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Twilbert07 11-28-2005 09:06 AM

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I totally agree.

I think a lot of people are letting the players off way too easy.

There are a number of guys that just didn't get it done yesterday.[/QUOTE]
I agree about the players. Problem is, we don't have anyone else to turn to at several key positions. It says to me that we need a real general manager who can handle player personnel.

#56fanatic 11-28-2005 09:10 AM

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Lets stop all of the blame this blame that crap. Or this team is better than there record and thats a pretty good team. Fact is, the Redskins are not very good. The offense is bad, AGAIN!! the defense has been figured out, and the coach(GW) is not adjusting. Now given the last two weeks the Defense has played very good, the offense is back to where it was last year. I GOOD team finds ways to win. We were lucky to win the few games we have, except the San Fran game. Not one of our games has been a convinsing win. We need to stop making excuses, we are just not good enough to beat teams that are playoff contenders. This is the same thing that happened when Norv was the coach. We would play up or down to the level of our opponents. Good teams play solid football and win, not up or down, just win. Same crap, different year.

MTK 11-28-2005 09:13 AM

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07]I agree about the players. Problem is, we don't have anyone else to turn to at several key positions. It says to me that we need a real general manager who can handle player personnel.[/QUOTE]

To me it says we're in year 2 of a new coaching staff and we're still filling in all the holes and making adjustments.

Winners aren't built overnight.

Twilbert07 11-28-2005 09:15 AM

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]To me it says we're in year 2 of a new coaching staff and we're still filling in all the holes and making adjustments.

Winners aren't built overnight.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but our team is getting worse as the season goes on this year. We're not really building anything right now. I hope we turn it around, but it looks dark right now.

skins052bgr8 11-28-2005 09:20 AM

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Exactly, I love our coaching staff and what they have done with the team itself NO coaching change needed. They just need to open up the playcalling, it is not coincidence that several players on other teams comment that they new it was going to be either one or two plays from particular formations. We as fans for the most part can guess what is coming in certain situations. NFL coaches and players breakdown film all week. Bottom line the plays work a few of the times, but not over and over again. Teams adjust at half as well we need to playcalling to keep the D off balance. We play right into their adjustments.

Players all make mistakes as well as San Diego did yesterday, they overcame like other teams have done they overcame a deficit while we were content to play not to lose. All teams need about 50 seconds to run down the field so if you can't call plays to get first downs running the ball three and out with 3 minutes left does no good. Other teams are played to execute and move the field to score, we are playing with the clock instead of the endzone not exactly a winning attitude. It has to wear on the players as well and say here we go again. 50 gut, or run up the ass of one of your lineman because there is no hole in the middle for no gain. Shit why not do it again one of these last three games it has got to work. Better than that 2nd and 14 let's run the ball when we need 10 to 15 yards.

firstdown 11-28-2005 09:25 AM

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I will start by saying I was surprised by how well we played but it was another game we should of won. The Skins have one big problem and I feel its combination of players and coaching. When we play a weak team we play weak. When we play a tough team we play tough. We paly hard to gain the lead then we play soft after the lead. What I'm trying to say is that we do not play at a constant level we go up and down and in the end we lose the game.

#56fanatic 11-28-2005 09:25 AM

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[QUOTE=SUNRA]Check this out. We pick off Brees at their 30yd line with about 50 seconds left in the game. Portis finally gets 9 yds on one run. Wait a minute, penalty. A 10yd penalty puts the ball at the 40yd. line. Do we throw the ball or just let Portis carry this team on his shoulders since he dropped the team last week ? Yes, Portis runs no gain. He runs again. Third down, no one is open and Brunell runs out of bounds. Why Gibbs why? Why Don Breaux why? Why give the ball away to the third team to beat us on a raggedy fourth quarter decision?[/QUOTE]

Hey in todays NFL if your kicker cant make a 53 yarder hes not very good. look at the good teams they have a kicker who can boom for 55 or 57. Granted Hall is not 100%, I dont think they should be throwing the ball either, look how they got down there, int on a pass play that shouldn't have been called.

