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[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/5/3/23709321/film-session-why-the-commanders-selected-cb-emmanuel-forbes-at-16"]Film Session: Why the Commanders selected CB Emmanuel Forbes at 16[/URL]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1341624]I hope EB can work his magic because on paper our OL looks shaky[/quote]

Here's my projected o-line this upcoming season:
Leno (LT)
Charles/Paul/FA (LG)
Gates (C)
Cosmi (RG)
Wylie (RT)

Having Norwood and Trai Turner out of the picture is addition by subtraction, if Gates can stay healthy that will be a big plus over last year, and I can't believe how underrated the Wylie signing is being seen by fans.

Add to that an OC that will hopefully learn to adapt to situations and run the ball more.

Am I 100% confident on this o-line situation? No. But fans keep talking about as if we are rolling out the same line from last year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1341627]Here's my projected o-line this upcoming season:
Leno (LT)
Charles/Paul/FA (LG)
Gates (C)
Cosmi (RG)
Wylie (RT)

Having Norwood and Trai Turner out of the picture is addition by subtraction, if Gates can stay healthy that will be a big plus over last year, and I can't believe how underrated the Wylie signing is being seen by fans.

Add to that an OC that will hopefully learn to adapt to situations and run the ball more.

Am I 100% confident on this o-line situation? No. But fans keep talking about as if we are rolling out the same line from last year.[/quote]

There are question marks for sure, but I'd be surprised if there is no improvement.

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[quote=MTK;1341601][YT]BsoVhCL-9wI[/YT]

First thought, damn this guy's running style looks an awful lot like B-Rob, he just won't go down[/quote]

Completely agree, he's a B-Rob clone. Looks like he has decent speed, like B-Rob before he got shot speed.

I think we're looking at a clone of Robinson and thus I don't know that I'd expect Rodriguez to be active on gamedays unless someone is dinged up. Rodriguez can pass protect some too so maybe he gets a 3rd down back role, but if you look at what Bienemey had in KC it was Jerrick McKinnon in the 3rd down back role. A fast dude that can catch and block. I'm not sure a bruiser like Rodriguez is the ideal 3rd down RB.

I think they'll look to sign a 3rd down back like McKinnon which makes Rodriguez the depth guy for when something happens to Robinson or AG.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1341627]Here's my projected o-line this upcoming season:
Leno (LT)
Charles/Paul/FA (LG)
Gates (C)
Cosmi (RG)
Wylie (RT)

Having Norwood and Trai Turner out of the picture is addition by subtraction, if Gates can stay healthy that will be a big plus over last year, and I can't believe how underrated the Wylie signing is being seen by fans.

Add to that an OC that will hopefully learn to adapt to situations and run the ball more.

Am I 100% confident on this o-line situation? No. But fans keep talking about as if we are rolling out the same line from last year.[/quote]

Fully agree with this, I see this being the line to start unless they pick up somebody else, and probably the #1 most important thing that will help the line is the scheme change from Turner to Bienemey. I think the ball is coming out faster with EB.

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[quote=MTK;1341621]Starting a rookie center with a 2nd year QB sounds like a bad idea. Gates is definitely looking like the starter to begin the season.[/quote]

I think the idea was to have a vet to back up Roullier if and when he gets hurt again. Risky given Roulier's injury history but Gates isn't starter material.

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[quote=MTK;1341626][URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/5/3/23709321/film-session-why-the-commanders-selected-cb-emmanuel-forbes-at-16"]Film Session: Why the Commanders selected CB Emmanuel Forbes at 16[/URL][/quote]

Same reason the Redskins picked Amerson earlier than they should have several years back.

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[quote=nonniey;1341640]I think the idea was to have a vet to back up Roullier if and when he gets hurt again. Risky given Roulier's injury history but Gates isn't starter material.[/quote]

Good chance Roullier ends up getting cut.

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Would be cool if Stromboni can beat out Gates.

Leno
Paul
Stromboni
Cosmi
Wylie

Gates as No. 1 swing C/G.
Daniels as No. 1 swing T.

Really hope we can add a legitimate swing tackle after the post-draft cuts that will be coming up. Don't think Daniels playing year 1 at T would be the best if Leno or Wylie go down.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1341643]Would be cool if Stromboni can beat out Gates.

