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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1344332]You are giving other teams more credit than ours.[/QUOTE]


Because until we actually do it when it counts they deserve it.
Doesn’t mean I’m not rooting for us of course.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1344333]I can see why you would say that. It's not the easiest schedule.

- I think we can go .500 vs the AFC East.
- I think we take 4/7 from Chicago, Arizona, Denver, LA, SF, Seattle, & Atlanta.
- I think we go at least .500 vs the NFC East (we went 2-3-1 last year).

That's 9 wins... I'm thinking 7 is the floor and 11 is the ceiling.

Hopefully the ball bounces our way this year more than it doesn't.[/QUOTE]


If Seattle was a home game Id like our chances better. SF is more than likely a loss but you never know. So I can see 4 wins in that group. I hate to say it but I think the nfc east is where we come up short.

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[quote=punch it in;1344328]Our schedule has 7 wins written all over it. Hate to be that guy but….


All I really want to see this year is Sam ball out. There are going to be major changes after this season and then it is on. Just keepin it real. Lol.[/quote]

So you are saying that our current team is worst than last year's team that won 8 games?

I have yet to hear a convincing argument from the doom and gloom crowd.

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[url]https://twitter.com/Commanders/status/1697356083466326351?s=20[/url]

Good news guys, seems like the players have learned their scripts so they're ready for week 1.

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Chase still not cleared to play? SMH

Can we consider this guy a huge bust at this point?

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[quote=punch it in;1344328]Our schedule has 7 wins written all over it. Hate to be that guy but….


All I really want to see this year is Sam ball out. There are going to be major changes after this season and then it is on. Just keepin it real. Lol.[/quote]

I think we're lucky if we get 7 wins. Ron is a lame duck coach at this point. Del Rio needed to have been jettisoned in the OS, but noooooo......

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Chase Young is the toughest looking paper mache sculpture i have ever seen.

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Ready to crush Arizona in week 1. Let's go Commanders! Don't think it matters if Dobbs or Thune starts really.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1344340]So you are saying that our current team is worst than last year's team that won 8 games?

I have yet to hear a convincing argument from the doom and gloom crowd.[/quote]

That's kinda where I'm at.

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I am optimistic of doing better than last year purely on having a better QB and competant OC this year. That said, I can understand others who think they will have a losing season as there were as many or more close wins last season as there were close losses, could have been 11-6, but likewise could have been 6-11. You are what your record says you are, a 500 team. But if you can't be optimistic going into a season when will you be, personally I couldn't follow a sport without some promise of getting better.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1344333]I can see why you would say that. It's not the easiest schedule.



- I think we can go .500 vs the AFC East.

- I think we take 4/7 from Chicago, Arizona, Denver, LA, SF, Seattle, & Atlanta.

- I think we go at least .500 vs the NFC East (we went 2-3-1 last year).



That's 9 wins... I'm thinking 7 is the floor and 11 is the ceiling.



Hopefully the ball bounces our way this year more than it doesn't.[/QUOTE]

We're more or less on the same page.
Of course the season could derail for whatever reason (injuries, couple of bad bounces early etc...), but realisticly our floor should be 7 wins.
I don't know about 11 but I see a path to us getting to 10 wins.

It's been said before, but with our schedule, a significantly improved team could end up 8 and 9.
Our division could be really tough, and we're playing the toughest looking AFC div.

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This is a team that looks good on paper - Howell notwithstanding.

The issue is we always have this optimism at the start of every year that things will improve over the previous year and instead we start slow, we waste the first half of the season getting our shit together, win a few on the backend and finish the season average. It's the Rivera way.

Hopefully this year will be different but if we get off to a fast start in the first 4 games it will be the first time in years that has happened.

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I hear you. This year feels different to me though, and I'd rather be optimistic about our chances, now that the stink of DS is out the door, than not.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1344340]So you are saying that our current team is worst than last year's team that won 8 games?

