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Interesting but i think it’s BS ; plus BAL can keep him

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It was a prank

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/.amp/news/pranked-schefter-baltimore-ravens-verge-lamar-jackson-trade[/url]

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1338806]Jason La Canfora? Him and Mike florio might be the worst sources in the NFL[/QUOTE]


and both have linked Lamar to us lol but I agree with u


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Pass on LJ.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1338807]Trading for Wentz was by far the biggest mistake. It hamstrung the ability to upgrade the rest of the roster, taking on that contract. That being said, I don't fault RR for trying something at the QB position. He couldn't just go with Taylor Heinicke - although in hindsight that may have been the better move. The point is, he knew he needed to upgrade the QB position. Wentz was a last resort I'm sure. There was a chance it could have worked out, but it didn't. At least he drafted a QB in Howell and had an out with Wentz's contract.

Not bringing in a more experienced OC was mistake #2. I think the Turner experiment was wrong. He's not his Dad. Maybe he'll end up being a good OC someday, but he just couldn't get out of his own way here, and the suspect OL and QB play was not his friend.

Beyond that, I have no issues with RR. The record doesn't necessarily reflect the coach he is in my opinion. He's done the best he can with the resources he has available to him, which as we are finding out more and more - are and have been limited. Has he made mistakes, sure. The two above are the most glaring, but he's made some in-game mistakes, too. But people on here act like no other coaches - even really good ones - make mistakes with challenges and timeouts, and the like... Or that he's the only 'stoic' head coach roaming the sidelines. The man's been through a lot. I personally appreciate that he is even-keeled.[/QUOTE]


It is the whole 3-8-1 overall season record thing that sticks in my craw. A majority of which had nothing to do with Snyder. That is a lot of losing seasons Chief.

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I agree. It's not good. But no head coach in this league wins more than he loses if he doesn't have above average QB play AND a decent defense.

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I don't want to sound like a broken record for a second off-season in a row, so I'll say it once : we need to sign a proven ILB.

Less than last year but still[URL="https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/linebacker/all/"] a lot of options in FA[/URL], I know we'll also need to be spending on the Oline (can't fix this burning mess only via the draft) but I'd be fine with spending some $ on [I]Deion Jones[/I], what do you guys think ?

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1338822]I don't want to sound like a broken record for a second off-season in a row, so I'll say it once : we need to sign a proven ILB.

Less than last year but still[URL="https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/linebacker/all/"] a lot of options in FA[/URL], I know we'll also need to be spending on the Oline (can't fix this burning mess only via the draft) but I'd be fine with spending some $ on [I]Deion Jones[/I], what do you guys think ?[/QUOTE]


ILB is second on my list of wants behind oline. Ahead of cb. Im fine with Jones or any other proven vet or a draft pick. Just fix it along with the oline for the love of God.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1338822]I don't want to sound like a broken record for a second off-season in a row, so I'll say it once : we need to sign a proven ILB.

Less than last year but still[URL="https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/linebacker/all/"] a lot of options in FA[/URL], I know we'll also need to be spending on the Oline (can't fix this burning mess only via the draft) but I'd be fine with spending some $ on [I]Deion Jones[/I], what do you guys think ?[/quote]

I'd also prioritise LB and probably 2 OL in FA. The draft is pretty deep at CB and to some degree OL. I like the idea of someone like Porter at #16 rather than trading down, so we then have some freedom to pursue BPA or trade to maximise our remaining picks.

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[quote=punch it in;1338828]ILB is second on my list of wants behind oline. Ahead of cb. Im fine with Jones or any other proven vet or a draft pick. Just fix it along with the oline for the love of God.[/quote]

Agreed. Yes we need some depth at CB, but Fuller, St Juste, Kurl, Forrest is a functional starting secondary... Davis + Mayo just isn't a LB squad.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1338832]Agreed. Yes we need some depth at CB, but Fuller, St Juste, Kurl, Forrest is a functional starting secondary... Davis + Mayo just isn't a LB squad.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. Davis definitely upped his game last year which was good. Hopefully he keeps progressing.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1338820]I agree. It's not good. But no head coach in this league wins more than he loses if he doesn't have above average QB play AND a decent defense.[/QUOTE]


I feel like he had both those things for more than just a couple of losing seasons in Carolina. Anyway he will be our HC next year and I hope he puts another notch in the winning season column. He better because he is on the hot seat….

