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[QUOTE=mooby]i'm only talking about grabbing people by the neck area and pulling them down. i don't care if they get tackled from behind anywhere else.[/QUOTE]

I am just kidding.
The thing I notice about the recent history of these rules is thay all happend in the playoffs or a game that has serious playof implications.

1) 2 or 3 years ago the Patriots crushed the Press' Golden Boy Peyton Manning by jamming the receivers at the line and disrupting their timing. So the next year, no touching receivers after five yards.

2) Late in the regular season last year, Williams opens a can of whip ass on the mentally handicapped TO and no more horse collar tackles. To TO's credit he made it back for the SB.

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Say you saw clinton portis running downfield, and all of sudden Roy Williams comes running up behind him, jumps a bit, grabs Portis by the back of his neck, yanks him backward, breaks his neck, and ends his pro career. Would you guys say, ah it's just a part of the game, we'll move on?

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Dangersous things happen on the football field every game, should we cancel the sport?
For example a WR jumps high for a ball with his back to the Defensive back. The DB proceeds to take the legs out form under the WR while he is still in the air. The WR does a 180 in the air and lands on his head. I have seen this happen many times, but it is not out-lawed. Darryl Stingley of the NE Patriots is paralyzed from this situation happening when Oakland raiders Safety Jack Tatum did this exact thing to him back on Aug. 12, 1978. This kind of hit is not outlawed.
Football is a dangerous sport. The only problem I have is the rules are made to protect the offensive player twice as much as for the defensive player. Plus add in all the rules made to create more offense. The game is turning into the canadian football league, tons of scoring and no defense.

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You got to be kidding me! Williams grabbed him by the shirt, not the pads and Portis fell forward on his left shoulder, he in no way was bent backwards, which is what the rule is in place to avoid. This isn't flag football, it's the N-F-L!

Tackling is why girls don't play the game.

Marcus Washington has a BLANTANT hit out-of-bounds on Witten after the whistle in the first quarter Witten was injured on that "dirty play", and you accuse Williams of being dirty?. Get real.

Look congrats on a solid win, and there are no excuses for that Cowboys loss except we got our butts handed to us.

But you won the game, Portis is fine, and you have a valid shot at the playoffs.

If you can;t be satisfied with that, then sit down and have a nice warm cup of "shut the fu*k up"!

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Witten hadn't gone out of bounds and he was still trying to go forward....Washington made sure he wasn't gonna go foward. It was a bad call....

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]You got to be kidding me! Williams grabbed him by the shirt, not the pads and Portis fell forward on his left shoulder, he in no way was bent backwards, which is what the rule is in place to avoid. This isn't flag football, it's the N-F-L!

Tackling is why girls don't play the game.

Marcus Washington has a BLANTANT hit out-of-bounds on Witten after the whistle in the first quarter Witten was injured on that "dirty play", and you accuse Williams of being dirty?. Get real.

Look congrats on a solid win, and there are no excuses for that Cowboys loss except we got our butts handed to us.

But you won the game, Portis is fine, and you have a valid shot at the playoffs.

If you can;t be satisfied with that, then sit down and have a nice warm cup of "shut the fu*k up"![/QUOTE]
I don't give a flying fruit what the rules are. I think we established that, the rules need to be changed. I don't care if they take the rule out all together because as you said this ain't flag football but if it is a rule I don't see how it is safer to pull a player the way roy has been doing all year and the way he did it last year. It is for the safty of the players, just because your "pro bowl" overrated safty can't tackle for shit doesn't mean he has to try to hurt other players. How many players did he put on the injured list last year with that weak ass pussy tackle?? 3 or 4!? it isn't a fun hit to watch, it isn't hard, it is made to injure the player and just because no one ever taught him to tackle right way doesn't give him the right to mess up player's careers. If it is gonna be a rule they should actually call it and if the player pulls the guy down by the horse collar it should be called.

Roy said himself that he doesn't care about the rule he will tackle the way he always has.
I say just take it out all together if it isn't gonna be called.

Next Marcus obviously didn't mean to do that. I looked at it and the ref said that witten was done making forward progress. That is simply untrue. The player was clearly inbounds and marcus isn't the type that would hit a player out of bounds like that, therefore it wasn't blantant. Roy williams tries to hurt people and not the normal kind of hurt, he tries to end their seasons

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BSB,

I don't think you will find an NFL scout who will tell you that Roy doesn't know how to hit.