I have yet to hear a convincing argument from the doom and gloom crowd.[/QUOTE]


Um. No. Im saying our schedule is tougher. Our division is going to be tough as nails because the other three teams are all playoff teams going into this year. Sam is still basically a rookie, and it is a new offense. We did nothing to bolster our LB corp. Rivera is still the HC so I still expect slow starts and the inability to adjust. I think we will be a more competitive team based solely on Sam and EB. Don’t think we are an automatic win for anyone anymore. However that doesn’t automatically equate to 10 wins and a playoff birth. I think we are a year away. If you wanna wave your fan boy flag and call me doom and gloom have at it though.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1344359]I hear you. This year feels different to me though, and I'd rather be optimistic about our chances now that the stink of DS is out the door, than not.[/QUOTE]


The stink of DS is certainly out the door, but due to the timing of it all the new Ownership group didn’t really have a chance to put their stamp on this team. It is basically the same team, staff, and FO as it would have been had he stayed. We have a ton of cap space for this offseason and what I think is a really good young quarterback in the wings. Let the new owner have a year to observe and an offseason to work with. EB and Sam automatically make us more competitive and a playoff birth certainly isn’t out of the question. Im certainly not laying money down on it though. Next year at this time I probably would. In the meantime ill hope Sam balls the fuck out and we shock everyone.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1344344]I think we're lucky if we get 7 wins. Ron is a lame duck coach at this point. Del Rio needed to have been jettisoned in the OS, but noooooo......[/QUOTE]


Ownership situation meant everything was at a stalemate. We are super fortunate we had Sam on the team and that we landed EB. Super fortunate. Wait until this off season NC. Going to be lit. Lol.

Like I said , pray that Sam balls out and we shock people earlier than expected. See the Giants last year.

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No doubt our schedule looks daunting. We still have RR who is oblivious to many things, chief among them offense in general and, in particular, QBs who you can win with and QBs you [U]cannot[/U] win with. So, I believe that these two things, our schedule and Ron's coaching deficiencies, were and still could be our primary inhibitors to having a winning season.

That said, it's just not predictable what kind of problems an upcoming opponent might be having when we meet them. Some games might turn out to be more winnable than they look to be on paper. Also, the division games are different. They are usually knock down drag out games that are often won by the underdogs. So, I don't worry much about the schedule.

As for the offense, I'm just hoping that Ron leaves the offense to EB - period, end of story. I believe in EB. I think we'll score significantly more points than last year under EB. Also, essentially, Ron can't screw up the QB decisions this year even if he wanted to. That's because I believe in our QB's. Sam will shock the League with his competent play this season and we have a proven backup in Jacoby. There is no turd of a QB for Ron to float out onto the field this season.

We have a deep, talented defense, very good STs, and we'll have a much improved offense, IMO. We should have a good season. Now it's up to the players and coaches to make it happen.

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[quote=punch it in;1344360]Um. No. Im saying our schedule is tougher. Our division is going to be tough as nails because the other three teams are all playoff teams going into this year. Sam is still basically a rookie, and it is a new offense. We did nothing to bolster our LB corp. Rivera is still the HC so I still expect slow starts and the inability to adjust. I think we will be a more competitive team based solely on Sam and EB. Don’t think we are an automatic win for anyone anymore. However that doesn’t automatically equate to 10 wins and a playoff birth. I think we are a year away. If you wanna wave your fan boy flag and call me doom and gloom have at it though.[/quote]

I don't think we're a 10-win team, but I think we have a better team than last year's and I think that gives us a chance to at least match our record from last season and potentially improve it.

Also, people should not dismiss the terrible effect that Snyder had on this team at all levels. He was f*cking awful and having him out of the picture should help everyone do their jobs better.

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I am feeling pretty positive. I don't see how we are worse than last year as of right now. Ask me in November.

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Ron and this team needs to get off to a fast start

And god damn it…Logan, Fuller and ESPECIALLY Chase Young needs to be on the field week 1. I’m tired of this lingering bullshit and excuses, get on the field.

