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[quote=punch it in;1338313]Our offense was putrid last year Schneed. Especially when we got down around the opponents 40. How many times did you say wtf is Turner doing? I said it at least 5 times a game. Especially down in that area. Again, without an improved Oline our Offense will struggle. But a better playcall, a more mobile qb, and a more accurate throw probably result in another score here and there. I don’t think that is a far fetched assumption. There were plenty of times last year our oline held their own and we all asked wtf was that playcall or who the hell was he throwing to? We got a solid D, and plenty of weapons on offense. I think a more capable qb and OC would have had us in the playoffs last year. If you want to argue that Sam is better than Taylor or Carson well that is another story. I certainly think he is/will be.

[B]Anyway fix the oline and couple that with EB and Sam[/B] and the offensive problems most definitely go away.[/quote]

OK we're mostly [B]saying[/B] the same thing then, maybe you're saying it with a bit more optimism.

Howell's going to have a learning curve. The bad INT in the end zone against Dallas was indicative of the kind of growing pain we'll have with a young guy. Will he be better than what Heinicke gave us? Better arm, for sure. Pretty mobile, EB will like having that tool in the toolbox.

But if he makes shitbird decisions under pressure then it's all for naught. We don't know what we have there at QB, we only have hope. One thing's for sure, to give him a chance he needs a better line, that much we clearly agree on.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1338317]OK we're mostly [B]saying[/B] the same thing then, maybe you're saying it with a bit more optimism.

Howell's going to have a learning curve. The bad INT in the end zone against Dallas was indicative of the kind of growing pain we'll have with a young guy. Will he be better than what Heinicke gave us? Better arm, for sure. Pretty mobile, EB will like having that tool in the toolbox.

But if he makes shitbird decisions under pressure then it's all for naught. We don't know what we have there at QB, we only have hope. One thing's for sure, to give him a chance he needs a better line, that much we clearly agree on.[/QUOTE]


Total optimism. It’s February. Lol
I blame that int on first game jitters. It was awful though. I would trade back in the first and grab Torrence out of Florida. Beast of a Guard.

On defense improve mlb and corner.

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[quote=punch it in;1338320]Total optimism. It’s February. Lol
I blame that int on first game jitters. It was awful though. I would trade back in the first and grab Torrence out of Florida. Beast of a Guard.

On defense improve mlb and corner.[/quote]

If we get the right depth on the line I agree we could take off. I suggest everyone read this terrific Mark Bullock analysis of the Eric Bieniemy offense with the Chiefs. It focuses on the run scheme; he calls a mix of power, zone, and RPO. Bullock takes you through how the linemen react.

[URL="https://markbullock.substack.com/p/what-the-commanders-offense-will"]What the Commanders' Offense Will Look Like With Bieniemy[/URL]

For me the big takeaway is he's going to need agile linemen who are sturdy enough to mix in Power. Sam Cosmi probably has a place in that world. Chris Paul might if he can be consistent enough. But to me it says we need a pretty big overhaul of our line. Leno can pass protect OK but is he agile enough for a zone scheme? Can Roullier or Larsen move well enough after so many injuries? Can Schweitzer do anything but Power?

I think we're looking at a pretty big overhaul of the line and I'm not sure that's a bad thing. But it's definitely a critical thing to get right.

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Who is calling the shots on these personnel moves for the O line? I think the brain trust here scares me more than the fact that we need to overhaul the line.

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[quote=punch it in;1338324]Who is calling the shots on these personnel moves for the O line? I think the brain trust here scares me more than the fact that we need to overhaul the line.[/quote]

Pretty sure EB will have a lot of input given his Asst. Head Coach title, and it would not surprise me if this was widely discussed in his interview/deal negotiation process. It is obvious that Ron is turning the keys to the offense over to him.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1338325]Pretty sure EB will have a lot of input given his Asst. Head Coach title, and it would not surprise me if this was widely discussed in his interview/deal negotiation process. It is obvious that Ron is turning the keys to the offense over to him.[/QUOTE]


I hope so.

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[quote=SunnySide;1338306][B]EB is a better quality candidate than youd imagine we could land at this odd lame duck year coming up. [/B]

Im guessing hes one of the top 5 highest paid Coordinators.

Good for us. Not sure it adds a W to our record next year but it should be interesting to see a new philosophy.[/quote]

I've been saying from the start I wasn't buying this "no qualified guy would want to come here" narrative, there are only 32 NFL OC jobs on Planet Earth, we have some very exciting offensive weapons, if we fix the OL this is a good spot to be in. And the ownership situation doesn't make this job [I]that much more uncertain than any other OC position[/I]. A bit more uncertain ? For sure. More uncertain to the point you'd turn down the job? I don't think so, and a guy who's been viewed as a future HC for several seasons thought so too.

