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[quote=Chico23231;1356549]Ron maybe a nice guy, but he had no fucking business being final say especially with the roster. Complete clown with his decisions

He handed us one of the worst season in franchise history.

Sorry, Jay Gruden was a better coach[/quote]

Jim Zorn was a better coach!!

:Flush:

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[quote=Schneed10;1356482]You misread it bro. Jesus Christ.[/quote]

I am just a guy lost in the forest trying to see the trees.

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[quote=mredskins;1356574]sarcasm bro sarcasm[/quote]

Lol my bad.. Sometimes it's tough to tell if someone on here is being sarcastic or not.

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I don’t hold 4-13 against Ron this season as much as I would in one of his previous seasons. Harris, all of us, and the entire Washington football universe including the ghosts of Redskins past, wanted 100% clarity this year that his tenure was over. When Sweat and Chase were dealt, Ron understood that he was a dead man walking and that the point of this season was to tee up draft position and picks for a new regime.

In this view, Ron coached this year exactly how he was supposed to and succeeded magnificently, securing the #2 pick. As the expressions go, he fell on his sword, took one for the team, and was a gentleman right to the end. Thanks, Ron, job well done. Now go enjoy your 7 million. I mean it, I really do.


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[quote=nonniey;1356639]Incorrect. It is a smart move. They wait to see if he gets hired as a HC, if he does, we get a pick in 2025 I believe under the NFLs minority hire/development program. If we just cut him loose, we wouldn't. We can always cut him loose later if he isn't picked up.[/quote]


[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-compensatory-picks-for-minority-coaches-and-executives-explained[/url]

The employer-club shall be eligible to receive this Draft choice compensation if:
a. The minority employee hired as a Head Coach or Primary Football Executive has been employed by the employer-club for a minimum of two full seasons; and
b. The minority employee is not the Head Coach or Primary Football Executive of the employer-club and is hired into the same position with the new club. There can be no break in employment between clubs.

The word [B]and[/B] instead of [B]or[/B] is confusing to me. EB could fall under b but doesn't meet the a.

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I thought the argument on keeping EB around at least until spring, is that anyone wanting to sign him has to compensate us because he's under contract, not because of the minority rules?

On RR I think part of his problem was his desire to stick by his staff as far as possible. He stuck with Turner longer than he should have and had to be virtually forced to sack JDR et al. I think loyalty is an admirable trait, but a HC has to do what's best for a team rather than for his friends. That often means being ruthless even with long time buddies.

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[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/were-ron-rivera-2-biggest-104517021.html[/url]

Parting ways with Kyle Smith

In the 2019 Redskins draft room, Kyle Smith (director of college scouting) asked the room whom they were going to draft at No. 15? Sources have agreed there was silence, and one voice finally answered: the owner himself. The choice was going to be Dwayne Haskins.

Smith reportedly proceeded to implore the room to please consider drafting one of three players. But the owner had spoken.

Rivera was hired the following January. Smith basically constructed the draft board and led the room through the draft. Rivera was pleased and publicly praised Smith for his leadership in that draft.

But in later months of that 2020 season, Rivera grew cold toward Smith; not praising him, nor even mentioning him. Rivera determined instead to hire Marty Hurney and Martin Mayhew.

Yes, Rivera got what he wanted, but he also lost what he had. In Smith, he had a young man, full of energy and a voracious work ethic. He also possessed, in Smith, the one man who carried courage in the organization to tell Rivera and Snyder what they needed to hear.

Smith understandably departed following the 2020 season. In all three drafts (2021-23) Smith would clearly not have drafted as Rivera and the Marty’s did. Do you think Smith would have reached on Jamin Davis at No.19? Valuing draft choices, can you even imagine Smith trading up for a long snapper (Camaron Cheeseman)?

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I don't understand the love for Kyle Smith. He left here three years ago. Some were clamoring for him to be the GM here in 2021, and guess what, he's still an Assistant GM. In 2021 he drafted TE Kyle Pitts, CB Richie Grant, OL Jalen Mayfield, and Darren Hall in the first four rounds. Other than Pitts, they all suck.

His drafts with the Falcons aren't impressive. K Pitts, D London, and B Robinson are good, but I don't feel like we've missed much.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1356913]I don't understand the love for Kyle Smith. He left here three years ago. Some were clamoring for him to be the GM here in 2021, and guess what, he's still an Assistant GM. In 2021 he drafted TE Kyle Pitts, CB Richie Grant, OL Jalen Mayfield, and Darren Hall in the first four rounds. Other than Pitts, they all suck.

His drafts with the Falcons aren't impressive. K Pitts, D London, and B Robinson are good, but I don't feel like we've missed much.[/quote]

He was so shitty that the 49ers wanted him but lost to the Falcons.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1356914]He was so shitty that the 49ers wanted him but lost to the Falcons.[/quote]

Man, you don't have a middle ground. Seems like you either really like someone or think they're an asshole lol.

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Truth is factor in all Ron had to deal with and health issues .. it's not likely anyone else would have even stayed the course .. I truly believe that he had way too much on his plate and should have never been in total control of draft .. He needed better coordinators that's for sure .. But in the end it was all on him

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1356914]He was so shitty that the 49ers wanted him but lost to the Falcons.[/quote]

Shitty may be a bit strong. I would say he's ok, average, unsought, not highly regarded... I don't hear his name being thrown around as someone who is on a short list of GM candidates, but maybe I missed that.

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[quote=MTK;1356510]Ron is a great guy, just didn't get it done here, just like everyone else in the Snyder era. Wish him the best.[/quote]

This. I've never had such a discrepancy between my level of respect for the man and the coach...

