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I’m wondering if having a first year OL coach who is being helped by the TE coach and a rookie QB combo is a bad idea. Way to go Ron.

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Ron is a dead man walking.

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[quote=GridIron26;1346515]Yeah, Eric really needs to balance the passing/rushing to help Howell and the Oline.

On a different note, it will be good to see how Howell respond after yesterday. [B]Howell said, "the sun will come up tomorrow" so this is a good sign that he is aware that yesterday was just one game and can move on easily.[/B] The downside is the opponents now know that their defense plan is to confuse Howell, so Eric and Howell need to have plans to counter that defense plan.[/quote]

That is an easy thing to say, it is way harder to actually believe it.
He looked broken towards the end of the game, I hope he can be fixed. :(

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[quote=MTK;1346514]And yet we managed to punk them last year when they were 8-0 and we were 4-5.

It's a week to week league.[/quote]

It is indeed a week to week league. And I do hope this serves as a learning experience for Howell, and a wake up to this coaching staff that they need to help this mediocre squad of an Oline that they put together...
It's hard to be feel confident right now though.

To tone the panic down though: even if we were to lose to the Eagles we'd be 2-2, with 3 winnable games ahead against the Bears, Falcons and Giants.

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[quote=MTK;1346514]And yet we managed to punk them last year when they were 8-0 and we were 4-5.

It's a week to week league.[/quote]

Ironically, we beat the Eagles last year by running the hell out of the ball. Which is what we need to do more.

It is right down RIDICULOUS that we ran the ball 5 times in the first half and B.Rob played in 20 snaps in the whole game.

EB needs to stop Scott Turnering the offense, and adapt to the personnel/talent he has. Howell needs to stop holding on to the ball. And Gibson needs to sit on the f*cking bench.

I know it is hindsight, but I wish EB would have brought in J. McKinnon in the offseason.

Also, the next person that believes any of our crappy players are tradeable (to whoever said we should "trade" Gibson) needs to be banned for a month or something.

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At least we're not the Broncos. On to Philly.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1346522]At least we're not the Broncos. On to Philly.[/quote]

Or we're lucky not to have Josh McDaniels as a coach, who seems to be on schedule to run a second NFL team into the ground.

Interested take from former tackle that played for McDaniels (some of you may recognize Tyler Polumbus):

[url]https://twitter.com/Tyler_Polumbus/status/1575514799936454658[/url]

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Fucking Hilarious! Rivera sucks at Uno.

[url]https://twitter.com/_mattschoen_/status/1706076968956076297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1706076968956076297%7Ctwgr%5E24814f12b7e9ad02857f3913fad028404631383f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hogshaven.com%2F2023%2F9%2F25%2F23888261%2Fwashington-commanders-vs-buffalo-bills-studs-and-duds[/url]

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1346496]The Bills player quoted by Keim also said of Sam "It's just growing pains". He's right. Sam is a virtual rookie so he can't be expected to perform like a seasoned veteran every week.[/quote]

I am not a big fan of the term "growing pains" as it is a colloquialism used for young players that people think will grow out of a certain trait, with out identifying why that is the belief. The fact that it is an identifiable trend after three games suggests that it might take awhile for that trait to improve. We will see I guess.

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[quote=MTK;1346514]And yet we managed to punk them last year when they were 8-0 and we were 4-5.

It's a week to week league.[/quote]

I don't get the entire "we suck attitude" we have been the epitome of an average team for the last 3 years. Won some games against good teams, lost some against bad teams, but didn't suck.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1346530]I don't get the entire "we suck attitude" we have been the epitome of an average team for the last 3 years. Won some games against good teams, lost some against bad teams, but didn't suck.[/quote]

You know how it goes, it's the end of the world after every loss.

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[quote=MTK;1346531]You know how it goes, it's the end of the world after every loss.[/quote]

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I can't help but think that another coach can't get more out of this group. You can't be in year 4 and have a home loss 37-3 against a coach who coached under you. That was embarrassing.

The Bills came into that game w/ only a couple sacks. smh.

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I blame this on coaching

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[QUOTE=MTK;1346514]And yet we managed to punk them last year when they were 8-0 and we were 4-5.

It's a week to week league.[/QUOTE]


Hey I didn’t say we would lose I said they scare me. My heart says any given Sunday. My brain says 2-2. Had both these games as losses so 2-2 is fine if that is the case, but again I need to see us compete against a good team. We lose like we did yesterday and, well, it is probably going to be a long year.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1346531]You know how it goes, it's the end of the world after every loss.[/QUOTE]


No, but after every mediocre season it is, and yesterday screamed here we go again.