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LeSean Shady Mccoy
@CutonDime25
I wish him WELL but Washington don’t let the chiefs SUCCESS or coaching titles fool y’all… the traits or skills you need to be a good coordinator I haven’t seen or WITNESSED it …

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1338334][B]I've been saying from the start I wasn't buying this "no qualified guy would want to come here" narrative[/B], there are only 32 NFL OC jobs on Planet Earth, we have some very exciting offensive weapons, if we fix the OL this is a good spot to be in. And the ownership situation doesn't make this job [I]that much more uncertain than any other OC position[/I]. A bit more uncertain ? For sure. More uncertain to the point you'd turn down the job? I don't think so, and a guy who's been viewed as a future HC for several seasons thought so too.[/quote]

But but no one else offered EB a job.

I am glad we have him but the jury is definitely still out.

In my mind EB and the Ravens, assuming they get #8 back, was a match made in heaven.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1338349]LeSean Shady Mccoy
@CutonDime25
I wish him WELL but Washington don’t let the chiefs SUCCESS or coaching titles fool y’all… the traits or skills you need to be a good coordinator I haven’t seen or WITNESSED it …[/quote]

Heard about this yesterday too, and that a lot of the veteran players did not care for EB because he apparently is really tough on his players and a stickler for perfection. I am sure this will be a big left turn from the way Scott Turner coached the offense, but then again...they weren't that good so, put up or shut up.

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[quote=Redskins247;1338351]Heard about this yesterday too, and that a lot of the veteran players did not care for EB because he apparently is really tough on his players and a stickler for perfection. I am sure this will be a big left turn from the way Scott Turner coached the offense, but then again...they weren't that good so, put up or shut up.[/quote]

McCoy was a diva both in Buffalo and KC; EB is known for being tough as nails coach with anyone, so you do the math. For every Shady McCoy or Leveon Bell who whine about the way EB coached, there is a Jamaal Charles and Adrian Peterson who appreciated EBs coaching style and sing his praises.

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If it was Jay Gruden's team and EB came here, yeah, I'd be scared that he would disrupt Club Jay. While Rivera might not be as outspoken, he doesn't put up with shit either. Regardless of how the team has performed the past couple of years, if anything, you could say it's more of a "team" atmosphere with peeps like Allen and Terry holding people accountable.

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I get the feeling that this is either going to be a home run type of hire, or it's going to be a total disaster. No in between.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1338355]If it was Jay Gruden's team and EB came here, yeah, I'd be scared that he would disrupt Club Jay. While Rivera might not be as outspoken, he doesn't put up with shit either. Regardless of how the team has performed the past couple of years, if anything, you could say it's more of a "team" atmosphere with peeps like Allen and Terry holding people accountable.[/quote]

I think EB style fits in perfect with Ron and JDR. Turner always seemed to be doing his own thing.

When I hear someone like Shady McCoy criticizing EB….it doesn’t make EB look bad, it’s a reflection of McCoy. Everyone and their mama can see McCoy was just another diva bitch who demanded special treatment

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I don't like my O.C., he cares too much about attention to detail. Lol. Damn coach, stop trying to win so much!!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1338361]I don't like my O.C., he cares too much about attention to detail. Lol. Damn coach, stop trying to win so much!![/quote]

Isn't Bill Belichick the same way?

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[quote=Chico23231;1338359]I think EB style fits in perfect with Ron and JDR. Turner always seemed to be doing his own thing.

When I hear someone like Shady McCoy criticizing EB….it doesn’t make EB look bad, it’s a reflection of McCoy. Everyone and their mama can see McCoy was just another diva bitch who demanded special treatment[/quote]

I think EB told McCoy that his skills were in decline and that he was washed up, which was the truth. I remember at that time he wasn't playing that much and didn't like it.

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Speaking of Jamaal Charles, his response to McCoy bad mouthing EB:

@jamaalcharles
I have to disagree with you Shady. Bieniemy Coach me 4 years I learned so many thing for EB and I still keep in contact with him a great husband and father. He deserves to be a head coach.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1338362]Isn't Bill Belichick the same way?[/quote]

I would certainly think so. I mean, I would think that's a trait of most good coaches.

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[quote=mredskins;1338350]But but no one else offered EB a job.

I am glad we have him but the jury is definitely still out.

In my mind EB and the Ravens, assuming they get #8 back, was a match made in heaven.[/quote]

He must be a bad interviewee or something... But he's still a regularly talked about HC candidate, to me that topples low key profiles that supposedly we couldn't do better than. You're right though, the jury is still out. And the fact he took this job tells me he knows it to some extent.

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The whinefest by Sheehan and Thom is pathetic about the EB hire. As well as the conspiracy theories about why and how he ended up here. Joyless stuff

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I don't listen to them. Who were their preferred OC candidates?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1338378]I don't listen to them. Who were their preferred OC candidates?[/quote]

Sheehan sounded like Roman. Thom, it doesn’t really matter…he would bitch about anyone.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1338356]I get the feeling that this is either going to be a home run type of hire, or it's going to be a total disaster. No in between.[/quote]

It's all going to depend on getting the QB puzzle solved.

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[quote=Chico23231;1338377]The whinefest by Sheehan and Thom is pathetic about the EB hire. As well as the conspiracy theories about why and how he ended up here. Joyless stuff[/quote]

I mostly dismiss whatever Thom says because he likes to just ride the negativity and get under people's skin.