He didn't get drafted cause he is a cover 2 specialist.

He is a big time hitter at SS and you know what that does to the opposition cause you got one too.

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]BSB,

I don't think you will find an NFL scout who will tell you that Roy doesn't know how to hit.

He didn't get drafted cause he is a cover 2 specialist.

He is a big time hitter at SS and you know what that does to the opposition cause you got one too.[/QUOTE]If that is the only way he knows how to tackle from behind he doesn't know how to tackle. Yes he can lay some of the biggest hits when someone is comming down the middle and he hits the guy's front side but from behind you would think he wouldn't always have to pull a guy down like that if it is now a rule. It is now a rule, it is a dirty hit and he could have easily pushed portis out of bounds but he tried to hurt him(now i was at the game and it looked like he could push him out but i might be wrong). trying to hurt someone is dirty.

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BSB, Sandtrap,

I would hate to think that he tries to injure players.

BUt I have seen him make that type of tackle many times. He isn't the tallest guy, maybe he accelerates low and and has gotten used to reaching up cause you really can't grab jersey from behind, they are all so tight these days.

Why doesn't he try and go for the legs? Pro Football players at WR and RB get out of that type of tackle half of the time.

If you are reading numbers - behind the ball carrier - you need to be sure cause you only have one chance.

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]BSB,

I don't think you will find an NFL scout who will tell you that Roy doesn't know how to hit.

He didn't get drafted cause he is a cover 2 specialist.

He is a big time hitter at SS and you know what that does to the opposition cause you got one too.[/QUOTE]


Personally I don't mind how hard a player hits that's football, but it seems Williams would rather tackle a player with the horse collar than hit him, I wonder why? It defiently is a move that is a proven season ender. That tackle is right there with the chop block while a player is engaged with another player, if you want to slow a player down by grabbing the collar no problem, but Williams uses his body weight to jerk the player backwards that makes for some unwatchable gut cringing injuries, it's something that is really not needed in football, you may sing a different toon if your star player's seasoned ended because of that type of tackle.

By the way who is your star player? :joke:

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]BSB, Sandtrap,

I would hate to think that he tries to injure players.

BUt I have seen him make that type of tackle many times. He isn't the tallest guy, maybe he accelerates low and and has gotten used to reaching up cause you really can't grab jersey from behind, they are all so tight these days.

Why doesn't he try and go for the legs? Pro Football players at WR and RB get out of that type of tackle half of the time.

If you are reading numbers - behind the ball carrier - you need to be sure cause you only have one chance.[/QUOTE]
you might be right. You are a more reasonable man than i am. The thing is i think it is clear this is the way he knows how to tackle from behind, it is his style. I doubt he used to do it just to injure players but only to tackle them the best way he knows how. Now that it is a rule he might not be able to change up his style but the thing is i heard an interview with him and he said he didn't care about the rule and he would tackle basically whatever way he wants to. Maybe this is the best way he knows how to tackle and doesn't know anyother way, that is what i mean by just because he doesn't know how to tackle it doesn't give him the right to injure players-but i guess that is a prettier picture than him intentionally doing it-

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[QUOTE=5RINGS]BSB, Sandtrap,

I would hate to think that he tries to injure players.

BUt I have seen him make that type of tackle many times. He isn't the tallest guy, maybe he accelerates low and and has gotten used to reaching up cause you really can't grab jersey from behind, they are all so tight these days.

Why doesn't he try and go for the legs? Pro Football players at WR and RB get out of that type of tackle half of the time.

If you are reading numbers - behind the ball carrier - you need to be sure cause you only have one chance.[/QUOTE]
5RINGS,

If you want to see a real hitter at safety, look no further than Sean Taylor. He put the sledgehammer on Crayton at the end of the first win at Dallas, and it was both vicious and clean (and the resulting incompletion should have been ruled a fumble BTW). To argue that Williams collaring a player is more sound tackling technique on WRs and RBs than hitting and wrapping is ridiculous.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]Yeah, but football players get hurt every game. You cannot create a rule every time a player gets hurt. Horse collar tackles have existed since day 1 of football. But a star WR gets hurt and suddenly it is not ok.
You want an easy way to reduce injuries, get rid of artificial turf. But that would cost money, so it will never happen.[/QUOTE]

The turf thing hasnt been proven yet, there have been stats that prove the argument both ways.