Plus that wasn’t just a loss that was an ass pounding with literally every player and coach coming up small.

Bring on the birds for better or for worse.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1346534][url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/commanders-tied-for-second-most-sacks-allowed-through-first-three-games-of-a-season-since-1970/?fbclid=IwAR12TWKT-HNT8iDapyuY_cDJE0L2tatPsHWwzflhPA07u3A7s_eMzJTU5cw_aem_AUSEOk6cAU24Ce_PDpz9N16cYkn0ubGwiSlbHQ00MdZDeR-oxaNip9FCPI6AbL8sR1o&mibextid=Zxz2cZ#lmz4n90tplcbw17iy78[/url]

I blame this on coaching[/quote]

Agreed. But there are ways to minimize this:

Coaches need to get through to Howell and have him make smarter decisions with the ball. He needs to stop holding on to the ball and know when to get rid of it.

He also needs to protect himself. He had a long run in the first half and pretty much got crunched instead of sliding and protecting himself. He's going to get killed if he doesn't learn to how slide and protect himself on those scrambles.

EB needs to adjust his game plan and focus on the run. Having B. Rob play 20 snaps and only running the ball 5 times in the first half is unacceptable. I also think they need to start getting Rodriguez more involved, given Gibson's fumble problems.

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Gibson definitely has playmaker ability, but he needs to be in space if they are going to use him at all. His propensity the cough up to the ball is just too great. He's not to be trusted.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1346534][url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/commanders-tied-for-second-most-sacks-allowed-through-first-three-games-of-a-season-since-1970/?fbclid=IwAR12TWKT-HNT8iDapyuY_cDJE0L2tatPsHWwzflhPA07u3A7s_eMzJTU5cw_aem_AUSEOk6cAU24Ce_PDpz9N16cYkn0ubGwiSlbHQ00MdZDeR-oxaNip9FCPI6AbL8sR1o&mibextid=Zxz2cZ#lmz4n90tplcbw17iy78[/url]

I blame this on coaching[/quote]

It's coaching, poor ability of identifying personnel (which can also fall under the "coaching category"), and Howell holding onto the ball too long.

The first one can help mitigate the latter two with better game planning and being aware of your current personnel.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1346537]Agreed. But there are ways to minimize this:

Coaches need to get through to Howell and have him make smarter decisions with the ball. He needs to stop holding on to the ball and know when to get rid of it.

He also needs to protect himself. He had a long run in the first half and pretty much got crunched instead of sliding and protecting himself. He's going to get killed if he doesn't learn to how slide and protect himself on those scrambles.

EB needs to adjust his game plan and focus on the run. Having B. Rob play 20 snaps and only running the ball 5 times in the first half is unacceptable. I also think they need to start getting Rodriguez more involved, given Gibson's fumble problems.[/quote]

Some of those sacks were also caused by blown assignments like BRob not blocking the end rushing. Need to clean up and Wylie needs to do his job instead of talking about it.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1346539]Gibson definitely has playmaker ability, but he needs to be in space if they are going to use him at all. His propensity the cough up to the ball is just too great. He's not to be trusted.[/quote]

I'm had enough of Gibson. The fumbling is just inexcusable.

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[quote=MTK;1346542]I'm had enough of Gibson. The fumbling is just inexcusable.[/quote]

The only reason he’s still with the team is the speed he has for his size, is hard to find anywhere. Someone needs to drill to his head to protect the ball or you are not playing.

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I will give up .14 seconds (in 40 yards) to make sure we retain possession of the football. He's not that anomalous.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1346542]I'm had enough of Gibson. The fumbling is just inexcusable.[/QUOTE]Same here. I wish we could have moved on from him and gotten someone like J. McKinnon.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1346530]I don't get the entire "we suck attitude"[B] we have been the epitome of an average team for the last 3 years[/B]. Won some games against good teams, lost some against bad teams, but didn't suck.[/quote]

Truth is that average is a lofty aspiration for this team, we are bad and have been throughout Rivera's tenure.

:Flush:

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[quote=Ruhskins;1346545]Same here. I wish we could have moved on from him and gotten someone like J. McKinnon.

Sent from my SM-S911U using Tapatalk[/quote]

I wanted that dude.