But I do share in Sheehan's skepticism when it comes to EB getting passed over for countless HC jobs and landing here, one of the biggest shit hole franchises in all of sports.

Ultimately though EB really had no choice, go back to KC or break out on his own even if it meant a quasi lateral move with a dumpster fire of a franchise. He needed us even more than we needed him.

I'm cautiously optimistic on EB, the far bigger issues are at QB and ownership.

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[quote=MTK;1338389]I mostly dismiss whatever Thom says because he likes to just ride the negativity and get under people's skin.

But I do share in Sheehan's skepticism when it comes to EB getting passed over for countless HC jobs and landing here, one of the biggest shit hole franchises in all of sports.

Ultimately though EB really had no choice, go back to KC or break out on his own even if it meant a quasi lateral move with a dumpster fire of a franchise. He needed us even more than we needed him.

I'm cautiously optimistic on EB, the far bigger issues are at QB and ownership.[/quote]

I think it’s reasonable to be skeptical, but in the same breath Ron deserves credit for getting EB and they did much better than the expect going with someone internal, or Pat Schumer. Etc.

The problem is with Roman, when Sheehan brings him up, he overlooks the fact the much better Baltimore Ravens Org fired Roman. They parted ways, so no skepticism there?

I think there is reason for excitement with the EB hire

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[quote=Chico23231;1338392]I think it’s reasonable to be skeptical, but in the same breath Ron deserves credit for getting EB and they did much better than the expect going with someone internal, or Pat Schumer. Etc.

The problem is with Roman, when Sheehan brings him up, he overlooks the fact the much better Baltimore Ravens Org fired Roman. They parted ways, so no skepticism there?

I think there is reason for excitement with the EB hire[/quote]

Roman wasn't fired he resigned. Maybe he would have been fired anyway, but it's worth noting the distinction.

Totally agree Ron deserves credit for swinging big on EB. I'm sure his relationship with Reid helped.

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[quote=MTK;1338389]I mostly dismiss whatever Thom says because he likes to just ride the negativity and get under people's skin.

But I do share in Sheehan's skepticism when it comes to EB getting passed over for countless HC jobs and landing here, one of the biggest shit hole franchises in all of sports.

Ultimately though EB really had no choice, go back to KC or break out on his own even if it meant a quasi lateral move with a dumpster fire of a franchise. He needed us even more than we needed him.

I'm cautiously optimistic on EB, [B]the far bigger issues are at QB and ownership.[/B][/quote]

This is the way. Hopefully both of those are solved this offseason, Howell is an unknown but he flashed a little in week 18. In another month we should be talking about a new owner as well - Ron is gambling big hoping the new owner won't clean house immediately on arrival.

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" I've been in the rooms where he's been coaching and he has nothing to do w/ the pass game, right? When the plays are designed, that's Andy Reid!" - Leshawn McCoy.

OUCH. I guess he and EB aren't going to be sharing any meals or exchanging Christmas cards.

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Pretty sure McCoy was benched by EB in KC. Not crazy to think he has a bit of an axe to grind there.

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[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/22/former-chiefs-teammates-rip-lesean-mccoy-defend-eric-bieniemy/[/url]

Multiple players rejecting McCoys view

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[quote=Chico23231;1338392]I think it’s reasonable to be skeptical, but in the same breath Ron deserves credit for getting EB and they did much better than the expect going with someone internal, or Pat Schumer. Etc.

The problem is with Roman, when Sheehan brings him up, he overlooks the fact the much better Baltimore Ravens Org fired Roman. They parted ways, so no skepticism there?

I think there is reason for excitement with the EB hire[/quote]

They also parted way with Wink Martindale? It's the NFL one year you're fired the next year you NFL Coach of the year.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1338403][url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/22/former-chiefs-teammates-rip-lesean-mccoy-defend-eric-bieniemy/[/url]

Multiple players rejecting McCoys view[/quote]

Ouch, Shady getting ripped a new one.

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[quote=Giantone;1338404]They also parted way with Wink Martindale? It's the NFL one year you're fired the next year you NFL Coach of the year.[/quote]

Wink is a great coach, I didn’t get that one.

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McCoy has so much salt in his vag.

Let's let Bieniemy sink or swim on his own here with an open mind. Let the positivity flow through you.

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[quote=MTK;1338408]Ouch, Shady getting ripped a new one.[/quote]

I almost dropped my phone when I saw this post by Tyreek Hill:

@cheetah
Shady mad Eb told him tuck that ball 😂

:rofl:

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1338349]LeSean Shady Mccoy
@CutonDime25
I wish him WELL but Washington don’t let the chiefs SUCCESS or coaching titles fool y’all… the traits or skills you need to be a good coordinator I haven’t seen or WITNESSED it …[/QUOTE]


Lol @ Shady. Dude hasn’t been relevant in how many years? Was in KC for one year and is sour grapes because he wasn’t really used much.

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Well one thing is for sure, EB won the press conference. I know it's just the press conference but hard not to be impressed by EB.

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The presser today makes the notion that he doesn't interview well even more strange. He's a great communicator.

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I came away impressed as well. Of course it's all talk at this point, but there is reason for optimism.