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I finally got nfl package so I’m good to go on watching the games !

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[quote=Ruhskins;1344376]I don't think we're a 10-win team, but I think we have a better team than last year's and I think that gives us a chance to at least match our record from last season and potentially improve it.

Also, people should not dismiss the terrible effect that Snyder had on this team at all levels. He was f*cking awful and having him out of the picture should help everyone do their jobs better.[/quote]

Howell is much better than Wentz and Heinecken combined, they won 8 games with shit QB's, OL and OC. If people can't see that, then I don't know what they aren't seeing. This year, way better QB, improved OL and TE's, RB's, OC, DL and CB's/S spots. The D will be nasty.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1344376]I don't think we're a 10-win team, but I think we have a better team than last year's and I think that gives us a chance to at least match our record from last season and potentially improve it.

Also, people should not dismiss the terrible effect that Snyder had on this team at all levels. He was f*cking awful and having him out of the picture should help everyone do their jobs better.[/QUOTE]


It will certainly put fans in the seats and give us a better home field. I absolutely think this team is better. It just seems like we always have a tough schedule and this year is no exception. Afc and nfc east = brutal. Than we get SF and Seattle in Seattle.

Like KI alluded to, things can change with opponents but for now I can only see what I see and it is a tough schedule.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1344381]I am feeling pretty positive. I don't see how we are worse than last year as of right now. Ask me in November.[/quote]

We always feel optimistic before week 1.

I agree we have reason to be optimistic, but I'm with Punch. Until we show it on the field this team hasn't done anything to get excited about.

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Washington Commanders -

We have made the following coaching promotions:
-- Juan Castillo: run game coordinator
-- Randy Jordan: senior offensive assistant/running backs coach
-- Travelle Wharton: offensive line coach
-- Todd Storm: tight ends coach

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1344447]Washington Commanders -

We have made the following coaching promotions:
-- Juan Castillo: run game coordinator
-- Randy Jordan: senior offensive assistant/running backs coach
-- Travelle Wharton: offensive line coach
-- Todd Storm: tight ends coach[/quote]

Finally some movement on the coaching hires, owners must be happy with this ( though what else can they do on the eve of week 1), wonder if this means we'll see some movement on contracts

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1344387]Howell is much better than Wentz and Heinecken combined, they won 8 games with shit QB's, OL and OC. If people can't see that, then I don't know what they aren't seeing. This year, way better QB, improved OL and TE's, RB's, OC, DL and CB's/S spots. The D will be nasty.[/quote]

Polly-anna much?

Improved OL????? No one is saying that (Most would argue the OL has deteriorated compared to the OL prior to week 1 last year). TEs??? Again no one is saying that either. RBs????? Did we get someone new (That will play a significant role) I'm unaware of? You can argue DL and secondary have been pumped up, but QB is still an unknown (whether it is better, same or worse). Ultimately it will fall on how well the QB is in determining if we've improved (And he has to overcome the OL weakness).

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It's all on paper right now, but I think there is definitely an argument to be made that the current starting O-line is better than what we had to begin last year. The jury is still out on whether Charles/Paul will be an improvement over Norwell, but I don't think there's any question N Gates at Center is an improvement over C Roullier coming off two terrible leg injuries, and Cosmi > T Turner at RG, and Wylie > Cosmi/Lucas at RT. Maybe they won't be a top 10 unit, but I feel a lot better with that lineup than I did with the initial lineup in 2022.

Are Norwell & Turner even playing this year?

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Something to not overlook … This team has a much better attitude going into a season in a long long time …as disgusting as Snyder was to us the players probably didn’t think much of him either .. I believe this team will play with way more intensity and focus … how many wins I can’t say but I would not be surprised to be in every game and make a serious playoff run … we shall see

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[quote=nonniey;1344454]Polly-anna much?