Leno
Paul
Stromboni
Cosmi
Wylie

Gates as No. 1 swing C/G.
Daniels as No. 1 swing T.

Really hope we can add a legitimate swing tackle after the post-draft cuts that will be coming up. Don't think Daniels playing year 1 at T would be the best if Leno or Wylie go down.[/quote]

Daniels needs work, if he's the first tackle off the bench we're in trouble

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Lucas is our swing Tackle. I don’t think was paid Gates to sit

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I would be surprised if we don't sign a vet tackle before the training camp.

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[quote=Chico23231;1341645]Lucas is our swing Tackle. I don’t think was paid Gates to sit[/quote]

Thought Lucas is FA now?

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[quote=GridIron26;1341647]Thought Lucas is FA now?[/quote]

He’s still with the team

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Lucas is washed. Hopefully the swing tackle for 2023 isn't on the team yet.

Can't expect 34 games from Leno and Wylie, so they need to get that handled.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1341627]Here's my projected o-line this upcoming season:
Leno (LT)
Charles/Paul/FA (LG)
Gates (C)
Cosmi (RG)
Wylie (RT)

Having Norwood and Trai Turner out of the picture is addition by subtraction, if Gates can stay healthy that will be a big plus over last year, and I can't believe how underrated the Wylie signing is being seen by fans.

Add to that an OC that will hopefully learn to adapt to situations and run the ball more.

Am I 100% confident on this o-line situation? No. But fans keep talking about as if we are rolling out the same line from last year.[/QUOTE]


Problem is that is 5 question marks. Not one guy there that you think “ok well we are set there”. Could they gel and improve because of reasons you mentioned? Yup. Could it be an absolute train wreck? Yup.

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[quote=punch it in;1341654]Problem is that is 5 question marks. Not one guy there that you think “ok well we are set there”. Could they gel and improve because of reasons you mentioned? Yup. Could it be an absolute train wreck? Yup.[/quote]

Cosmi and Wylie on the right side is solid. If Leno can play like he did in any year besides last season, he is solid too. He is only 31, so I think he can play better.

LG and C, yeah, not super confident about those at all.

We will be better than last season.

Leno
Traffic cone
Gates/Stromboli
Traffic cone
Wylie

This is an improvement over last season.

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[quote=MTK;1341642]Good chance Roullier ends up getting cut.[/quote]

Yep. I know and for good reaso. Problem is still that Gates isn't starter material.

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[quote=nonniey;1341656]Yep. I know and for good reaso. Problem is still that Gates isn't starter material.[/quote]

Stromboli was a 4 year starter. He can win the job.

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[quote=Chico23231;1341645]Lucas is our swing Tackle. I don’t think was paid Gates to sit[/quote]

Mason Brooks was signed as an un-drafted FA, supposedly 5 teams were interested in him. Commanders gave him a $35k bonus to outbid the others. Supposedly they really like this kid as a T.

Commanders signed Mason Brooks

Offensive Line | Ole Miss Rebels

Mason Brooks was an outstanding lineman for Western Kentucky – the same school that Mitchell Tinsley attended initially – playing both tackle and guard at a very high level.

He transferred to Ole Miss for his 2022 season and played mostly in reserve. But his physical tools – 6-foot-6 and 315 pounds – with good feet, and his smarts (he was a consistent honor roll student in college), have earned him a longer look in the pros.

A few months ago, Brooks was a first-round draft pick of the Memphis Showboats in the USFL. But he has opted to take a shot with the Washington Commanders after getting an offer in undrafted free agency.

Washington values positional flexibility. Brooks will probably kick inside to guard in the NFL, but he has ample experience at tackle and could be good in an all-purpose reserve role.

The Commanders’ interior line situation remains a work in progress. There are a lot of new pieces to juggle this season, and no one has a position locked up.

A spot on the final 53 may be a longshot, but Brooks should be competing with Aaron Monteiro, Nolan Laufenberg, and Keaton Sutherland for a couple of slots on the practice squad.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1341658]Marcus Brooks was signed as an un-drafted FA, supposedly 5 teams were interested in him. Commanders gave him a $35k bonus to outbid the others. Supposedly they really like this kid as a T.[/quote]

We are throwing a lot of capital…late round draft picks, udfa, some ok free agents, but I don’t see Trent Williams/Brandon Schreff walking thru that door.