Run the ball more EB. This Oline isn’t a 50 drop back oliine

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[QUOTE=davy;1346546]Truth is that average is a lofty aspiration for this team, we are bad and have been throughout Rivera's tenure.

:Flush:[/QUOTE]


The whole we suck thing pre- dates Ron. We sucked throughout Snyders tenure.
The new owner is here, but has not had a chance to put his stamp on things. Not much you can do when you arrive on the scene in basically August. Everyone and everything around him is Dan Snyder. Maybe the feeling and the vibe changed, but physically it is still the same team and organization. It was never going to be drastically different this year.
Remember we all were saying when Snyder actually sells that this season is a win no matter what? I feel like everyone was just saying that now. Lol. That still holds true because no matter what happens this year, nobody can say things are never going to change with Dan Snyder here. We will never get competent people to come here. They are going to come here and things will change drastically.
Still a lot of trash to take out. Still a lot of new people (presumably competent ones) to arrive. A draft and a huge free agency period with an actual GM. Not Ron fuckin Rivera who only cares if you played for or drove thru Carolina when he was there.

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I think the Snyder stuff when it comes to Ron is overblown. He hired Ron and left him alone. Ron had to deal with all the off field crap and name change, that w/out question was a distraction but he's been able to do his own thing here.

Gruden had to deal w/ way more than Ron. Ron got to bring in his own coaches and players. He perhaps had to take on Haskins in order to get the job, if that's true then that's his own fault.

I think Ron has got the team back to respectability. But that's as far as we're going w/ him.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1346552]I think the Snyder stuff when it comes to Ron is overblown. He hired Ron and left him alone. Ron had to deal with all the off field crap and name change, that w/out question was a distraction but he's been able to do his own thing here.

Gruden had to deal w/ way more than Ron. Ron got to bring in his own coaches and players. He perhaps had to take on Haskins in order to get the job, if that's true then that's his own fault.

I think Ron has got the team back to respectability. But that's as far as we're going w/ him.[/QUOTE]


Oh im in no way excusing Ron for anything, just pointing out that we have been non contenders forever.

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We will not reach playoffs with this staff .. EB confuses Sam with Patrick .. Ron just stands there arms folded , Jack has a lot of talent at his disposal and yet still can’t get it done ..
Philly will win 13 games , Dallas 10 games , Giants 8 games , we will be lucky to win 7 games .. Snyder is gone and we need to let New Owners evaluate and hopefully we get better ..
I’m interested in seeing if Howell is the answer at QB .. That is the only reason I’m interested in this season .. I’m more disappointed in EB play calling than Sam( he is more or less a rookie ) what is EB’s excuse ??
We get absolutely Destroyed next week
Philly 52 us 13 .. Sam won’t finish and Brissett won’t do any better because we have no coaching ..

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And no o-line

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[quote=Meks;1346562]And no o-line[/quote]

Yep …. Ron didn’t think that was a priority…

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There's four new starters on the O-line (if you include Cosmi). They made the O-line a priority, and they are better than last year's unit. If you had someone calling plays that would take into account the fact that you have a rookie QB...if you had a more seasoned QB who could get rid of the ball on time and get into the right plays/protections based on what the opposing defense is doing, it wouldn't look as bad as it has.

It's still early, but if they get stomped by Philly because the new OC can't adjust to his personnel and the opposing D, then I don't want to hear anymore about him replacing Ron.

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Agree to disagree. This o line unit is just as bad or worse through 3 games. I hope they improve or something changes scheme wise to assist them. They are hot trash.

2 seconds to the qb majority of the game Sunday. No qb, I don't care how seasoned, is going to perform fantastic under those conditions. And EB sucked Sunday. Too stubborn and ego driven to adjust in game. Hope he takes a long look in the mirror and swallows whatever pride he's clinging to.

And just because they have 4 new bodies, below average bodies, doesn't say "priority" at all lol.

Rolling with new ppl doesn't mean they took the time or gave it the attention needed. Priority would be a shot at improvement, not regression until prove otherwise... to me anyway.

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OL has been a slow-moving train wreck since last year. Anyone who thought we addressed it in any real way before the season was fooling themselves.

the bad news is there's no way to fix the lack of talent on the OL. adjustments can be made though (more runs, quicker QB decisions, better chips by backs and ends, etc.)

That said, the sky isn't falling. This week's team is not significantly different than the one that won the first 2 games. Rookie QB + bad OL means we're going to take losses. Allen had a 4 int game 2 weeks ago; sometimes things just don't work out.

