Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread
 

For two straight seasons Gibbs has tried to replace Ramsey--one through FA, the other through the draft (and we overpaid in both cases). That alone should confirm that Ramsey is not Gibbs' guy.
Now lets look at history. Doug Williams was eased in after Jay Schroeder got hurt, while Mark Rypien took Doug Williams' job when he was injured (does anybody remember Williams' tearing up on Channel 9?!?). I will be shocked if it is not Brunell is not tapped to start next week--regardless of how Ramseys neck is...

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Moss practically had his jersey ripped off on the play, it was clearly PI, not a return the favor call.[/QUOTE]

Definitely a real pass interference the defender had a fist full of jersey and dragged Moss to the ground. This was not a make up call this was the only call that a person who has functioning vision could call. So what I'm trying to say is that it is a miracle that the refs in the game got this call right. ;)

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I think Gibbs will eventually learn that Brunell won't be a winning QB with our team he may take away mistakes but he makes our offense very one dimensional. The skins have made countless player personnel mistakes in his short tenure. I think we as a team need to realize this or perish Ramsey should be given this year, and if that doesn't work we must go another way. Another way doesn't include Brunnel.

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As much as I love Ramsey and would like to see him start next week, I can't really get livid with him if he goes with Brunell. Ramsey's three drives went like this - interception, fumble (recovered) and punt, and fumble (lost).

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]As much as I love Ramsey and would like to see him start next week, I can't really get livid with him if he goes with Brunell. Ramsey's three drives went like this - interception, fumble (recovered) and punt, and fumble (lost).[/QUOTE]

I'm with you, I want Ramsey to play and be successful, but the proof is right there, he played 3 series and threw 1 INT and fumbled twice.

I really can't blame Gibbs if he doesn't have 100% confidence in him right now, how can you?

With this defense and running game, the last thing we need is the QB turning it over.

Like it or not, this is the kind of team we are, we're going to win by running the ball and playing hard nosed defense.

Perhaps Brunell is the exact kind of QB we need right now. I don't understand all the hate people still have for him. He played well in the preseason and he was efficient again today. Nothing spectacular, but he didn't turn it over and he converted on some key 3rd downs to keep drives moving.

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I'm sorry but you are going to blame Ramsey for the last fumble that he lost when he was linch pinned around the neck? Unfortunately the penately was not called but that certainly can not be blamed on him. That was a serious situation that no person would be able to with stand. Thankfully he was not severely injury (thank goodness). So please, when you are attributing mistakes, reasonably that one should be eliminated from the tally. In addition this was Ramsey's first game and he was bound to be a little nervous. How many chances did Brunell get last year without any production. His arm did not look too wonderful today either, and as far as mistakes, I think that it was rather difficult for Brunell to make many with the conservative offense that the Redskins called (Gibbs called) while he was in there, because of the great production that we were getting from our running backs. Compare that to the relatively fresh defense that Ramsey had to face in the beginning of the game and report back. Ramsey in essence had more success on the Bears, and if he had not sustained that injury would have continued to produce throughout the rest of the game in my opinion.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan0201]I'm sorry but you are going to blame Ramsey for the last fumble that he lost when he was linch pinned around the neck? Unfortunately the penately was not called but that certainly can not be blamed on him. That was a serious situation that no person would be able to with stand. Thankfully he was not severely injury (thank goodness). So please, when you are attributing mistakes, reasonably that one should be eliminated from the tally. In addition this was Ramsey's first game and he was bound to be a little nervous. How many chances did Brunell get last year without any production. His arm did not look too wonderful today either, and as far as mistakes, I think that it was rather difficult for Brunell to make many with the conservative offense that the Redskins called (Gibbs called) while he was in there, because of the great production that we were getting from our running backs. Compare that to the relatively fresh defense that Ramsey had to face in the beginning of the game and report back. Ramsey in essence had more success on the Bears, and if he had not sustained that injury would have continued to produce throughout the rest of the game in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

In the end it doesn't matter if the fumble was his fault or not, in the stat book he fumbled twice and threw an INT.

Look, I'm a Ramsey supporter. I hope he comes back strong and plays well. All I'm saying is it's obvious why Gibbs might not have a ton of confidence in him right now.