Improved OL????? No one is saying that (Most would argue the OL has deteriorated compared to the OL prior to week 1 last year). TEs??? Again no one is saying that either. RBs????? Did we get someone new (That will play a significant role) I'm unaware of? You can argue DL and secondary have been pumped up, but QB is still an unknown (whether it is better, same or worse). Ultimately it will fall on how well the QB is in determining if we've improved (And he has to overcome the OL weakness).[/quote]

Norwell and Trai Turner were worthless last year, Roullier and everyone who played center was hurt. I can't even remember who was at RT. Last year's line was trash.

Leno, a healthy Saddiq Charles, Gates, Cosmi as a full-time guard, and Wylie at RT are definitely an improvement over last year's line. Are they the strongest unit in the team, NO. But saying that the line has not improved is outlandish. I feel like a lot of people are bitching about the line because we didn't get an o-lineman in the second round.

And yes, the running game should be much improved, since Brian Robinson has had a year under his belt, and I don't know, not being f*cking shot should help him a lot.

I give you that QB is an unknown, but last year Heinecke and Wentz were f*cking trash.

I know we have a tough schedule last year, but hey, you never know what will happen. Last year's team had no business beating the Iggles, but it happened.

This team has holes in some areas and they are very strong in others, like any other team in the NFL. But I'm tired of people just whining about the team being worst and the o-line and all this ignorant stuff without some context.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1344455]It's all on paper right now, but I think there is definitely an argument to be made that the current starting O-line is better than what we had to begin last year. The jury is still out on whether Charles/Paul will be an improvement over Norwell, but I don't think there's any question N Gates at Center is an improvement over C Roullier coming off two terrible leg injuries, and Cosmi > T Turner at RG, and Wylie > Cosmi/Lucas at RT. Maybe they won't be a top 10 unit, but I feel a lot better with that lineup than I did with the initial lineup in 2022.

Are Norwell & Turner even playing this year?[/quote]

Turner was signed somewhere, and immediately got injured and is out for the season.

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[quote=nonniey;1344454]Polly-anna much?

Improved OL????? No one is saying that (Most would argue the OL has deteriorated compared to the OL prior to week 1 last year). TEs??? Again no one is saying that either. RBs????? Did we get someone new (That will play a significant role) I'm unaware of? You can argue DL and secondary have been pumped up, but QB is still an unknown (whether it is better, same or worse). Ultimately it will fall on how well the QB is in determining if we've improved (And he has to overcome the OL weakness).[/quote]

I’ll remind you when you want to jump in the bandwagon and you will.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1344465]Norwell and Trai Turner were worthless last year, Roullier and everyone who played center was hurt. I can't even remember who was at RT. Last year's line was trash.

Leno, a healthy Saddiq Charles, Gates, Cosmi as a full-time guard, and Wylie at RT are definitely an improvement over last year's line. Are they the strongest unit in the team, NO. But saying that the line has not improved is outlandish. I feel like a lot of people are bitching about the line because we didn't get an o-lineman in the second round.

And yes, the running game should be much improved, since Brian Robinson has had a year under his belt, and I don't know, not being f*cking shot should help him a lot.

I give you that QB is an unknown, but last year Heinecke and Wentz were f*cking trash.

I know we have a tough schedule last year, but hey, you never know what will happen. Last year's team had no business beating the Iggles, but it happened.

This team has holes in some areas and they are very strong in others, like any other team in the NFL. But I'm tired of people just whining about the team being worst and the o-line and all this ignorant stuff without some context.[/QUOTE]


Whining without context, hype without context. It is all the same. The only context that matters is results.

Win more games than we lose for once and ill be happy.

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The bottom line for me is, there's no way the current team is worse than last year's team at this juncture. There's not one position group that is worse. It's also possible that the team is much better, but will not have a better record due to the more difficult schedule.

Either way, I agree with you Punch. It's results that matter - and we'll start getting those in less than 5 days.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1344469]The bottom line for me is, there's no way the current team is worse than last year's team at this juncture. There's not one position group that is worse. It's also possible that the team is much better, but will not have a better record due to the more difficult schedule.