#56fanatic 11-28-2005 09:29 AM

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07]Yes, but our team is getting worse as the season goes on this year. We're not really building anything right now. I hope we turn it around, but it looks dark right now.[/QUOTE]

This is not a rebulding team. All the money we spent for this player and that player does not give them room to say, well its our second year, we are still filling the gaps. that is not what Joe, and especially Danny expected when spending the money he spends. Was signing Spring,Griffin, Washington, Harris, Brunell, Portis something was was thought of as a future winning season. NO!! they signed these players to win now. If it was a future building project you certainly wouldn't trade away ALL of your draft picks, sign a 35 year old QB to be your starter and pay you coaching staff the most in the history of the NFL. This is a win not organization, they dont have 3 or 4 years to get it right!

#56fanatic 11-28-2005 09:31 AM

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[QUOTE=Paintrain]1-10-SD31 (1:04) C.Portis to SD 25 for 6 yards (B.Jue, D.Florence).
[b]2-4-SD25 (:55) C.Portis right end to SD 25 for no gain (L.Castillo).[/b]
[b]PENALTY on WAS-C.Rabach, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SD 25 - No Play.[/b]
[b]2-14-SD35 (:50) C.Portis left end to SD 35 for no gain (R.Godfrey).[/b]
3-14-SD35 (:40) M.Brunell pass incomplete to C.Cooley (S.Merriman).
4-14-SD35 (:35) J.Hall 52 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-E.Albright, Holder-D.Frost.

From the 35 you are already out of FG range, why are you running the ball instead of running a short pass? No gain leads to 3rd and long which plays right into the defenses hands.. On 2nd and 4 from the 25 why not throw a quick slant to Moss or Jacobs or a quick out to Cooley? Get the 1st, get a few more yds.. The mentality of 'playing it safe' is [b][i]exactly[/b][/i] why we have lost the past 3 games.[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding? You dont pass the ball when you are in the range they were in. that would be totally stupid. You do exactly what they did. Run the ball, set up your kicker where he kicks the best. Good teams dont commit penalties in those situations. GOOD TEAMS, which we are far from it.

FirstandTen 11-28-2005 10:49 AM

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The playing calling was terrible the entire 4th quarter. Gibbs cost us the game.

Twilbert07 11-28-2005 10:54 AM

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Whether you love or hate Michael Wilbon, he makes some very valid points about how the offense cost us the game:

[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/27/AR2005112701111.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/27/AR2005112701111.html[/url]

Paintrain 11-28-2005 03:23 PM

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Are you kidding? You dont pass the ball when you are in the range they were in. that would be totally stupid. You do exactly what they did. Run the ball, set up your kicker where he kicks the best. Good teams dont commit penalties in those situations. GOOD TEAMS, which we are far from it.[/QUOTE]
But when you do commit a penalty on 2nd and 4 you [b]DON'T[/b] run again on 2nd and 14!! I agree that running the ball is ok when you are well within range, but the 2nd and 14 call was far too conservative.

SmootSmack 11-28-2005 03:40 PM

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[QUOTE=Paintrain]But when you do commit a penalty on 2nd and 4 you [b]DON'T[/b] run again on 2nd and 14!! I agree that running the ball is ok when you are well within range, but the 2nd and 14 call was far too conservative.[/QUOTE]

On the other hand, you could argue that a pass on 2nd and 14 is the expected call so by running you're actually not giving the defense what it expects

bigm29 11-28-2005 03:40 PM

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Gibbs playcalling is still horrible. We have one running play. Goal line formation, then go left or right. They know we are running, we make it obvious we are running, it doesnt work, and we keep doing the same thing. come on. Our offense is way too conservative still. Also I think that Brunell is scared to throw the ball. Our two touchdown drives were great. Why dont we play like that every drive. We only score when we have to, which why we put 35 points on the leagues #1 Defense in Tampa, and only 6 on the horrible Raiders.