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If the offensive PI call does not happen (didn't see a replay, so I have no idea what happened) Ramsey on that drive hit a long pass to Moss and a TD to Cooley. There would be no discussion here. In the 2nd half, Portis cam to life. That makes a QBs job easier. There was not much of a running game with Ramsey in there. Brunnell made some clutch 3rd down throws, but so did PR.

The main knock on PR is how long it takes him to read defenses. Brunnell does a better job there. But PR with time is a better passer. Still, Brunnell hit that great roll-out fake reverse play (best call of the game)--not sure Pat can hit that. So both have their strong points. I'd stick with PR. But there is just no doubt that Gibbs feels more comfortable with Brunnell in there--not sure if it's just because he overpaid for him, but really its because he admires Mark as a person, leader, etc. And he ALWAYS went with vets in the past. We'll see.

Gotta score more than 9 points, no matter who is in there. What is wrong with our red zone offense?!?!?! COME ON! That's got to be fixed.

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Yeah, my point is that if the penalty was called, as it should have been, as ESPN certainly as well as Gibbs said that should have been called then he never would have fumbled. When you are reviewing those stats, you normally would discount that stat because normally that penalty would be called and the referees say that their main job is to protect the quarterback. Knowing that the circumstance of Ramsey being tackled around the throat would be the exception and not the norm you can not fault him for that particular turnover.

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As far as the hit and fumble on Ramsey goes, why are we go backing and forth on how it looks on the stat sheet and so forth? The fact is, he got hit very hard, and he fumbled - that's football!! Should it have been a penalty - of course. It was a very physical game and sometimes, unfortunately, these type of 'hits' get overlooked. The thing to really see here is that it seems like Ramsey has a penchant for these types of errors, whether they are of his own doing or not. And that's the thing the concerns Gibbs the most.

Beyond that, I've been a Ramsey supporter for the most part. But in my opinion, the offfense just runs a little smoother when Brunell is in there. It seems like the defense wasn't keying in on Portis very much and freed him up a little more. He just seems to command the offense a little more.

Now I don't won't to defend Brunell here, but I'm sure this is the most he's played with the first team offense this year. Seeing that Ramsey takes about 90% of the snaps in practice. Maybe, just maybe with a full week of game planning and practicing with the first team, things would have looked a little different for 'Scott' Brunell.

The only way I think Gibbs will solve this QB dillima, that he has created, is to trade either Ramsey or Brunell. And it's very unlikely that he will trade the latter of the two.

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I am going to disagree with the notion that the O is smoother with Brunnell under center. Ramsey had just gotten settled into the game, was driving the team, had a touchdown called back because of phantom offensive pass interference and got clotheslined on a play that was ignored by the zebras. Brunell managed not to fuck things up. That's not the definition I want of our STARTING quarterback, that's a back-up, plain and simple.

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Well seeing that's basically what his role was when he went into the game, it's good he didn't screw up. And it's not like Brunell is calling the plays anyway. But I still stick by my initial statement.

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Bottom line Gibbs doesn't like Ramsey, but in part because he looks foolish with the Brunell trade, and the 43 mil we gave for a washed up backup at best and is dying to justify it, Gibbs wont tolerate turnovers? He sure did last year with Brunell for 8 games in which if Brunell just didn't allow the opposing defense to score we would have won 2 more games. Ramsey hangs in the pocket and tries to make play's, Brunell? Seem's to me all Brunell has to do, and all he does is try not to turn the ball over so he can be the apple of Gibbs eye, forget about marching the team downfield. I really would like to know what anyone saw in Brunell sunday to say that's our guy? 70yds passing in 2 1/2 quarters, you have to be kidding me! We had a whopping 3 fieldgoals.

I didn't see all the press confrence but Gibbs and the staff apparently didn't allow Patrick back in because of their concerns for his neck, I really hope Gibbs isn't useing this to get the teachers pet back on the field?

If we are to do anything this season Ramsey has to be the guy!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gibbs did a great job down the stretch as well, allowing the bears another opportunity instead of selling out to make a first down or 5 extra yards to put us in fieldgoal range in a 2 point game, IMO Gibbs is still coaching scared, and that fear is permeating both QB's, not just Ramsey.

Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread
 

I think i agree with most, leave ramsey in, he's got more big plays (but is inconsistant)... and be thankful brunell can serve as a good backup.

I'm not really happy with the level of play coming out of the QBs, I think brunell is on the decline and it takes a long time to figure out if a QB is any good (mcnabb and manning lost bunches of games), but I really don't know how much talent we have there right now total. Hopefully campbell learns how to read defenses so he can clear the issue up in the next two years, and hopefully ramsey can limit the turnovers until then.

The scheme is MUCH better this year, I didn't want to break my TV once this game, but I'd really like to leave ramsey in because brunell seems to refuse to try and attack opposing defenses.

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Brunell did his job. He's a backup. I can't see why the media, fans, and even Joe Gibbs himself can't be satisfied with that. Ramsey had the first pick that was bad, no doubt, although I have no idea why there were two WRs practically side-by-side...you'll note if you watch the replay that it was actually Patten's defender who catches the overthrow, and I have to think David was supposed to run him off.

In any case, aside from the pick and a few early struggles, Ramsey looked pretty damn good, I thought. He looked very efficient, and even converted some 3rd and longs, which we simply NEVER did last season. He would have had a TD had Cooley not been called for a ridiculous PI, and he quite frankly outplayed Brunell easily. I still don't know why everyone thinks Brunell was a different player out there; I saw the same QB with better arm strength. He is simply not dynamic, and will not LEAD this team to victories. He may keep us from losing a few, but this team is not good enough to go into games TRYING NOT TO LOSE. We have to go into games cutting it loose, playing a bit recklessly at times even, not simply settling for safe 4 yard dumpoffs, and more importantly, not settling for the mindset that goes along with those 4 yarders. As much as I hate to say it, Gibbs needs to take a miniscule page from the Ol' Ball Coach's book and let Patrick go out there and "play a little pitch and catch." He excels in that sort of role, as we saw today, and it would open things up wide for Clinton and Ladell.

That's my two cents, anyway, and two cents is just about what it's worth.

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12th man: RUNS better, as in OFFENSE running better, I don't think I understand your definition of offense running better, given that when Ramsey was in last year the team preceded to go 3-2 the remaining 5 games, whereas Brunell was incapable of getting anything going and is still relying on our running backs to do anything offense. In addition the Redskins are more versatile with Ramsey and the passing game in there. Furthermore, I am a little tired of fans always ready to bench or get rid of a guy that has not been given a true chance. RE: Trent Green, or Rich Gannon.

Where is your faith? If you were really supporting Ramsey "for the most part (ha ha)" you would opportune him a little more than a few series to prove his worth. In addition, he settled down after that few series yesterday. In my opinion, if you don't start Ramsey you will never know the full capability of a guy that we drafted in the first round a little over 3 years ago.

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In addition, doesn't this all seem like a little deja vu to you 12th man .....

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where would the commitment be to a guy that Gibbs promised would be the starter at the beginning of this season and in addition Ramsey did nothing for his job to be dramatically stripped from him in the second week of the season. Furthermore, Brunell did nothing yesterday to earn the starting quarterback role back given his performance yesterday.

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[QUOTE=sniks]Been reading the posts on this board for a couple months now and enjoy it very much.Ive been a redskins fan for manny many years.I live in CT. [/QUOTE]


Welcome sniks! You and gusbus! Wow! Two newbies! Just haven't seen both of you in the forum at the same time. Are you sure you aren't the same person? lol

Looking forward to future posts from both of you!

Re: Official Bench Ramsey / Start Brunell Thread
 

I have watched Ramsey over the past few years like everyone else. I was really excited when we drafted him. Big arm, tough! Gonna' take us to the next level in the model of Brett Farve! However, even with obvious chances to take the team, and establish himself as the uncontested starter, he has failed thus far. It's not my call to determine who should be the starter, and I want him to make it. The mistakes he makes REPEATEDLY are horrific and always at a catastrophic moment! We might argue, he has been jerked around by 18 different coaches and schemes, confidence shot, Gibbs doesn't like him, etc. Gibbs LOVES the QB who can PROVE he deserves it, like we all do. With all the confusion over the past couple of years that is responsible for Ramseys lack of confidence. so what? It doesn't matter. Just like the addiction commercial of a few years ago said " It's not your fault, but it is your problem". Such is the case for Ramsey. I have been a big fan of his and still am, however, at this time I am not sure he has it. Many QB's have made successful careers of doing what they know how to, and NOT killing their teams by doing the same drive KILLING stupid stuff. That may be the opening for Brunell. I did not see the game, but by the look of things, we have a running game. That with our D and a decent passing game, that sould be enough (Ala' Carolina). This may give us time to unf...k PR or move on with Jason. Just food for thought!!!!!!!!!!1