I’d like to say better scheme and EB’s input to get the right guys he wants, but in terms of raw talent and a bunch of new starters trying to mesh…we gotta lotta work to do. I do believe EB can get it done tho.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1341658]Marcus Brooks was signed as an un-drafted FA, supposedly 5 teams were interested in him. Commanders gave him a $35k bonus to outbid the others. Supposedly they really like this kid as a T.

Commanders signed Mason Brooks

Offensive Line | Ole Miss Rebels

Mason Brooks was an outstanding lineman for Western Kentucky – the same school that Mitchell Tinsley attended initially – playing both tackle and guard at a very high level.

He transferred to Ole Miss for his 2022 season and played mostly in reserve. But his physical tools – 6-foot-6 and 315 pounds – with good feet, and his smarts (he was a consistent honor roll student in college), have earned him a longer look in the pros.

A few months ago, Brooks was a first-round draft pick of the Memphis Showboats in the USFL. But he has opted to take a shot with the Washington Commanders after getting an offer in undrafted free agency.

Washington values positional flexibility. Brooks will probably kick inside to guard in the NFL, but he has ample experience at tackle and could be good in an all-purpose reserve role.

The Commanders’ interior line situation remains a work in progress. There are a lot of new pieces to juggle this season, and no one has a position locked up.

A spot on the final 53 may be a longshot, but Brooks should be competing with Aaron Monteiro, Nolan Laufenberg, and Keaton Sutherland for a couple of slots on the practice squad.[/quote]

Spent 3 minutes trying to find Marcus Brooks (copied your 1st line name), couldn't find anything. Was like wow, he must really not be good. Mason Brooks has results.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1341660]Spent 3 minutes trying to find Marcus Brooks (copied your 1st line name), couldn't find anything. Was like wow, he must really not be good. Mason Brooks has results.[/quote]

I f'd up, it's Mason

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1341663]I f'd up, it's Mason[/quote]

No worries. I'm so hard-up for anything OT related, I couldn't get past the 1st sentence before trying to look M. Brooks up.

In terms of Mason Brooks, I like it. We need as much competition at the OT spots as possible (as backups to Leno and Wylie).

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[quote=Chico23231;1341659]We are throwing a lot of capital…late round draft picks, udfa, some ok free agents, but I don’t see Trent Williams/Brandon Schreff walking thru that door.

I’d like to say better scheme and EB’s input to get the right guys he wants, but in terms of raw talent and a bunch of new starters trying to mesh…we gotta lotta work to do. I do believe EB can get it done tho.[/quote]



We didn't really do anything witb Trent and Brandon walking through the door either

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[quote=MTK;1341644]Daniels needs work, if he's the first tackle off the bench we're in trouble[/quote]

He's not NFL T material to begin with, so naturally the Commanders will start him out at that position and waste time that could have been used to develop him as a G where he belongs. I can hardly wait until we have a new owner, a new HC and a new GM.

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The Five Most Likely First-Round Draft Busts in the NFC.

Is anyone here surprised that Forbes is on this list? Is there anyone who doesn't think he should be on it (If so who would replace him?)

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-five-most-likely-first-round-draft-busts-in-the-nfc/ar-AA1aJnV7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=27a014116d75442d8bf800a9ab97b79c&ei=32[/url]

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[quote=nonniey;1341673]The Five Most Likely First-Round Draft Busts in the NFC.

Is anyone here surprised that Forbes is on this list? Is there anyone who doesn't think he should be on it (If so who would replace him?)

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-five-most-likely-first-round-draft-busts-in-the-nfc/ar-AA1aJnV7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=27a014116d75442d8bf800a9ab97b79c&ei=32[/url][/quote]

Nobody has any clue who's going to hit and who's going to bust. But they got you to read their article anyway.

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[quote=nonniey;1341673]The Five Most Likely First-Round Draft Busts in the NFC.

Is anyone here surprised that Forbes is on this list? Is there anyone who doesn't think he should be on it (If so who would replace him?)

