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At least the defence started fast this year, hopefully keeps us in every game assuming they can keep it up

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howell's got an arm, but had an up and down game (not unexpected). OL was somehow worse than I thought they'd be (and I didn't have a high opinion to begin with). D looked fine.

They can clean it up some (ie, play better, move howell around a bit, run more), but OL will continue to be a problem we won't be able to fix this season, which sucks.

Still, it's a win.

edit: saying the D looked fine is disingenuous, DL looked great (even if it was against a scrub QB). It's good to know that money hasn't been wasted.

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I can't help but worry about Howell - I thought that cheap shot might've rung his bell a bit because there were some moments that made him look bad afterwards. Of course he did enough to win too which is a good sign, but I don't trust the NFL when they say players don't have concussions - see the Tua saga from the last couple years.

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[quote=sevier2;1345002]Not that anybody ever questioned it but Sam Howell is [I]tough.[/I]

Dude got hit a lot today but stayed poised and ran the offense… in the rain.

He obviously has a ways to go but I like that he’s tough and at least trying to allow a play to develop when he’s getting hit. Not just scrambling in a panic.

If he can speed up his internal clock I think he could be pretty good.[/quote]Agree about the toughness. He'll have the be with this oline. Just needs to get rid of the ball quicker will help a ton. Really hope Bienemy quickly incorporates quick developing passing plays will help a ton. Also, I do feel there was a decent amount of pressure on Howell: new ownership, 1st game of year, weakest team in league, and Sonny & a lot of former greats in attendance. Eager to see how he plays v. Denver.

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[quote=punch it in;1344997]Why the fuck are we talking about Kirk Cousins. People just can’t quit him.[/quote]

He's a free agent next year. You never know.. lol.

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[quote=punch it in;1344997]Why the fuck are we talking about Kirk Cousins. People just can’t quit him.[/quote]

because someone made a stupid comment saying they take sam over cousins

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No love for Tress? He is still our singular most consistent and reliable athlete. 6 punts three inside 20 no touch backs.

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The Bronco game is actually a big game. If we can start 2-0 that is huge

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1345021]The Bronco game is actually a big game. If we can start 2-0 that is huge[/quote]

Yup

Skinsfan, if you get the PFF grades for the Oline let me know

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1345023]Yup

Skinsfan, if you get the PFF grades for the Oline let me know[/QUOTE]


His name is Okie. Lol

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No grades yet should be soon though

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You know who struggled yesterday? Logan Thomas. Dude looks slow and still sucks blocking

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[quote=skinsfan69;1345017]He's a free agent next year. You never know.. lol.[/quote]

This is by far your worst comment, even if joking, you've ever made here.

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I'm heading out to Denver on Friday. Let's get this week over with. I got a game to see. Not feeling nearly as optimistic about winning now, but Denver didn't look all that great either. Feels like a toss-up game.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1345020]No love for Tress? He is still our singular most consistent and reliable athlete. 6 punts three inside 20 no touch backs.[/quote]

Wow that’s balling…damn we punted 6 times against that defense?

Dude we gotta play better on offense.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1345030]This is by far your worst comment, even if joking, you've ever made here.

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joking, I would not want to see Ruhskins stroke out.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1345031]I'm heading out to Denver on Friday. Let's get this week over with. I got a game to see. Not feeling nearly as optimistic about winning now, but Denver didn't look all that great either. Feels like a toss-up game.[/quote]

I wanted to go to this game so bad. Denver is such a great city. I hope we win this game just to see that cocky bitch Payton go 0-2.

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Quan Martin: zero snap defense

Coulda used a Oline pick there in the second round

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[quote=Chico23231;1345035]Quan Martin: zero snap defense

Coulda used a Oline pick there in the second round[/quote]

I am beating a dead horse here but I was disappointed with the Mathis pick last year and Martin pick this year (Forbes pick to an extent this year bc I thought we could trade back still get a guy and some mid round picks that can be used for oline) Defensive success other than QB pressure is so variable from year to year yet we continue to invest in it with high draft picks. I'd prefer to focus on offense which is more sustainable year to year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1345034]I wanted to go to this game so bad. Denver is such a great city. I hope we win this game just to see that cocky bitch Payton go 0-2.[/quote]

This is going to be only my 2nd time seeing them play live. So I'm excited. And I agree about Payton. He needs a nice 6-11 season.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1345036]I am beating a dead horse here but I was disappointed with the Mathis pick last year and Martin pick this year (Forbes pick to an extent this year bc I thought we could trade back still get a guy and some mid round picks that can be used for oline) Defensive success other than QB pressure is so variable from year to year yet we continue to invest in it with high draft picks. I'd prefer to focus on offense which is more sustainable year to year.[/quote]

Who is Mathis?.