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[QUOTE=Redskins88]Witten hadn't gone out of bounds and he was still trying to go forward....Washington made sure he wasn't gonna go foward. It was a bad call....[/QUOTE]

What you say may be true. But nothing takes away from the fact that Washington made that hit clearly AFTER the whistle had blown. That was what the penalty was for, not for a late hit out of bounds, but a hit AFTER the whistle had blown.

Does not matter if it the official had blown the whistle pre-maturely, once the whistle is blown the play is over. And Washington made the hit anyway. He didn't even try to pull up or slow down.

Funny how people call Roy Willams a "dirty tackler", when he has NEVER had a personal foul penalty called against him.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]Marcus Washington has a BLANTANT hit out-of-bounds on Witten after the whistle in the first quarter Witten was injured on that "dirty play", and you accuse Williams of being dirty?. Get real.[/QUOTE]

Bullsh!t. Witten had BOTH feet inbounds and was moving forward when Washington hit him. I TiVo'ed the game and have watched the replay several times - it isn't hard to see. Aikman (remember, he played for the Cowboys?) and Buck both called it a lousy penalty.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister]5RINGS,

If you want to see a real hitter at safety, look no further than Sean Taylor. He put the sledgehammer on Crayton at the end of the first win at Dallas, and it was both vicious and clean (and the resulting incompletion should have been ruled a fumble BTW). To argue that Williams collaring a player is more sound tackling technique on WRs and RBs than hitting and wrapping is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

Not really that ridiculous actually, you can't 'Hit' a player that you are trailing. You can dive at his legs or waist and drag him down, but you risk losing him when he flicks his hips or highsteps out of the attempted tackle.

You also risk losing him if he cuts into your angle of pursuit. The player also will fall forward gaining more yards.

There is nothing wrong with Sean Taylor I think he is top 5 or sis at SS, but every scout in the league will tell you that The big hitter at SS is Roy.

If you think he tackles illegally from behind, you definitely have an arguement to make. But don't say that Roy doesn't know how to hit.

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[QUOTE=mheisig]Bullsh!t. Witten had BOTH feet inbounds and was moving forward when Washington hit him. I TiVo'ed the game and have watched the replay several times - it isn't hard to see. Aikman (remember, he played for the Cowboys?) and Buck both called it a lousy penalty.[/QUOTE]

Granted I saw the replay too and he was in bounds. But that point is NIL and does not mean a thing!

The whistle had blown, and that was the deciding factor here with regards to the penalty, it does not matter if he was in bounds or not, or making forward progress or not, once the whistle blows, the play is over, done and finished. The hit was clearly AFTER the whistle had blown. Watch your Tivo again and you will see what I mean. And the ref called the penalty for a late hit AFTER THE WHISTLE, not because he was out of bounds. He was probably incorrect in saying that forward progress had stopped, but he was not incorrect in saying that the hit came after the whistle. Again that point of "forward progress" is nil because the play was blown dead, and then the hit came.

Aikman and Buck said it was a lousy call because the ref stated that forward progress was stopped, they did not call it a lousy penalty because of a hit after the play was blown dead though. And that is what the penalty was for, a [u]hit after the whistle, not a hit out of bounds[/u]. The ref was premature in blowing the whistle, but that does not give a player a right to keep going and hit the guy. Once the whistle blows, that's it, the play is over, regardless of whether or not forward progress was stopped

Even if the referee had blown the whistle too early, it does not matter, the play is over. And if you hit a player like that AFTER the play is blown dead, you will get a penalty every time!

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SEan Taylor plays Free Safety first of all, second of all -- Williams is great if he sits at the line of scrimmage and the running back runs into him. Otherwise he's a liability in coverage, and every time I've watched Jacked up this year I have yet to see a Roy Williams hit I remember, I distinctly remember three Sean Taylor hits of him blowing someone up.

Roy Williams is over and done. He's getting fat and old. As my friend said, he's only a biscuit away from being a Dlineman.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]SEan Taylor plays Free Safety first of all, second of all -- Williams is great if he sits at the line of scrimmage and the running back runs into him. Otherwise he's a liability in coverage, and every time I've watched Jacked up this year I have yet to see a Roy Williams hit I remember, I distinctly remember three Sean Taylor hits of him blowing someone up.

Roy Williams is over and done. He's getting fat and old. As my friend said, he's only a biscuit away from being a Dlineman.[/QUOTE]

Roy is big for a safety, and could also play LB. But he is far from over and done like you say.