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-five-most-likely-first-round-draft-busts-in-the-nfc/ar-AA1aJnV7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=27a014116d75442d8bf800a9ab97b79c&ei=32[/url][/quote]

Anything the Commanders do is wrong in the media's eyes; its easy to pick on us

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[quote=nonniey;1341673]The Five Most Likely First-Round Draft Busts in the NFC.

Is anyone here surprised that Forbes is on this list? Is there anyone who doesn't think he should be on it (If so who would replace him?)

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-five-most-likely-first-round-draft-busts-in-the-nfc/ar-AA1aJnV7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=27a014116d75442d8bf800a9ab97b79c&ei=32[/url][/quote]

This is a terrible article. I mean by the same logic, should Bryce Young have bust potential since he's also undersized?

Also, Gonzalez was picked right after Forbes, so it is not like he slid down to the end of the first round.

I guess I feel like to be a bust, you have to be hyped up and/or picked within the top 5, maybe top 10 in the draft.

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[quote=nonniey;1341673]The Five Most Likely First-Round Draft Busts in the NFC.

Is anyone here surprised that Forbes is on this list? Is there anyone who doesn't think he should be on it (If so who would replace him?)

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-five-most-likely-first-round-draft-busts-in-the-nfc/ar-AA1aJnV7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=27a014116d75442d8bf800a9ab97b79c&ei=32[/url][/quote]

Forbes is going to bust a nut right in this articles eye.

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[quote=Chico23231;1341659]We are throwing a lot of capital…late round draft picks, udfa, some ok free agents, but I don’t see Trent Williams/Brandon Schreff walking thru that door.

I’d like to say better scheme and EB’s input to get the right guys he wants, but in terms of raw talent and a bunch of new starters trying to mesh…we gotta lotta work to do. I do believe EB can get it done tho.[/quote]

we haven't even hired the new o-line coach have we?

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1341679]we haven't even hired the new o-line coach have we?[/quote]

We promoted from within right before the draft

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[quote=Chico23231;1341680]We promoted from within right before the draft[/quote]

ahh . . . didn't read about that. thanks. On their website they only list an assistant offensive line coach . . . [URL="https://www.commanders.com/team/coaches-roster/"]see:[/URL]

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[quote=nonniey;1341673]The Five Most Likely First-Round Draft Busts in the NFC.

Is anyone here surprised that Forbes is on this list? Is there anyone who doesn't think he should be on it (If so who would replace him?)

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-five-most-likely-first-round-draft-busts-in-the-nfc/ar-AA1aJnV7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=27a014116d75442d8bf800a9ab97b79c&ei=32[/url][/quote]

Out of the offensive linemen, I'll go Skoronski since many think he will play Guard in the NFL, rather than Tackle. Doesn't necessarily make him a bust though (Scherff) depending on how he does.

But honestly I'd go with Jack Campbell if it isn't one of the offensive linemen. He would be way before Forbes on my list as far as potential busts go - relative to draft position. The only reason Forbes is considered at all is due to his size.

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I think KJ Henry may end up being the most underrated and most important pick (long term) of this draft.

Washington Commanders Rookie EDGE KJ Henry 'Overlooked,' Says Ron Rivera

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/commanders/news/washington-commanders-defensive-end-kj-henry-clemson-tigers-coach-ron-rivera-draft-steal[/url]

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1341681]ahh . . . didn't read about that. thanks. On their website they only list an assistant offensive line coach . . . [URL="https://www.commanders.com/team/coaches-roster/"]see:[/URL][/quote]

Yeah I heard Ron on Galdi's pod say they were waiting for the sale to be settled to officialize the Oline coach's elevation.

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Here is my prediction. The O-line isn't going to be very good.

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forbes is a stud, he is a top 30 player the nedia lloves picking on us

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[quote=skinsfan69;1341689]Here is my prediction. The O-line isn't going to be very good.[/quote]

I think it will be better than last year after the poor Ron decision of Turner and Norwell at guard.

Then we lost like 3 centers due to injury- Chase, Tyler, Schweitzer- that was devastating

So the collapse in the interior Oline was detrimental to the offense. Which is kinda why I frowned passing on O’Cyrus at Guard in the second round of draft.