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I am torn. I think Brunell gives the team a better chance to win in Dallas, but I also don't think Ramsey did enough to lose the starting job in a little over a quarter of football...

That said, I think I would start brunell...it's about wins and losses in pro football not about whats fair to Pat...

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I'm torn also. I think that Dallas's defense is VERY easy to beat. Brunell thus far, has shown he is extremely accurate with short and intermediate passes while Ramsey can hit the deep ball or at least draw some PI calls. Basically, it's a pick your poison type of choice. I think that as long as we keep the turnovers down, we have a very good shot at this game.

As Gibbs has stressed time and time again, turnovers are the key. Score minus turnovers/bonehead (or BS) penalties: 16-0.

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I'm surprised we're actually talking about a qb change this early.

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IMO Gibbs should continue to let Ramsey start but keep him on a short leash. He did get decent yardage for only 1 1/2 quarters of play, but his interception and two fumbles are unacceptable (guess you can't blame him for the one since Briggs should've been called for a clothesline). If he can avoid turnovers and continue to move the offense effectively, he deserves to start. It would be rotten to demote the guy for getting injured. Brunell was decent, and I'm confident with him as a backup, but he didn't exactly put up a lot of points. If Ramsey falters badly in the next three games, then we should go to Brunell.

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True it is not what is completely fair to Pat (though Gibbs should keep his word). Though in addition, in response to who gives the Redskins the best chance to win, overall Pat has a better record than Brunell in that catagory over the past season.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I'm with you, I want Ramsey to play and be successful, but the proof is right there, he played 3 series and threw 1 INT and fumbled twice.

I really can't blame Gibbs if he doesn't have 100% confidence in him right now, how can you?

With this defense and running game, the last thing we need is the QB turning it over.

Like it or not, this is the kind of team we are, we're going to win by running the ball and playing hard nosed defense.

Perhaps Brunell is the exact kind of QB we need right now. I don't understand all the hate people still have for him. He played well in the preseason and he was efficient again today. Nothing spectacular, but he didn't turn it over and he converted on some key 3rd downs to keep drives moving.[/QUOTE]



I do like it. Unfortunately, so do 31 defenses in the NFL. So unless we plan to run the wing T like Navy, they are going to stop the run.

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Ramsey deserves the start if healthy. I'm not convinced that the receiver didn't partially cause his interception by going outside instead of in. In addition, Ramsey made some nice throws. His arm is much stronger than Brunell. He should be afforded more than a quarter of football prior to losing his job.

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Way too early for a QB controversy, especially when both are mediocre QBs anyway. Stick with Ramsey.

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"He hurt his neck," Gibbs said. "For me, I personally felt like Mark got in there, looked pretty smooth and looked good. I felt like I could stay with Mark."

This quote from Redskins.com and Gibbs post game comments, tells me that Gibbs realized early in the game that it would be a low scoring "dog-fight" and he had seen enough out of Ramsey with the turnovers to keep him out of the game. Especially if the trainers were telling him Ramsey might be dizzy, had a concussion (my thoughts at the time) or whatever. My thoughts are that Ramsey will be benched this week. The team will say it is a precaution to his injury or whatever other excuse they want to use. It is sad because I think most of us here want so badly to see Ramsey succeed, but he is just not doing it. Or even separating himself from Brunell for that matter. It is a shame, because I think without Ramsey in against Dallas, we have no shot at winning next Monday. I can stomach a few of Ramsey's turnovers because our defense is so good. Brunell is just inept, and that is much harder for me to watch.