You won't see Roy near the line of scrimmage like you used to, or see the opportunity for hits like Taylor gets. Cowboys run the 3-4 as opposed to the 4-3 in Washington. The Dallas defense can count on the LB's and front 3 to make the stops near the line. If you have to move your safety inside the box to stop the run, you have an issue with your front 7 that needs attention.
Only time you will see Williams near the line is on a safety blitz.

If anyone has a chance of being DONE it is Sean Taylor, he could very well spend the offseason in jail, or worse if convicted on that gun charge. If he spends the off-season in and out of court or at worse, in jail, then his off-season conditioning will suffer greatly, and it will show next season. That is, if he is even back next season, and not punching out license plates.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]If anyone has a chance of being DONE it is Sean Taylor, he could very well spend the offseason in jail, or worse if convicted on that gun charge. If he spends the off-season in and out of court or at worse, in jail, then his off-season conditioning will suffer greatly, and it will show next season. That is, if he is even back next season, and not punching out license plates.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure which is funnier, the dejected look on Parcells face when he lost 35-7, or a COWBOYS fan ragging on a Skins player for breaking the law.

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[QUOTE=mheisig]I'm not sure which is funnier, the dejected look on Parcells face when he lost 35-7, or a COWBOYS fan ragging on a Skins player for breaking the law.[/QUOTE]

The look is very similar to the one on Gibbs face when he got beat 36-0 by the Giants.

But back to the subject, the point I was merely trying to make is Taylor cannot have his legal issues effect his off-season. The NFC East looks to be a tight, hard fought division for the next few years, and off-season programs will be very important to alll the players.

You don't want Taylor to show up to camp like Jamal Lewis did this year. He spent the off-season in prison, and the conditioning greatly effected his performance for the whole season, which was far below his capabilities.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]SEan Taylor plays Free Safety first of all, second of all -- Williams is great if he sits at the line of scrimmage and the running back runs into him. Otherwise he's a liability in coverage, and every time I've watched Jacked up this year I have yet to see a Roy Williams hit I remember, I distinctly remember three Sean Taylor hits of him blowing someone up.

Roy Williams is over and done. He's getting fat and old. As my friend said, he's only a biscuit away from being a Dlineman.[/QUOTE]

You're right Taylor is a FS.


I don't think that appearances on Jacked up qualifies for anything other than television ratings.

I'd love to be that kind of fat if Roy is fat.

Yeah he's a big SS.

ANd it was Parcells who said he is only a biscuit from being a Linebacker.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]The look is very similar to the one on Gibbs face when he got beat 36-0 by the Giants.

But back to the subject, the point I was merely trying to make is Taylor cannot have his legal issues effect his off-season. The NFC East looks to be a tight, hard fought division for the next few years, and off-season programs will be very important to alll the players.

You don't want Taylor to show up to camp like Jamal Lewis did this year. He spent the off-season in prison, and the conditioning greatly effected his performance for the whole season, which was far below his capabilities.[/QUOTE]

ok, so we lost to the giants. They can talk shit not you. Your team got swept and embarrassed

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]ok, so we lost to the giants. They can talk shit not you. Your team got swept and embarrassed[/QUOTE]

Swept and embarassed, yes. But for this season. How many other games in the last ten years has that happened? Go ahead and take your shots, you have earned it, and it is so so so rare for Washington to have bragging rights over Dallas in the division. Enjoy it while you can.

Dallas has still won 14 of the last 17 games, like Mecury Morris said, "Don't call me when you are in my town, call me when you are on my street". Redksins are not even in the same COUNTRY in this series history.

Washington has swept Dallas ONCE in the last 10 years, just once! Hell even a BLIND MOUSE finds cheese every once in a while.

So with winning 14 of the last 17, I can talk sh*t for years to come until your team actaully closes the gap in the series history.

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What have you done for me lately.

Nobody cares about the past, the only thing that matters is right now and right now Washington >> Dallas.

End of story.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]Swept and embarassed, yes. But for this season. How many other games in the last ten years has that happened? Go ahead and take your shots, you have earned it, and it is so so so rare for Washington to have bragging rights over Dallas in the division. Enjoy it while you can.

Dallas has still won 14 of the last 17 games, like Mecury Morris said, "Don't call me when you are in my town, call me when you are on my street". Redksins are not even in the same COUNTRY in this series history.

