possession - 2 min drive down to their goaline, B Rob actually scores then flags and then no flags -------------------------------------- Turner sucks ... but dialed up a must have 2 min drive to get into the EZ before BS flags Turner sucks .. but dialed up 91 yard TD scoring drive to start the 2nd half down double digits |
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[quote=SunnySide;1333015]Down 3-14 at half.
1st possession of second half we go 6 plays, 91 yards for a Tiddy. Score is 9-14 giants get FG on their next possession, 9-17 2nd possession - run, pass, run, punt 3rd possession - run, run, run, pass, run, pass, FG Score is 12-17 4th possession (5 plays, 77 yds gained) - pass, run, run, pass, QB fumble on NYG's 9 yard line Giants go 9 plays, 4:11 off clock, FG score is 12-20 ... 5th possession - 2 min drive down to their goaline, B Rob actually scores then flags and then no flags -------------------------------------- Turner sucks ... but dialed up a must have 2 min drive to get into the EZ before BS flags [B]Turner sucks .. but dialed up 91 yard TD scoring drive to start the 2nd half down double digits[/B][/quote] That is the most frustrating thing. He can dial up some beautiful drives. But then the next drive he will revert right back to calling stupid shit. He just can't stick with plays that we have a constant/real chance of actually running effectively. Or apparently realize when plays aren't working, such as the Samuel runs. I'm not against jet sweeps, but the Giants were locked in on him on run plays. We wasted I believe 5 plays on handing him the ball when it was clearly not working that game. We are limited, we cannot withstand penalties or wasted plays. We have to be extremely efficient to have a chance of scoring. |
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[quote=PorkSkins;1332989]Oh! I almost forgot.... Riverboat Ron decided to punt when we were on the Giants' 34.[/quote]
I don't even hold that against him, plenty of other bad things to bitch about. The wind was in Slye's face, kicking a 50 yarder into the wind? Bad idea. He played the field position game instead and lost. |
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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1333016]That is the most frustrating thing. He can dial up some beautiful drives. But then the next drive he will revert right back to calling stupid shit.
He just can't stick with plays that we have a constant/real chance of actually running effectively. Or apparently realize when plays aren't working, such as the Samuel runs. I'm not against jet sweeps, but the Giants were locked in on him on run plays. We wasted I believe 5 plays on handing him the ball when it was clearly not working that game. We are limited, we cannot withstand penalties or wasted plays. We have to be extremely efficient to have a chance of scoring.[/quote] 1. We do a lot of jet sweep motion looks but havent actually ran a jet sweep play in a while (where ball gets handed off to receiver in motion) 2. I dont like the idea of running Samuel on 3rd and 3 up the middle but I dont remember if we were in empty back set or not. If its an empty back set look, not bad thinking trying to get the Giants to match your personnel, then you have 5 guys to block 4 and Samuel just needs to pick the right lane/crease. I think Samuel made a bad decision to cut it right were there was a lane but had 2 giant defenders closing in on that gap. I gotta see the 3rd and 3 play again. 3. I wish Turner would call more slants to Terry, more screens, more bubbles .. the quick pass play stuff that worked okay last year. --------------- JUST THROW TERRY FUCKING SLANTS like 5 a game Heinike cant seem to read or trust himself on mesh concepts .. which is basic QBing 101. Got single high safety? Throw the deep ball route. Got quarters? Read and recognize and make teh quick decision to throw underneath and get 5 yards. |
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[quote=SunnySide;1333015]Down 3-14 at half.
1st possession of second half we go 6 plays, 91 yards for a Tiddy. Score is 9-14 giants get FG on their next possession, 9-17 2nd possession - run, pass, run, punt 3rd possession - run, run, run, pass, run, pass, FG Score is 12-17 4th possession (5 plays, 77 yds gained) - pass, run, run, pass, QB fumble on NYG's 9 yard line Giants go 9 plays, 4:11 off clock, FG score is 12-20 ... 5th possession - 2 min drive down to their goaline, B Rob actually scores then flags and then no flags -------------------------------------- [B]Turner sucks ... but dialed up a must have 2 min drive to get into the EZ before BS flags[/B] T[B]urner sucks .. but dialed up 91 yard TD scoring drive to start the 2nd half down double digits[/B][/quote] Agree I kind of give turner a pass its like asking a carpenter to build a house but his tools are plastic utensils; if you are expecting a great house that carpenter better be Jesus and I am talking about the Jesus you pronounce with a J not a H. |
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[quote=mooby;1333017]I don't even hold that against him, plenty of other bad things to bitch about.