Oh and does anyone remember when we beat dallas with the 2 deep throws to santana. Why dont we do that again. He can run past any corner or safety in the league. We did not throw deep one time in that game.

#56fanatic 11-28-2005 03:52 PM

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[QUOTE=bigm29]Gibbs playcalling is still horrible. We have one running play. Goal line formation, then go left or right. They know we are running, we make it obvious we are running, it doesnt work, and we keep doing the same thing. come on. Our offense is way too conservative still. Also I think that Brunell is scared to throw the ball. Our two touchdown drives were great. Why dont we play like that every drive. We only score when we have to, which why we put 35 points on the leagues #1 Defense in Tampa, and only 6 on the horrible Raiders.

Oh and does anyone remember when we beat dallas with the 2 deep throws to santana. Why dont we do that again. He can run past any corner or safety in the league. We did not throw deep one time in that game.[/QUOTE]

Teams have started doubling Moss with a safety over the top. He has basically been taken out of the game. Until we can get a legit #2 guy to make teams pay for doing that we will continue to struggle. And until our line can create some running room the extra safety will stay back and take our deep ball away from us. We never use Portis to his strengths, we might as well get use to it as long as Gibbs and Co. are calling the plays. Hopefully when Gibbs does decide to hang it up, Portis will still be here and the next guy will open up the playbook. Portis is a very versatile player and can do a multiple of things and line up a WR or in motion out of the backfield. We have two playmakers on offense, we need to try and get the ball in their hands more than we do. Portis needs to be moved around more, if he continues to be forced to run between the tackles, we will continue to struggle running the ball when it counts. If a team knows you only run up the middle, they are going to stack the line when you are trying to run the clock. If a team has to guard against sweeps, zone blocking, stretch plays, they can not key on certain formations and send multiple people in those gaps. It may keep teams a little more honest so to speak.

Longtimefan 11-28-2005 06:11 PM

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Are you kidding? You dont pass the ball when you are in the range they were in. that would be totally stupid. You do exactly what they did. Run the ball, set up your kicker where he kicks the best. Good teams dont commit penalties in those situations. GOOD TEAMS, which we are far from it.[/QUOTE]


You're correct in your thinking that in that situation you normally would run the ball. However after the run on 1st down and the resulting penalty setting up 2nd & 14 and now out of FG range you have to pass the ball in an effort to gain back the lost yardage and a better position to kick the GW field goal. That was one of those situations where the defense obviously is thinking run because that's the norm. I feel some of us are thinking it may have been best to do the opposite of what the defense expects in that situation.

offiss 11-29-2005 12:39 AM

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]This is not a rebulding team. All the money we spent for this player and that player does not give them room to say, well its our second year, we are still filling the gaps. that is not what Joe, and especially Danny expected when spending the money he spends. Was signing Spring,Griffin, Washington, Harris, Brunell, Portis something was was thought of as a future winning season. NO!! they signed these players to win now. If it was a future building project you certainly wouldn't trade away ALL of your draft picks, sign a 35 year old QB to be your starter and pay you coaching staff the most in the history of the NFL. This is a win not organization, they dont have 3 or 4 years to get it right![/QUOTE]


Well said 56, I really don't want to hear the rebuilding argument when you sign a 35 year old QB, and bench a promising youngster in Ramsey, when that trade was made that was what everyone was saying, to late to backtrack now.

SmootSmack 11-29-2005 01:02 AM

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]This is not a rebulding team...This is a win [B]not[/B] organization, they dont have 3 or 4 years to get it right![/QUOTE]

typo?...or freudian slip?

MTK 11-29-2005 08:26 AM

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I don't think the Skins are anywhere near rebuilding mode.

This offseason will be similar to last year, a few low key moves, maybe a splashy sign like a DE, and that's about it.

#56fanatic 11-29-2005 08:40 AM

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]typo?...or freudian slip?[/QUOTE]

funny, I just noticed I typed that. It was suppose to be a win NOW organization, but I guess the word that came out is still correct in a sence. A win NOT organization, atleast not for the last 10 years.