Washington has swept Dallas ONCE in the last 10 years, just once! Hell even a BLIND MOUSE finds cheese every once in a while.

So with winning 14 of the last 17, I can talk sh*t for years to come until your team actaully closes the gap in the series history.[/QUOTE]

The only blind mouse is Drew Bledsoe....and the "cheese" he's eating is that green turf from FEDX!!

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Haha I love how the last 10 or so posts are arguments between a Cowboy fan and us. I love it.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]Swept and embarassed, yes. But for this season. How many other games in the last ten years has that happened? Go ahead and take your shots, you have earned it, and it is so so so rare for Washington to have bragging rights over Dallas in the division. Enjoy it while you can.

Dallas has still won 14 of the last 17 games, like Mecury Morris said, "Don't call me when you are in my town, call me when you are on my street". Redksins are not even in the same COUNTRY in this series history.

Washington has swept Dallas ONCE in the last 10 years, just once! Hell even a BLIND MOUSE finds cheese every once in a while.

So with winning 14 of the last 17, I can talk sh*t for years to come until your team actaully closes the gap in the series history.[/QUOTE]
I really don't like getting in pissing matches with other teams' fans but I had to comment on this

The legacy arguments are the last stop before giving up. If you are relegated to using stats from the past that have no meaning then you are done. People do this all the time and it always cracks my ass up that they have been so thoroughly defeated that they need to use the "Well you used to suck" argument. How ludicrous and irrelevant that is!

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2005

Redskins 2
Cowboys 0

End of frickin story.

I ain't happy about it, but that don't mean it ain't true.

All I got left is some miracle where the Cowboys make the playoffs and meet Washington somewhere in the playoffs and then beat them and then Santa comes down my chimney and gives me a winning lotto ticket for 200 million and then, and then, and, and.......

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]The look is very similar to the one on Gibbs face when he got beat 36-0 by the Giants.[/QUOTE]

Oh snappy comeback! Good one!

[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]Swept and embarassed, yes. But for this season. How many other games in the last ten years has that happened? Go ahead and take your shots, you have earned it, and it is so so so rare for Washington to have bragging rights over Dallas in the division. Enjoy it while you can.[/QUOTE]

Sounds an awful lot like a loser trying to rationalize their humiliating defeat to me.

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I love this stuff, this is great. You say the only thing that matters is the here and the now, and not the past. Well that is because that is all Redskins fans have is the here and now, there is no past victories to talk about, no past sweeps of your most heated rival, so of course the here and now is what is important to you, because that is all you have.

Here's a question for you....how many of you were actually alive and out of diapers the last time the Redskins even made it to the Super Bowl?

You guys are too funny!

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]I love this stuff, this is great. You say the only thing that matters is the here and the now, and not the past. Well that is because that is all Redskins fans have is the here and now, there is no past victories to talk about, no past sweeps of your most heated rival, so of course the here and now is what is important to you, because that is all you have.

Here's a question for you....how many of you were actually alive and out of diapers the last time the Redskins even made it to the Super Bowl?

You guys are too funny![/QUOTE]

Spoken like a true sore loser.

See ya next year.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]I love this stuff, this is great. You say the only thing that matters is the here and the now, and not the past. Well that is because that is all Redskins fans have is the here and now, there is no past victories to talk about, no past sweeps of your most heated rival, so of course the here and now is what is important to you, because that is all you have.

Here's a question for you....how many of you were actually alive and out of diapers the last time the Redskins even made it to the Super Bowl?

You guys are too funny![/QUOTE]


Oh contrair, our victory over the Boy's in the championship game in 73' is what made me a Skins fan, then our victory over the Boy's in the 83' championship game only reinforced that, I guess if you could beat us in the playoffs I might have become a cowboy fan, to bad, are you old enough to remember the playoff games, you know one step away from the big stage only to have it ripped from you with an onslaught performance by the Skins?

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]The look is very similar to the one on Gibbs face when he got beat 36-0 by the Giants.

But back to the subject, the point I was merely trying to make is Taylor cannot have his legal issues effect his off-season. The NFC East looks to be a tight, hard fought division for the next few years, and off-season programs will be very important to alll the players.