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[url]https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-vikings-release-linebacker-eric-kendricks-clear-salary-cap-space/600256560/[/url]

Vikings release longtime linebacker Eric Kendricks to clear $9.5 million in cap space

If we are looking to upgrade the LB position and pair someone with Davis…another guy on the streets

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[quote=Meks;1338814]Pass on LJ.[/quote]

Agree 100%. Don't want to give a HUGE 100% guaranteed contract to an undersized injury prone QB that will be hurt half of each year. It's why Baltimore is hesitant to resign him. Would set us back 10 years IMO.

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[quote=Chico23231;1338841][url]https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-vikings-release-linebacker-eric-kendricks-clear-salary-cap-space/600256560/[/url]

Vikings release longtime linebacker Eric Kendricks to clear $9.5 million in cap space

If we are looking to upgrade the LB position and pair someone with Davis…another guy on the streets[/quote]

Yep.

I like Holcomb but when was the last time he finished a complete season without playing injured or being out with injury?

We need a solid mike that doesn't have injury issues.

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No tag for Orlando Brown Jr.

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Chiefs' decision to not tag Orlando Brown came down to, I'm told, their desire to lock in a long-term LT this offseason. Tagging Brown doesn't do it. It'd basically guarantee he's free in '24, make it harder to do a deal (bc of the $20M number) now.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1338848]Yep.

I like Holcomb but when was the last time he finished a complete season without playing injured or being out with injury?

We need a solid mike that doesn't have injury issues.[/QUOTE]


I want someone better even if healthy. He would be a great depth guy.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1338855]No tag for Orlando Brown Jr.

@AlbertBreer
Chiefs' decision to not tag Orlando Brown came down to, I'm told, their desire to lock in a long-term LT this offseason. Tagging Brown doesn't do it. It'd basically guarantee he's free in '24, make it harder to do a deal (bc of the $20M number) now.[/quote]

I wouldn't oppose to the idea of signing him but he will be expensive and he isn't on Trent Williams' level so I'm not sure about this.

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[quote=mooby;1338848]Yep.

I like Holcomb but when was the last time he finished a complete season without playing injured or being out with injury?

We need a solid mike that doesn't have injury issues.[/quote]

Here are Holcomb's games played stats:

2019: 16 games
2020: 11 games
2021: 16 games
2022: 7 games

I guess it depends on how he recovers or is recovering from his injury this past season. The thing with him is that you no longer depend on him needing to be the top LB, given Davis' play. So to me is a toss up on whether they keep him or not.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1338860]Here are Holcomb's games played stats:

2019: 16 games
2020: 11 games
2021: 16 games
2022: 7 games

I guess it depends on how he recovers or is recovering from his injury this past season. The thing with him is that you no longer depend on him needing to be the top LB, given Davis' play. So to me is a toss up on whether they keep him or not.[/quote]

2021 he played all 16 but I'm pretty sure he was playing with injury for some of those - either way I don't think he was impressive in 2021.

I would prefer to get a better player in 2023 - if Holcomb wanted to come back for depth I'd be fine with that too.

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[quote=mooby;1338861]2021 he played all 16 but I'm pretty sure he was playing with injury for some of those - either way I don't think he was impressive in 2021.

I would prefer to get a better player in 2023 - if Holcomb wanted to come back for depth I'd be fine with that too.[/quote]

The thing is, at LB, we need to upgrade our starting unit AND add depth, so I'd very much like to bring Holcomb back as a rotational + depth guy.

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Sounds like the Ravens are playing hardball , good for them


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1338889]Sounds like the Ravens are playing hardball , good for them


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Because you can’t give that type of QB that much money ; LJ is dependent and n his legs and he is injury prone, low probability he will be as effective as he was in 2019 just a few years down the road.

Plus if the Ravens couldn’t get him help with his rookie contract how the fuck are they going to do it with the ball and chain contract LJ is asking for.

Ravens been here before with Flacco , Lamar saved them from that abortion. Ravens are too smart to step in that bear trap again.

I would non exclusive him and let another team bid for his services if it’s too high to match take the 2 number 1s and go find yourself a new QB1.