Hog1 11-29-2005 08:41 AM

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Whats the deal? The team and organization are sound. YES, we need a few upgrades. As somebody posted earlier, the line in the NFL between 6-10, and 10-6 is a fine one. We are but a couple of keys moves away from that line. You can bank our staff is considering those moves. This team is being built to compete for years to come. It is not meant to be dismantled and reborn year after miserable year we have had in the past.

#56fanatic 11-29-2005 08:58 AM

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[QUOTE=Hog1]Whats the deal? The team and organization are sound. YES, we need a few upgrades. As somebody posted earlier, the line in the NFL between 6-10, and 10-6 is a fine one. We are but a couple of keys moves away from that line. You can bank our staff is considering those moves. This team is being built to compete for years to come. It is not meant to be dismantled and reborn year after miserable year we have had in the past.[/QUOTE]

Are we watching to same team. Every year they are trading away picks for people. Every year since 1999 we have signed a number of free agents and drafted horrible, with some of them being cut before the season starts. The first thing the "organization" needs to do is hire a general manager. Bring Ron Wolf out of retirement, he is a local guy that would not have to travel so much. What about Bobby Bethard? Joe needs to stick to coaching and stop making personel moves. Danny is in no way going to say no to what Joe is asking for, whether its a good move or bad move. Joe is a great coach, but very few great coaches can be both a coach and GM. and some have failed miserably. Once we get a front office in place the team will show some improvement, but as long as Danny, Vinney, and Pepper Rogers are making personel moves, we will continue to falter the way we have since Danny took over. GMs are highly underrated in todays NFL, but look at how well teams like New England, Philly, Dallas, Chicago, Cincinnati, Giants are doing. All those teams draft talent to build a team, then maybe add a key free agent here or there. Not 6 to 7 started on both sides of the ball every year. This year is the first year I can remember we didn't actually go out and sign every big name out there, but we did not draft too well. We needed a #2 receiver and Mike Williams was available, we could have drafter a corner with our 2nd round pick. Even if you wanted Campbell that bad, he was still going to be there in the 2nd round. Look at the two or three DE that were available when we picked. Look at what they are doing in Dallas. I rest my case, we need a GM.

Twilbert07 11-29-2005 09:18 AM

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Good story in the WashPost today about how the Skins' play calling late in the fourth quarter has cost us games. It also points out that the offense has regressed recently to the point of being as ineffective as last year's squad.

[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/28/AR2005112801935.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/28/AR2005112801935.html[/url]

Hog1 11-29-2005 10:27 AM

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Are we watching to same team. Every year they are trading away picks for people. Every year since 1999 we have signed a number of free agents and drafted horrible, with some of them being cut before the season starts. The first thing the "organization" needs to do is hire a general manager. Bring Ron Wolf out of retirement, he is a local guy that would not have to travel so much. What about Bobby Bethard? Joe needs to stick to coaching and stop making personel moves. Danny is in no way going to say no to what Joe is asking for, whether its a good move or bad move. Joe is a great coach, but very few great coaches can be both a coach and GM. and some have failed miserably. Once we get a front office in place the team will show some improvement, but as long as Danny, Vinney, and Pepper Rogers are making personel moves, we will continue to falter the way we have since Danny took over. GMs are highly underrated in todays NFL, but look at how well teams like New England, Philly, Dallas, Chicago, Cincinnati, Giants are doing. All those teams draft talent to build a team, then maybe add a key free agent here or there. Not 6 to 7 started on both sides of the ball every year. This year is the first year I can remember we didn't actually go out and sign every big name out there, but we did not draft too well. We needed a #2 receiver and Mike Williams was available, we could have drafter a corner with our 2nd round pick. Even if you wanted Campbell that bad, he was still going to be there in the 2nd round. Look at the two or three DE that were available when we picked. Look at what they are doing in Dallas. I rest my case, we need a GM.[/QUOTE]