You don't want Taylor to show up to camp like Jamal Lewis did this year. He spent the off-season in prison, and the conditioning greatly effected his performance for the whole season, which was far below his capabilities.[/QUOTE]Hell Taylor did not even show up last year for our off-season programs. We at the time worried about that and the legal issues but I guess we were wrong . Taylors still ruling the field and knocking WR's scared just go see the Terry Glenn post.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]I love this stuff, this is great. You say the only thing that matters is the here and the now, and not the past. Well that is because that is all Redskins fans have is the here and now, there is no past victories to talk about, no past sweeps of your most heated rival, so of course the here and now is what is important to you, because that is all you have.

Here's a question for you....how many of you were actually alive and out of diapers the last time the Redskins even made it to the Super Bowl?

You guys are too funny![/QUOTE]

Ok, I'm all for some good-natured smack talk between rival fans, but arguing that the Redskins have no history is just asinine. "All we have" is three Lombardi trophys. Sure, Dallas leads the series all time 49-33-2 - so you've won 57% of our games. I'd hardly call that the Redskins having "no past victories."

If you need a little education in history outside your own beloved team, have a glance at the [URL=http://www.profootballhof.com/history/team.jsp?franchise_id=32]Redskins Pro Football Hall of Fame History[/URL].

I hate Dallas, I hate Dallas fans (5RINGS being the exception...he's too damn nice.) and I love some good trashtalk. However, I'd never go so far as to say the Dallas Cowboys have "no history." Your team has had an illustrious history, whether I like it or not.

Additionally, it seems like if you're going to argue the history point you might want to point out that the Redskins have been around 27 years longer than the Cowboys.

The point being both teams have history, arguing otherwise is just idiotic. What matters is the here and now. Your record from your last Super Bowl run, however impressive it is, won't help you get in the playoffs this year.

By the way, I was alive and out of diapers for the 1983, 1988 and 1992 Super Bowl victories. I have no idea what the point of that question is, as the majority of the folks on this board seem to be pretty mature - maybe you're used to dealing with a bunch of young bandwagon fans down in Dallas, but I'd venture to guess that most of us are a little older than college-aged and have been lifelong Skins fans, so I doubt you'll get real far with that question.

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack]I love this stuff, this is great. You say the only thing that matters is the here and the now, and not the past. Well that is because that is all Redskins fans have is the here and now, there is no past victories to talk about, no past sweeps of your most heated rival, so of course the here and now is what is important to you, because that is all you have.

Here's a question for you....how many of you were actually alive and out of diapers the last time the Redskins even made it to the Super Bowl?

You guys are too funny![/QUOTE]

If you must know, I was at the championship game in '83 when Dexter Manley (remember him??) man-handled your offensive lineman and knocked Danny White's punk ass out of the game!! (seems like we have a habbit of doing that to Cowboy QBs)

Oh, I forgot the TD by Darrell Grant that sent RFK into a tizzy!!!
For the record, I was here for [b][i]all four[/i][/b] of Gibbs' Super Bowl appearances!!

How 'bout them diapers!!

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I thought I would just toss this out because........................it makes me happy! I might be wrong, but if memory serves Sandtrap, Dallas just added another wrinkle to their history. In the Many games these two storied francises have played, I believe Dallas has the overall lead in games won? However, this most recent game has delivered to BIG D the worst BEATDOWN in the history of those games!

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[QUOTE=Hog1]I thought I would just toss this out because........................it makes me happy! I might be wrong, but if memory serves Sandtrap, Dallas just added another wrinkle to their history. In the Many games these two storied francises have played, I believe Dallas has the overall lead in games won? However, this most recent game has delivered to BIG D the worst BEATDOWN in the history of those games![/QUOTE]

I think it's the worst beatdown on the Redskins' side of the rivalry. But I still don't think it's the worst ever, just in a few decades.

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this is just another rule that the redskins never get. if we would've done that....they probably would suspend the player. what i like is the bs reasons why they do not call the penalty, example:on monday night against the cowbitches, brunnell was horse collared, and john gay madden said the rule didn't apply to qb's. in the preseason, when a redskin got horse-collared, the anouncer said the rule only applied to the quarterback. how about the clothes-line on ramsey the first game? where was the penalty? or fine? let's face it, the redskins team is called differently, and i think it really sucks.

Re: Roy Williams = dirty tackler
 

[QUOTE=12thMan]I think it's the worst beatdown on the Redskins' side of the rivalry. But I still don't think it's the worst ever, just in a few decades.[/QUOTE]

THAT just goes to show you how good my memory is!