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Ron getting an interview for the Eagles DC

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[quote=MTK;1357606]Ron getting an interview for the Eagles DC[/quote]

awesome! they should hire him

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LMAO

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RR might be a good hire for them. He was awful here as a HC but he might find success over there. I really do wish him well.

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I hope they hire him and he fills in his staff with ex Panthers and Commanders.


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[quote=HTTR;1357613]I hope they hire him and he fills in his staff with ex Panthers and Commanders.


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Hopefully he can talk them into trading for StJuste, Davis and Forbes.

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It'd be nice if the Eagles D forgot what linebackers were for four or five years.

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I wish Ron all the best .. good person !

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The hate is real, but I appreciate his effort. He was dealt a bad hand from the get-go and honestly never had a real chance. I'm glad he's cancer free. I'm glad he's free from what once was - this franchise. I hope he finds success wherever he goes.

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People can say what they want about Ron during his time here, but he's coached up some good defenses in his time as a DC.

2004: No. 12 total defense, No. 13 scoring defense
2005: No. 2 total defense, No. 1 scoring defense
2006: No. 5 total defense, No. 3 scoring defense
2007: No. 14 total defense, No. 5 scoring defense (DC for part of the season after Chargers fired Ted Cottrell)
2008: No. 25 total defense, No. 15 scoring defense
2009: No. 16 total defense, No. 11 scoring defense
2010: No. 1 total defense, No. 10 scoring defense

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1357637]The hate is real, but I appreciate his effort. He was dealt a bad hand from the get-go and honestly never had a real chance. I'm glad he's cancer free. I'm glad he's free from what once was - this franchise. I hope he finds success wherever he goes.[/quote]

+1

Snyder could make any coach look bad.

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[quote=mooby;1357669]+1

Snyder could make any coach look bad.[/quote]

Nobody left here looking good as far as wins and losses went, but the rest of the league knew what was up. This was where you went to get paid and to use as a stepping stone to better opportunities.

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Please hire Ron Dallas. Please. First thing he will do is get in Jerrys ear about trading Parsons for position flex players!

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I think Parsons would lose his mind if he had to play under Boring ass RR

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1358772]I think Parsons would lose his mind if he had to play under Boring ass RR[/quote]

you're assuming ron wouldn't cut him first. Ron hates having LB's on the roster.

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After fours watching Ron you should know that Ron will play him at CB because that gives position flex...... a phrase I hope I never hear again from the new regime

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1357637]The hate is real, but I appreciate his effort. He was dealt a bad hand from the get-go and honestly never had a real chance. I'm glad he's cancer free. I'm glad he's free from what once was - this franchise. I hope he finds success wherever he goes.[/quote]

I don't really feel this way. He knew, or should have known, just what type of man he was getting into bed with. He was not dealt a bad hand, he put himself in this bad situation and then failed miserably at every aspect of the job. I grew tired of his excuses such as claiming this was a young team when the truth was it was league average in age. He asked for full control of personnel and then turned into the worst talent evaluator we have ever seen in Washington.

He IS a good guy and I am glad he beat cancer (for now) but I'm not going away from this feeling anything good about Ron Rivera.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1358808]After fours watching Ron you should know that Ron will play him at CB because that gives position flex...... a phrase I hope I never hear again from the new regime[/quote]

The sad part of this is there is some truth to it.

Forbes, BSJ, and everyone else in the secondary have to be excited to this move. Dallas has put their secondary in position to make plays not wait and react to plays.

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[quote=jamf;1358826]The sad part of this is there is some truth to it.

Forbes, BSJ, and everyone else in the secondary have to be excited to this move. Dallas has put their secondary in position to make plays not wait and react to plays.[/quote]

This is how Rivera coaches defense:

[YT]RNEETyxPunw[/YT]

Alright, you're a good safety, but can you play outside linebacker?

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1358813]I don't really feel this way. He knew, or should have known, just what type of man he was getting into bed with. He was not dealt a bad hand, he put himself in this bad situation and then failed miserably at every aspect of the job. I grew tired of his excuses such as claiming this was a young team when the truth was it was league average in age. He asked for full control of personnel and then turned into the worst talent evaluator we have ever seen in Washington.

He IS a good guy and I am glad he beat cancer (for now) but I'm not going away from this feeling anything good about Ron Rivera.[/quote]

There's no telling what type of crap Snyder told Ron in the interview process. Hell, Snyder touted this "coach centric system" in Ron's introductory presser, and then proceeded to force Ron to stick with Haskins.

I don't want to sound like a Ron apologist, we all know he did plenty of crap on his own to aid in his demise with his personnel decisions both on players and coaches. But some of you sound like Ron was coaching for Robert Kraft or some other amazing owner.

Snyder was terrible. He meddled in QB decisions at least twice in Ron's tenure (Haskins and Wentz), was sucking the team for money and who knows how this affected free agency, and there's all the harassment and fraud lawsuits that I'm sure were a distraction. You could combine Steve Walsh, Joe Gibbs, and Vince Lombardi into a single coach, and that coach would likely fail under Snyder.

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Ron didn't get it done, I'm sure he would do a lot of things different if he had the chance, but it was an almost impossible job with the "coach-centric" BS and Snyder's shit pile of issues he dragged the organization down with.

But it's done, time for everyone to regroup and move on.

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[quote=MTK;1358836]Ron didn't get it done, I'm sure he would do a lot of things different if he had the chance, but it was an almost impossible job with the "coach-centric" BS and Snyder's shit pile of issues he dragged the organization down with.

But it's done, time for everyone to regroup and move on.[/quote]

Amen to that.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1358808]After fours watching Ron you should know that Ron will play him at CB because that gives position flex...... a phrase I hope I never hear again from the new regime[/quote]

"Position flex" needs to be incidental--not a primary reason that we pursue anyone.