I........I think I am watching the same team. However, Joe and the boys cannot held accountable for pre-2004 draft/FA associated atrocities. While I might agree that the "right" GM could be a good thing. To lay the total success of the teams you mention at the feet of their respective GM's is opinion. I could just as easily make the arguement that the ONLY thing their GM's did was to hire big time coach's with winning track records. Obviously, that may or may not be the case. The point of my original post is: this team ain't bad. They have had a TOUGH schedule. They have been in til' the end all but one game this year. They should have won some if not all. They were not able to do this because they suck or are mismanaged, poorly coached, etc. It is but a couple of steps in the road to recovery of a team in 10+ years of disarray. Why don't [b]you [/b]take [b]ANY[/b] business under similar circumstances and show more positive improvment. We have seen some kick ass things happen this year. Starting with breaking a 10ish year drought by beatin' Dallas. We have Defense that can shut down teams (albeit, not at the right time lately). We have an Offense that scored at will on the #1 D. It's not perfect and YES, still needs work. Much of what is needed will happen this off season. Yes, I am devastated by some of the loss's, but............ Danny is in check. The coaching staff will be in place for the third straight year. The salary sins of the past are being dealt with. We DON'T have to overhaul the team AGAIN this year I don't see anything but good stuff for this team!!!! To answer your original question, this is the team I am watching.

Twilbert07 11-29-2005 10:56 AM

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This year's team definitely is an improvement over last year's.

However, this trend of losing close games (after winning the first three) is very disturbing and shows that something with the team is extremely flawed. We need to find out exactly what's wrong, or we're in for more a couple more seasons without going to the playoffs.

Hog1 11-29-2005 11:27 AM

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07]This year's team definitely is an improvement over last year's.

However, this trend of losing close games (after winning the first three) is very disturbing and shows that something with the team is extremely flawed. We need to find out exactly what's wrong, or we're in for more a couple more seasons without going to the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you in principle. I would split hairs with the word extreme and say it is still flawed. The difference is that we have Joe. He is not a magician. He has however got the team going the right direction. Just a note........I would much rather be losing close games than to be getting our ass kicked by everybody!!!!!! All the sins of the past cannot be corrected in a couple of seasons. It took 12 years to really F... it up

mason4415 11-29-2005 11:34 AM

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As far as I'm concerned, everyone on here who is hating on Clinton Portis knows absolutely nothing about football. Other than LT, I wouldn't want any other back in the league right now. Honestly. Do you think Alexander, James, or any other back in the league would be able to have success in our offense? Our quarterback is MARK BRUNELL! I guarantee you that if Clinton was on the Colts right now, that he would be having a better season than Edge. And if Edge was on our team, he would have a helluva time out-producing Portis at this point. On top of that, look at the Run Defenses we have gone against!!!

In fact, if we would've won 2 or 3 of the past 3 games, there wouldn't be a problem at all. The problem with this team has been COACHING! I love Gibbs, and I think he'll turn it around, but it's the coaching. Against the Raiders, a better pass defense than run defense, we try to pass when up 10 points! Against the Chargers, the NFL's number 1 rushing defense, and weak pass D, we try to run!!! It's not about being conservative or not running the clock, it's about playing to your opponents weaknesses and getting first downs!!!!!!

Twilbert07 11-29-2005 11:37 AM

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[QUOTE=Hog1]I agree with you in principle. I would split hairs with the word extreme and say it is still flawed. The difference is that we have Joe. He is not a magician. He has however got the team going the right direction. Just a note........I would much rather be losing close games than to be getting our ass kicked by everybody!!!!!! All the sins of the past cannot be corrected in a couple of seasons. It took 12 years to really F... it up[/QUOTE]
That's a good point about how long it took to screw up the Skins. It will take a couple more years to work all that out of the system. I hope Gibbs sticks around to see it through because I do believe he can get us a fourth Super Bowl trophy.