Oh the guy who out injured again?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1345034]I wanted to go to this game so bad. Denver is such a great city. I hope we win this game just to see that cocky bitch Payton go 0-2.[/quote]

Same here, its a 2 hour flight for me but I just didn't want to waste the $ if we were SHITTY lol

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1345035]Quan Martin: zero snap defense

Coulda used a Oline pick there in the second round[/QUOTE]


Yeah thank God we took a guy with position versatility or whatever the fuck its called for 2025 because our oline is solid. Fuckin idiots. I cannot wait until we clean house this offseason. Will be really great to have a competent staff and FO.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1345004]Well Fuller and Samuel are free agents next year, so no savings to be had. They have huge amounts of cap next year so no need to cut players for cap space, cut them based on performance not cap hit. Drafting OL and TE 1st and 2nd respectively would seem to be the best scenario. But if they don't improve this year there will be a clearout and every position is up for grabs. If Ron is still here he will pick a DL and a project LB.[/quote]

Leno and Thomas are done after this year and need to go.

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So while the oline was not great, it was serviceable in pass protection. It was TERRIBLE at run blocking, but the vast majority of the sacks were on Howell. He held the ball WAY WAY WAY too long and was very slow in processing what was going on around him. Lots of slows too late and needs to learn to throw the ball around. This is Howells first game in a new offense, and second overall, so i do think he will improve and has some good moments as well.

Logan Thomas needs to be benched for Turner. Thomas has 4 or 5 drops and was horrendous as a blocker. Turner looked much better in his limited play and needs to play more.

Running game needs improvement from the oline, but also improvement from the play calling. Where were any read option plays? We need to find a way to get the running game going!!

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1345043]So while the oline was not great, it was serviceable in pass protection. It was TERRIBLE at run blocking, but the vast majority of the sacks were on Howell. He held the ball WAY WAY WAY too long and was very slow in processing what was going on around him. Lots of slows too late and needs to learn to throw the ball around. This is Howells first game in a new offense, and second overall, so i do think he will improve and has some good moments as well.

Logan Thomas needs to be benched for Turner. Thomas has 4 or 5 drops and was horrendous as a blocker. Turner looked much better in his limited play and needs to play more.

Running game needs improvement from the oline, but also improvement from the play calling. Where were any read option plays? We need to find a way to get the running game going!![/quote]

Wylie is straight dog-ass. Give me (from left to right):

Leno, Charles, Stromberg, Gates, Cosmi or Leno, Charles, Gates, Stromberg, Cosmi.

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Studs and duds
[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/9/11/23867302/washington-commanders-vs-arizona-cardinals-studs-and-duds[/url]

The last bullet under notes is for Chico

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1345043]So while the oline was not great, it was serviceable in pass protection. It was TERRIBLE at run blocking, [B]but the vast majority of the sacks were on Howell[/B]. He held the ball WAY WAY WAY too long and was very slow in processing what was going on around him. Lots of slows too late and needs to learn to throw the ball around. This is Howells first game in a new offense, and second overall, so i do think he will improve and has some good moments as well.

Logan Thomas needs to be benched for Turner. Thomas has 4 or 5 drops and was horrendous as a blocker. Turner looked much better in his limited play and needs to play more.

Running game needs improvement from the oline, but also improvement from the play calling. Where were any read option plays? We need to find a way to get the running game going!![/quote]

Couldn't agree more.

Listen too Al Galdi most recent podcast: episode 653

He brought up the same thing and apparently in the scouting report on SH out of NC was that he took too many sacks.

Between this OLINE and SH, its going get ugly.

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Grades from yesterday

Sam = 61 Pass grade (Expected)

COSMI = 71 overall Grade , 88 Pass , 61 Run
Charles = 56 Overall Grade 84 pass , 43 Run
Leno = 78 overall , 70 Pass , 81 RUN
Wylie = 66 Overall . 70 pass , 65 Run
Gates = 60 Overall , 56 Pass , 68 Run

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DEFENSE

ALLEN - 90 Overall Grade
A Anderson = 89 overall
Sweat = 88 Overall
Kurl = 78
Payne = 66

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1345051]Grades from yesterday

Sam = 61 Pass grade (Expected)

COSMI = 71 overall Grade , 88 Pass , 61 Run
Charles = 56 Overall Grade 84 pass , 43 Run
Leno = 78 overall , 70 Pass , 81 RUN
Wylie = 66 Overall . 70 pass , 65 Run
Gates = 60 Overall , 56 Pass , 68 Run[/quote]

Wylie was our 3rd best lineman. Yeah, our line was dog-shit. Good to see from Leno though. He's not that old, so he's definitely a candidate for a bounce-back season.