Also to add everyone loves to blame the Ravens O problems on the WRs; but the one constant with all the Ravens receivers through the years is LJ throwing to them. Maybe its the one chugging the ball not catching the ball that the issue lies with.

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Jackson is a better quality RG3, but he's made himself so reliant on his running ability I doubt he'll ever improve as a passer. Had he developed his passing ability he'd likely have been re-signed. I sincerely hope we go nowhere near him if he reaches FA; one bad lower body injury and he's done. I don't blame him trying to get a lot of guaranteed money for that reason, but its a big cap risk for any team.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1338897]Jackson is a better quality RG3, but he's made himself so reliant on his running ability I doubt he'll ever improve as a passer. Had he developed his passing ability he'd likely have been re-signed. I sincerely hope we go nowhere near him if he reaches FA; one bad lower body injury and he's done. I don't blame him trying to get a lot of guaranteed money for that reason, but its a big cap risk for any team.[/quote]

Its almost to the point if you get a running QB in the mold of LJ or RG3 you ride them out on their rookie contract and then cut bait.

AR15 may be a good example, ok he is coming to your franchise, invest in the OL TE and a great RB, take from WR because they really can't throw to them.

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[quote=mredskins;1338890]Because you can’t give that type of QB that much money ; LJ is dependent and n his legs and he is injury prone, low probability he will be as effective as he was in 2019 just a few years down the road.

Plus if the Ravens couldn’t get him help with his rookie contract how the fuck are they going to do it with the ball and chain contract LJ is asking for.

Ravens been here before with Flacco , Lamar saved them from that abortion. Ravens are too smart to step in that bear trap again.

I would non exclusive him and let another team bid for his services if it’s too high to match take the 2 number 1s and go find yourself a new QB1.

Also to add everyone loves to blame the Ravens O problems on the WRs; but the one constant with all the Ravens receivers through the years is LJ throwing to them. Maybe its the one chugging the ball not catching the ball that the issue lies with.[/quote]

And as i read this he has been Tagged (Non Exclusive) meaning they can trade him for two 1's

Atlanta rumored to be the favorite

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I would really like to see us go after either E Kendricks or T Edmunds in free agency...or some other legit Veteran ILB. Do that and draft a top CB at 16, and this D would be g2g.

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Interesting, just read on PFT that all franchise tags placed were non-exclusive, including Payne. Means he can negotiate with other teams...

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1338921]Interesting, just read on PFT that all franchise tags placed were non-exclusive, including Payne. Means he can negotiate with other teams...[/QUOTE]


So we could match what he is offered or trade him for two firsts?
If that is the case Id trade him in a heartbeat. Idc what the offer is.

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I can't see anyone giving D Payne a long term contract, and also giving up 2 first round picks. I wonder if that draft compensation is negotiable...i.e. we would let him walk for 2nd and 3rd round picks or something like that.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1338928]I can't see anyone giving D Payne a long term contract, and also giving up 2 first round picks. I wonder if that draft compensation is negotiable...i.e. we would let him walk for 2nd and 3rd round picks or something like that.[/quote]

I think that would then have to be a sign and trade. I believe it's been done before though (effectively accepting less), not sure/can't remember.

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Keim "Washington cannot afford Lamar and that's what it comes down to"

So there ya go, he ain't coming to DC

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1338942]Keim "Washington cannot afford Lamar and that's what it comes down to"

So there ya go, he ain't coming to DC[/quote]

Thank goodness. Better off not pursuing him, as other clubs have decided as well.

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With a fully guaranteed deal Snyder would have to put a good $200M+ in escrow, hard to imagine he even has that type of cash flow right now.

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[quote=MTK;1338944]With a fully guaranteed deal Snyder would have to put a good $200M+ in escrow, hard to imagine he even has that type of cash flow right now.[/quote]

Yep , no chance and honestly Lamar isn't going to put us in the SB next yr

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Plus I think forcing a QB with a mega deal on a new owner would be a great way to sour a potential sale.

And Snyder needs to sell.

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I think it is a little strange teams seem so disinterested in Jackson. Teams that need a quarterback to put them over the hump anyway.

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Ravens would get two firsts if Lamar rolls. That price is probably keeping a lot of teams away considering the question marks and the guaranteed $ he wants in a contract.