The wind was in Slye's face, kicking a 50 yarder into the wind? Bad idea. He played the field position game instead and lost.[/quote] I hold it against him, if you determine you can't kick the FG there, at the opponent's 34 you go for it. Don't punt when the best you can reasonably expect to do is net 24 on the punt. |
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[quote=Schneed10;1333021]I hold it against him, if you determine you can't kick the FG there, at the opponent's 34 you go for it. Don't punt when the best you can reasonably expect to do is net 24 on the punt.[/quote]
Two things I will never ever understand.. Kicking a FG inside the 10 regardless if it's 4 & Goal from the 10 Or Punting inside the opponents 40. Both are stupid as hell unless the game is on the line in both instances. |
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[quote=punch it in;1332990][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221219/58ab36a4de6ef842701dbd5c0fcae9f3.jpg[/IMG]
Had Mike Florio questioning whether or not this guy is the Tim Donaghy of the NFL. Says there will be a 30/30 on the betting and fixing in the nfl one day. These guys don’t make enough money to look away from a fat paycheck from some wise guy.[/quote] Where can I hear Florio's interview? |
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[quote=punch it in;1332992]For a net gain of 4 yards. Lol. There are so many reasons this awful HC and staff lost that have nothing to do with the refs.[/quote]
This staff, mainly Rivera and Turner, are a MAJOR reason for our poor start and losing last night's game. If these bums can garner 7 wins, then I'm fairly positive a better staff would have no less than 10 wins right now with this current roster. |
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[quote=skinsfan69;1332996]He obviously felt that Slye couldn't make it and had no confidence in the offense. I can't kill Ron for that. He was hoping to pin them inside the 10 and play defense.[/quote]
I hated the call as Slye has proven that distance is definitely in his range. |
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[quote=skinsfaninok;1333024]Punting inside the opponents 40.[/quote]
If Rivera felt the wind was a factor, then go for it as you mentioned and stated above by someone else. Don't freakin' punt the ball on the opponents' 34. Kick the FG or go for it. |
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[quote=Schneed10;1333021]I hold it against him, if you determine you can't kick the FG there, [B]at the opponent's 34 you go for it[/B]. Don't punt when the best you can reasonably expect to do is net 24 on the punt.[/quote]
Definitely would've been the better choice. |
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[quote=SunnySide;1333019]1. We do a lot of jet sweep motion looks but havent actually ran a jet sweep play in a while (where ball gets handed off to receiver in motion)
2. I dont like the idea of running Samuel on 3rd and 3 up the middle but I dont remember if we were in empty back set or not. If its an empty back set look, not bad thinking trying to get the Giants to match your personnel, then you have 5 guys to block 4 and Samuel just needs to pick the right lane/crease. I think Samuel made a bad decision to cut it right were there was a lane but had 2 giant defenders closing in on that gap. I gotta see the 3rd and 3 play again. 3. I wish Turner would call more slants to Terry, more screens, more bubbles .. the quick pass play stuff that worked okay last year. --------------- [B]JUST THROW TERRY FUCKING SLANTS like 5 a game [/B] Heinike cant seem to read or trust himself on mesh concepts .. which is basic QBing 101. Got single high safety? Throw the deep ball route. Got quarters? Read and recognize and make teh quick decision to throw underneath and get 5 yards.[/quote] I don't understand this either - the slant does not exist in Turner's playbook. |
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[quote=PorkSkins;1333030]If Rivera felt the wind was a factor, then go for it as you mentioned and stated above by someone else. Don't freakin' punt the ball on the opponents' 34.
Kick the FG or go for it.[/quote] Our 2 best features is our D and our punter. Play to your strengths. Ball control and field position is our offense ....... in the year 2022. Im sure it had a high "surrender" rate though. |
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That punt returner duped the camera man, our players, and myself. Good job by him. Terrible job by us.
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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1333007]I dont think we need to say more....
JP Finlay on Twitter Brian Robinson got 4 carries in the second half of that game. Antonio Gibson had 1 second half carry.[/QUOTE] I legit cannot decide who I want fired more Ron or Scott. Talk about a couple of losers. |
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[QUOTE=PorkSkins;1333025]Where can I hear Florio's interview?[/QUOTE]
I heard it on his sirius show this morning. There are a couple guys on it - both in agreement- but I believe it was Florio who was going off about the sport being compromised. |
Offense Sucks/Turner Sucks/Refs Suck Post-Game Thread
If we lose to SF, praying we find a way to win, but if we lose our season is over. Lions and Giants will get the last two spots. At that point if I see anyone other than Howell under center Ill consider a boycott until Ron is shitcanned. What on Earth do we gain from playing noodle arm or wentz in the final two games? We lose the ability to see what we have in Sam and build accordingly- hopefully without dipshit playing GM again - in the offseason.
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