Hog1 11-29-2005 11:43 AM

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I hope you are correct T-07

FirstandTen 11-29-2005 11:47 AM

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[QUOTE=mason4415]As far as I'm concerned, everyone on here who is hating on Clinton Portis knows absolutely nothing about football. Other than LT, I wouldn't want any other back in the league right now. Honestly. Do you think Alexander, James, or any other back in the league would be able to have success in our offense? Our quarterback is MARK BRUNELL! I guarantee you that if Clinton was on the Colts right now, that he would be having a better season than Edge. And if Edge was on our team, he would have a helluva time out-producing Portis at this point. On top of that, look at the Run Defenses we have gone against!!!

In fact, if we would've won 2 or 3 of the past 3 games, there wouldn't be a problem at all. The problem with this team has been COACHING! I love Gibbs, and I think he'll turn it around, but it's the coaching. Against the Raiders, a better pass defense than run defense, we try to pass when up 10 points! Against the Chargers, the NFL's number 1 rushing defense, and weak pass D, we try to run!!! It's not about being conservative or not running the clock, it's about playing to your opponents weaknesses and getting first downs!!!!!![/QUOTE]

I agree Portis is a good RB but to say hes better thank S Alex it taking it a bit far.. S Alex would be a much better fit in our off becasue he can move the pile in short yardage situations. I also take Edge over portis cause Edge is a much bigger threat catching the ball.

MTK 11-29-2005 12:04 PM

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What does Brunell have to do with anything?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-29-2005 01:55 PM

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[QUOTE=Twilbert07]Good story in the WashPost today about how the Skins' play calling late in the fourth quarter has cost us games. It also points out that the offense has regressed recently to the point of being as ineffective as last year's squad.

[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/28/AR2005112801935.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/28/AR2005112801935.html[/url][/QUOTE]

I don't value the opinions of Post columnists any more than I do my girlfriend's. To say that our offense is as bad as last year's is a MASSIVE overstatement.

hail_2_da_skins 11-29-2005 02:16 PM

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I disagree. Portis is paid like a top five back and I don't see the production. He has turned the ball over too much and its affecting his running style. He seems to be concentrating on "not fumbling" and not instinctively hitting the holes at full speed and using his vision and allusiveness to run to daylight. With the same personnel, same blocking, Betts and Cartwright seem to run harder at hit the hole at full speed and have better success. Neither Betts or Cartwright are breakaway runners so these runs very rarely go the distance. Portis is a breakaway runner. He is not hitting the holes hard. I see him avoiding contact, falling prematurely and running into the back of his blockers. In the fourth quarter, Gibbs called his number repeatedly. He didn't deliver. I saw Marty do the same with LT and he delivered.

Twilbert07 11-29-2005 02:20 PM

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I don't value the opinions of Post columnists any more than I do my girlfriend's. To say that our offense is as bad as last year's is a MASSIVE overstatement.[/QUOTE]
I guess we'll see who's right at season's end. I hope you're right and Wilbon is wrong, trust me.
The past three games, when the offense could not add even 3 points to a small lead, have been hard to stomach, though.

skindogger47 11-29-2005 03:10 PM

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Are you kidding? You dont pass the ball when you are in the range they were in. that would be totally stupid. You do exactly what they did. Run the ball, set up your kicker where he kicks the best. Good teams dont commit penalties in those situations. GOOD TEAMS, which we are far from it.[/QUOTE]How are we so far from being a "good" team? The Seahawks did that against us, are they any good? What about the Bears, who managed one TD against us off of an Antonio Brown fumble? Or the Bucs, who squandered a lead against us? Hell the Broncos couldn't hold a lead against us. They must suck. How are we so far from being good? I feel like it is a play or two every game, which could easily go either way. We are not great, but I'll be damned if we're not good.