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Here's the telling stat that gives a healthy Ramsey another start:

Mark Brunell yards per attempt: 5.00

Patrick Ramsey yards per attempt: 9.55

If stretching out the field is what you intend to do - and the acquisition of speed receivers coupled with a desire to run outside says that it is - you go with the guy that threatens to stretch the field, not with the guy who averages nearly half his yards.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]Here's the telling stat that gives a healthy Ramsey another start:

Mark Brunell yards per attempt: 5.00

Patrick Ramsey yards per attempt: 9.55

If stretching out the field is what you intend to do - and the acquisition of speed receivers coupled with a desire to run outside says that it is - you go with the guy that threatens to stretch the field, not with the guy who averages nearly half his yards.[/QUOTE]
agreed.

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This all reminds me so much of the early 70's when we had Sonny & Billy. Sonny & Billy stickers, some want Sonny, some want Billy. Right now we are in a situation where neither QB can be counted on to successfully get the job done, hence all the confusion. I'm still waiting for one of the two to emerge as the leader, but from what I've seen through four pre-season games, and the first reg-season game it looks very much like 04-05 all over again.

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where's the other category cause if were going to leave in the human turnover machine in ramsey. i would rather start J.C. i do not see us making the playoffs with our anemic offense. i'd rather have J.C. ready for next year then have to wait another year of development.

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Gibbs stuck with Brunell last season through hell and highwater, retarding Ramseys growth as a QB, I personally believe Gibbs is partly looking for an excuse to explain away HIS inability to really coordiante a consistant passing game.

Mark my words all the guy's here who want to see Brunell in there will be calling for his head after 1 game, once they see him throwing the ball away, and 3 and out over and over again, I say start Brunell next week against the cowboys, it seems Brunell fails against the average defenses and Ramseys gets judged against the elite defenses while moveing the ball FAR better than Brunell on every occasion, I say lets get this over with once and for all.

Did anyone see the locker room interview with Brunell? When he was asked about his INT that was called back? He laughed and said he was trying to throw it 10 more yards downfield but he wasen't warmed up enough, WASEN'T WARMED UP ENOUGH????????? He came in mid way through the second quarter, is he telling me that he doesn't warm up before a game? Sounds to me like another excuse for Brunell, whether it comes from Gibbs or his own mouth, how does a veteran not be ready after a quarter and a half.

I also like the excuses Gibbs is trying to congure up about last year when the trainers came to him and said Brunell would be out for 2 weeks minimum after he hurt himself in the Giant game, but because Brunell told him he could go and he played him regardless, essentilly saying thats why Brunell failed last year because of an injury, forgetting he did nothing before the injury either. Now we are to believe he wont play Ramsey if he isn't 100% healthy when all he preaches is we need guys to play through injuries? Be tough and fight their guts out? Sorry but whether Ramsey succeed's or not, he really is being unfairly mistreated and scapegoated by Gibbs.


What's worse an ocaasional INT by Ramsey which I believe with time he will overcome, and have him move the ball up and down the field wearing the defense down, or watch Brunell throwing the ball away on third downs and constant 3 and out's leaving our defense on the field?

I will say it one more time 70 yards and no TD's in 2 1/2 quarters is this the QB of our future? Take a good look at those numbers because they are right inline with Brunells numbers last year!

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Great balls of fire!!!

Minnesota needs to Bench Culpepper did you see those awful plays interceptions fumbles and lost the damn game!! BENCH HIM! Sarcastic

Brett Farve Interception after interception and lost the game. BENCH HIM Sarcastic

Chad Pennington 6 fumbles and what two interceptions! Bench Him!! You get the picture

You've got to be kidding me we are basing and arguing about a quarterback controversy and we won. This type of inconsistency if they follow through with it and bench Ramsey is what has killed the Redskins in the past several years. So Ramsey has made some mistakes, we have yet to see him this year in a whole game, manage it from the get go. If he can eliminate even some of the mistakes the offense will be more productive than a flawless Brunell. 70 Yards passing in 2 1/2 quarters is ridiculous. If Brunell would play the whole game we would be looking at another monster passing day of barely over a 100 yards. Even your worst of QBS do better than that. I like Brunell as a back up, and pray that Gibbs gives Ramsey the reigns to finally work behind a solid line, good running game, and what appears can be a more effective offense. The bottom line is Quarterbacks in the best of situations have bad games proven in week one. McNabb what two or three years ago had that awful four week stretch and then turned it around and is one of the best in the league, do we have that in Ramsey if he can get comfortable I don't know, but he definitely deserves the chance. Can he be a Trent Green or a Brad Johnson.