Either way, I agree with you Punch. It's results that matter - and we'll start getting those in less than 5 days.[/QUOTE]


Completely possible that this team is better but the schedule stops our record from being better. Pretty much exactly where Im at. It is ok though, we can still see better Quarterback play, better play calling, and a more functional offense, also an overall more competitive team. All without Snyder. It is exactly what keeps bringing me back to one more year. Let the new ownership group have a real offseason. If we surprise people this year, well that would be awesome. We damn well better make a strong statement against what is widely regarded as the worst team in football in five days! Winning has been known to breed winning. I am elated about the Snyderless future of this team. It cannot be overstated how important it is that the clown is gone.

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Gonna be interesting who the next scapegoat gonna be .. this fan base seems to swirl in a toxic atmosphere… I’m sure now That Danny is gone ( and that’s ALL I heard for years was he had to go and all would be gold) well He is gone and we haven’t even played a real game and a lot of fans still love to ride the negativity wave .. I’m not gonna be one of those .. I’m not interested in bashing the Commanders ! Snyder is gone.. Let’s Rally and support the new ownership..HTTC !!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1344465]Norwell and Trai Turner were worthless last year, Roullier and everyone who played center was hurt. I can't even remember who was at RT. Last year's line was trash.

Leno, a healthy Saddiq Charles, Gates, Cosmi as a full-time guard, and Wylie at RT are definitely an improvement over last year's line. Are they the strongest unit in the team, NO. But saying that the line has not improved is outlandish. I feel like a lot of people are bitching about the line because we didn't get an o-lineman in the second round.

And yes, the running game should be much improved, since Brian Robinson has had a year under his belt, and I don't know, not being f*cking shot should help him a lot.

I give you that QB is an unknown, but last year Heinecke and Wentz were f*cking trash.

I know we have a tough schedule last year, but hey, you never know what will happen. Last year's team had no business beating the Iggles, but it happened.

This team has holes in some areas and they are very strong in others, like any other team in the NFL. But I'm tired of people just whining about the team being worst and the o-line and all this ignorant stuff without some context.[/quote]

Wasn't it you who thought we would be much better last year because Wentz was a massive upgrade at QB? How'd that work out?

Leno deteriorated badly last year and unless he is Lazarus chances are he will be worse this year. People think Wiley is an upgrade simply because he came from the Chiefs, truth is he is garbage. Our guards are failed tackles and our centre is coming off a bad injury who has looked really poor in limited action since.

Improved???

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1344475]Gonna be interesting who the next scapegoat gonna be .. this fan base seems to swirl in a toxic atmosphere… I’m sure now That Danny is gone ( and that’s ALL I heard for years was he had to go and all would be gold) well He is gone and we haven’t even played a real game and a lot of fans still love to ride the negativity wave .. I’m not gonna be one of those .. I’m not interested in bashing the Commanders ! Snyder is gone.. Let’s Rally and support the new ownership..HTTC !!![/QUOTE]


Well in fairness, I dont think anyone meant that we would “immediately “ be a vastly improved team because he was gone. It is immediate satisfaction simply because we know that the new ownership group is capable of winning, eventually. Snyder was never, ever going to win anything. And I don’t see anyone on here bashing the Commanders. I see people pointing out potential weaknesses like any fan base.

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The game is sold out. SOLD OUT!! This ain't a bunch of Cardinals fans coming either.

I think the fan base is plenty positive and ready to roll. Except maybe Davy, his post just made me curl up in the corner.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1344478]The game is sold out. SOLD OUT!! This ain't a bunch of Cardinals fans coming either.

I think the fan base is plenty positive and ready to roll. Except maybe Davy, his post just made me curl up in the corner.[/QUOTE]


That is one immediate consolation of Snyder being gone for sure. I think it being opening day and against a shit team that should equal a win helps.

Davy is right. Our oline is rag tag at best. Doesn’t mean he or I hope they fail. But it is going to be priority one this offseason.