skindogger47 11-29-2005 03:14 PM

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]Are we watching to same team. Every year they are trading away picks for people. Every year since 1999 we have signed a number of free agents and drafted horrible, with some of them being cut before the season starts. The first thing the "organization" needs to do is hire a general manager. Bring Ron Wolf out of retirement, he is a local guy that would not have to travel so much. What about Bobby Bethard? Joe needs to stick to coaching and stop making personel moves. Danny is in no way going to say no to what Joe is asking for, whether its a good move or bad move. Joe is a great coach, but very few great coaches can be both a coach and GM. and some have failed miserably. Once we get a front office in place the team will show some improvement, but as long as Danny, Vinney, and Pepper Rogers are making personel moves, we will continue to falter the way we have since Danny took over. GMs are highly underrated in todays NFL, but look at how well teams like New England, Philly, Dallas, Chicago, [b]Cincinnati[/b], Giants are doing. All those teams draft talent to build a team, then maybe add a key free agent here or there. Not 6 to 7 started on both sides of the ball every year. This year is the first year I can remember we didn't actually go out and sign every big name out there, but we did not draft too well. [b]We needed a #2 receiver and Mike Williams was available, we could have drafter a corner with our 2nd round pick. Even if you wanted Campbell that bad, he was still going to be there in the 2nd round[/b]. Look at the two or three DE that were available when we picked. Look at what they are doing in Dallas. I rest my case, we need a GM.[/QUOTE]Cincinnatti drafted Carson Palmer and now their GM is a genius? Those are the tough decisions that great front offices make, huh? Also, we didn't have a second round pick. I rest my case, you don't know what you're talking about.

offiss 11-29-2005 08:13 PM

Re: Play Calling
 
[QUOTE=hail_2_da_skins]I disagree. Portis is paid like a top five back and I don't see the production. He has turned the ball over too much and its affecting his running style. He seems to be concentrating on "not fumbling" and not instinctively hitting the holes at full speed and using his vision and allusiveness to run to daylight. With the same personnel, same blocking, Betts and Cartwright seem to run harder at hit the hole at full speed and have better success. Neither Betts or Cartwright are breakaway runners so these runs very rarely go the distance. Portis is a breakaway runner. He is not hitting the holes hard. I see him avoiding contact, falling prematurely and running into the back of his blockers. In the fourth quarter, Gibbs called his number repeatedly. He didn't deliver. I saw Marty do the same with LT and he delivered.[/QUOTE]


Absolutly! Nice job H2. :biggthump

skinsguy 11-29-2005 09:23 PM

Re: Play Calling
 
[QUOTE=Twilbert07]This year's team definitely is an improvement over last year's.

However, this trend of losing close games (after winning the first three) is very disturbing and shows that something with the team is extremely flawed. We need to find out exactly what's wrong, or we're in for more a couple more seasons without going to the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say that losing those close games means that something is extremely flawed. If we lost those games by 14 points or more, then I would say something is extremely flawed. Losing games by 2 or 3 points, late in the fourth quarter is distressing, but I don't believe it means that something is way wrong. This team is still going through transition, like it or not. I believe we're expecting this team to be Super Bowl champions right from the start.

Twilbert07 11-29-2005 10:00 PM

Re: Play Calling
 
[QUOTE=skinsguy]I wouldn't say that losing those close games means that something is extremely flawed. If we lost those games by 14 points or more, then I would say something is extremely flawed. Losing games by 2 or 3 points, late in the fourth quarter is distressing, but I don't believe it means that something is way wrong. This team is still going through transition, like it or not. I believe we're expecting this team to be Super Bowl champions right from the start.[/QUOTE]
Maybe saying "extremely flawed" was a little, well, extreme.
However, something is wrong, and it seems to be getting worse in the past couple weeks. Trust me, I do not expect us to go to the Super Bowl this year or next. I just want us to continue to make progress toward that goal. Unfortunately in the past three weeks, we've moved in the wrong direction.

railcon56 11-30-2005 01:00 AM

Re: Play Calling
 
[QUOTE=offiss]Just like last week, and the week before . :biggthump[/QUOTE]
Or his substitute son Brunell


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