The improvement at QB, WR, and DB should leave us with a better team this year. Hopefully this offseason they finally get another LB and 3+ OL. I don't like that Howell is heading towards 90+ sacks at this rate, that has given other QBs the yips before.

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I get it. It hasn't looked good for the most part. Last year's O-line seems better I guess, because you had Heinicke running around with his hair on fire most of the game. Either way, I do think bringing in four new starters was taking a shot at improvement. This unit has played together a total of three games with a new QB and a new offense/OC. Defenses are doing what they should do and coming after Howell because he's still learning. It all needs to get better, and with time I think it will - if Sam survives his decisions.

I remember when Philly came in to Fedex in week 3 last year and had 9 sacks, then we turned around and took their undefeated season from them a few weeks later

We're 2-1 for goodness sakes. I understand the hope for next year and beyond, but can't we have a little for the current year too?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1346568]I get it. It hasn't looked good for the most part. Last year's O-line seems better I guess, because you had Heinicke running around with his hair on fire most of the game. Either way, I do think bringing in four new starters was taking a shot at improvement. This unit has played together a total of three games with a new QB and a new offense/OC. Defenses are doing what they should do and coming after Howell because he's still learning. It all needs to get better, and with time I think it will - if Sam survives his decisions.

I remember when Philly came in to Fedex in week 3 last year and had 9 sacks, then we turned around and took their undefeated season from them a few weeks later

We're 2-1 for goodness sakes. I understand the hope for next year and beyond, but can't we have a little for the current year too?[/quote]

I'm of the same mind. I actually like what I see from SH, even the Bills game. He was trying to conjure something up, maybe trying too hard, and for me said all the right things afterwards. He just has to follow up and show its not just talk.

Almost every O is still establishing an identity by week 3 or 4. I think EB is feeling out what he has, and I think he trusts SH to learn fast on the job. Question is, can he adjust his play calling on the fly better than he did this game. Screen and run game should have been a focus to mitigate the Bills DL and particularly their LBs, but it felt like EB thought we could pass our way out of trouble. At 13-0 down the sky wasn't falling, so slow the game down and keep the Bills O off the field; try to grind it out.

D didn't help, though turnovers didn't make their job easier. I was worried they would expose our LBs and that largely came to pass. For me, Hudson was made for games like this (covering TEs and edge blitz pressure) and I have to wonder why he's not being utilised. Starters aren't getting it done...

We're middle of the pack at this stage. How we fare against the Eagles and Cowboys will determine our season, and for me its far from a lost cause yet. We have to see the Giants as 2 winnable games, so 4-2 in the division would be a good result. Right now though I'd say 2 losses to the Eagles would be no surprise. I can see us being 5-2 by the second Eagles game, and 7-4 (maybe 8-3) by the 1st Cowboys game. That would put pressure on Dallas and give us a good chance if at least 1 win against them.

This season is far from over.

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this kind of annoys me.

[url]https://twitter.com/BuffaloBills/status/1706036245074190690?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1706036245074190690%7Ctwgr%5E0cf348b47420560308fa4c6cefe9382520f9926f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.espn.com%2F[/url]

Hmmm, if your going brag at least make sure your brag is accurate. Old Bay is a Baltimore thing not DC. Lame.

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I try and wait a few days before talking about the positives/negatives of the game. I'm not fazed by the outcome of the game; the Bills are a far superior team in all facets of the game.

O-Line: We should be expecting this type of play from this group. They were a problem last year, this preseason, and will continue to be a problem. Ron is to blame, and this should have been addressed. His idea of playing solid defense, running the ball, and controlling the clock won't work if we can' t create holes for our backs and protect QB1.

Sam: I'm not worried about it. The kid is still a rookie in the grand scheme of things. I fully expect him to trend upward the more EB works with him.

Ron: As much as I like him as a person, he is the mid-tier coach that we knew we were getting. If we don't make the playoffs and win a game this year, he needs to be gone.

Defense: Decent job considering who we were playing. J. Allen is a monster.

Dallas lost to the Jets. We beat the Jets. We are better than Dallas:)

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We had 8.1 yards per rush vs the Bills. The O-line had something to do with that. Sam didn't play great, but he needs help from his OC. Bills just continued to tee off on him, and EB did nothing to adjust to that - just kept inexplicably calling pass plays and putting him in positions to fail. The part of the game plan that was so successful against the Broncos must have been misplaced in Denver. 29 passes compared to 13 rushes was a recipe for a 30+ point loss.