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i like ramsey i even have his jersey, but this turn over thing has got to stop.throw it away, do that one thing and we wouldn't even be discussing this. the only reason i would say brunell above ramsey this weeken is the rush is going to be nuts. and ol lead foot is going to be hit.

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Okay, if everyone is so Ramsey afraid is gonna fumble or throw the game away with INT's we will never have to worry about that with Brunell. Because if we ever face a team who puts up 21 points we won't be in the damn game. That's fine though, it's the reason the Redskins are a losing franchise now. Everyone wants to "win now." Problem is with Brunell, we're not gonna win. If Brunell plays the way he did this week against Dallas and Dallas's O plays anywhere near the level they did we're gonna get torched. I would rather Ramsey come in and throw 20 picks on downfield balls then watch Brunell get off of the pocket and throw the ball out of bounds on third downs.

I'll agree, the pick Ramsey threw was horrendous. The sack that forced the first fumble was probably his fault, but we got it back. The last sack that he lost was [B]all the offensive line's fault.[/B] He didn't even finish his drop before his head got taken off. I don't wanna hear, oh Jansen's thumb, to hell with that. They got Ramsey killed. He didn't have time to get out of the way, the same damn thing would have happened to Brunell, but they didn't pressure Brunell. And they didn't need to. The reason I don't like Brunell? He was on pace to throw for about 120 yards on the day. That is terrible.

Next week we get Dallas and Demarcus Ware who looks like a beast. He's gonna eat up which ever QB we have in so I don't know how much I care who starts. I know one thing, if Brunell starts, they won't win. Just like last year when he started on Monday Night and everyone wanted to swear up and down that it wasn't his fault the Skins lost the game, but hey, he looked good against a whole bunch of guys who don't even play football now in the preseason...and he got hurt last year, so he never really got a fair shake. When does Patrick get a fair shake? When he leaves town? We can start Brunell and have the exact same year as last year or we could take a chance on Ramsey and see if maybe we can stop drafting in the top 10.

Bottom line: There's more potential to build a winning team with Ramsey, but nobody cares because Brunell doesn't make mistakes. Know what else he doesn't make? Any big plays. Does anyone remember last year? We looked exactly the same Sunday when Brunell was in. If that's what Joe Gibbs is looking for in a QB he needs go back into retirement because he's never gonna win again.

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Nothing made me more embarassed to be a Redskins fan then when Ramsey was getting booed by the fans. The game was 0 - 0. Ramsey had thrown a pick...the defense held. The Bears didn't score. The INT basically got wiped away. I do agree Ramsey should protect the ball better, but I think there are times the line needs to protect him better.

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I believe that if healthy then Ramsey should be the starter. We will never know what value he is to us-whether as our QB or as trade bait-if we don't give him the opportunity to start on a consistent basis for an extended period of time.

However, two things bother me about what I'm reading (or my interpretation of what I'm reading) on several posts here. It should be remembered that the strength of our team is our defense and our running game. It's as simple as that. So while I enjoy seeing big plays and an exciting aerial attack, the best QB for [I]this[/I] team is not necessarily one who's going to be make SportsCenter's Top 10. It's someone who puts the game in the hands of our defense and running game, and doesn't take opportunities away from them. I believe Ramsey is fully capable of being that QB. He doesn't need to be a superstar highlight reel to lead this team. Just a smart QB.

Secondly, I almost get the feeling (and I have a feeling I'm not alone) that some people here won't be happy unless Ramsey is the person at QB, regardless of whether we win. I don't know about the rest of you but first and foremost I'm a Redskins fan, whoever lines up behind center.

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As am I. If Brunell can play smart football (I'm confident that right now he plays smarter football than Ramsey) then I think we have a high chance of winning. He just needs to be consistent with his accuracy, but thus far this season, it hasn't really been a problem.