Cosmi needs to be moved back to Right Tackle. Let Stromboli, Gates, and Wylie have a 3-man competition for the C, RG positions.

Not good overall numbers from Charles. But his pass grade was high, so I'm going to give him a pass on the run-numbers for one game. He needs to bump that 43 up though.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1345046]Studs and duds
[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/9/11/23867302/washington-commanders-vs-arizona-cardinals-studs-and-duds[/url]

The last bullet under notes is for Chico[/QUOTE]


Wylie is just a joke. But Rivera is a bigger joke for thinking he was good enough and neglecting tackles in the draft because there was a guy with position versatility. He is just so clueless. Luckily they are two of the clowns that will be gone next year.

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[quote=punch it in;1345065]Wylie is just a joke. But Rivera is a bigger joke for thinking he was good enough and neglecting tackles in the draft because there was a guy with position versatility. He is just so clueless. Luckily they are two of the clowns that will be gone next year.[/quote]

I would probably pin this more on EB, since he probably had some input on Wylie.

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Can we stop talking about KC?
He isn't coming back.

Happy to see the team get a win.
There are a shit ton of red flags but I don't care right now.

I'm taking the approach that next year will be better.
This year, we will figure out what we have with Chase Young and Sam Howell.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1345067]I would probably pin this more on EB, since he probably had some input on Wylie.[/QUOTE]


Definitely did I would imagine since he came over from the Chiefs but Ron is the HC, and he is responsible for not drafting a tackle in the second.

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Sad to see this kind of shit going on around NFL stadiums, this was Fedex.

[url]https://x.com/ASAPedro831/status/1700963005997916191?s=20[/url]

[url]https://x.com/uSTADIUM/status/1701279360953585764?s=20[/url]

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1345071]Sad to see this kind of shit going on around NFL stadiums, this was Fedex.

[url]https://x.com/ASAPedro831/status/1700963005997916191?s=20[/url]

[url]https://x.com/uSTADIUM/status/1701279360953585764?s=20[/url][/QUOTE]


Nothing new though. Been drunk assholes at games since there have been games. As a child my parents were season ticket holders for the birds. Went every Sunday from 1974-1984.

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[quote=punch it in;1345069]Definitely did I would imagine since he came over from the Chiefs but Ron is the HC, and he is responsible for not drafting a tackle in the second.[/quote]

Look, if a tackle would have been available in the first round for the taking, and the team didn't take it, I'd be fine with all the complaining. But that didn't happen.

Everyone is complaining about not taking a second round o-lineman, like any o-lineman would have been a sure fire starter. Have you seen the history of this team with second round players? It just shows you that anything beyond the first round is a toss up. Hell, even the first round is a toss up.

Both fans and the media just need to demand a better output from players and coaches. The current o-line needs to get their shit together and play better, and coaches, from the the o-line coaches all the way up to the Ron, need to figure out how to make these current players work out. If not ,then they are all going to be sent packing at the end of the season.

Sorry, but I'm just getting sick and tired of the same "wah wah, Ron should have drafted lineman in the second round" like that is the answer to everything.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1345071]Sad to see this kind of shit going on around NFL stadiums, this was Fedex.

[url]https://x.com/ASAPedro831/status/1700963005997916191?s=20[/url]

[url]https://x.com/uSTADIUM/status/1701279360953585764?s=20[/url][/quote]

Side note: I never understand the logic of going to a football game, and wearing the gear of a football team that is not playing in said football game.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1345075]Look, if a tackle would have been available in the first round for the taking, and the team didn't take it, I'd be fine with all the complaining. But that didn't happen.

Everyone is complaining about not taking a second round o-lineman, like any o-lineman would have been a sure fire starter. Have you seen the history of this team with second round players? It just shows you that anything beyond the first round is a toss up. Hell, even the first round is a toss up.

Both fans and the media just need to demand a better output from players and coaches. The current o-line needs to get their shit together and play better, and coaches, from the the o-line coaches all the way up to the Ron, need to figure out how to make these current players work out. If not ,then they are all going to be sent packing at the end of the season.

Sorry, but I'm just getting sick and tired of the same "wah wah, Ron should have drafted lineman in the second round" like that is the answer to everything.[/quote]

Maybe he should have hired an experienced OL line coach after Matsko was let go. [url]https://www.commanders.com/team/coaches-roster/travelle-wharton[/url]