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And if we're going to throw out soundbite style quotes, I like this one from US News:

[I]With just one single exception, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the United States in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.[/I]

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[quote=RedskinRat;977964]From the point of self defense, I am exceedingly self absorbed or as I prefer to look at it: Proactive.

I live in a remote, high crime area. There is no way that cops are getting to my location, should I need their help, in under 30 minutes [U][B]at best[/B][/U]. I choose to have a defensive solution to hand.

I could understand your stance if I was out brandishing my handgun and big pimpin'.

Tell me what you think the bigger picture is? Kumbayah around the firepit with marshmallows? Eff that![/quote]
and i never said gun control meant turning in all guns. the assault weapons are just that. there is absolutely no need for them. in the end, the people that do the right thing will be suffering. but i guarantee you will not suffer as much as those kids did

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[quote=RedskinRat;978008]Would it make the statement easier to comprehend, do you think, if it were more accurately stated as "I[I]f only someone had a gun and were able to use it[/I]" instead of couching it in an obviously loaded (no pun intended) way?[/quote]

No. Your revision does not make the statement easier to comprehend. It also does not make the statement any less ludicrous.

It is not difficult to see that if the problem is that there are too many guns, adding guns is not a solution, whether people know how to use those guns or not.

I live in the 21st century and thus am not swayed by this 18th century argument of the gun lobby.

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[quote=Lotus;978023]No. Your revision does not make the statement easier to comprehend. It also does not make the statement any less ludicrous.

It is not difficult to see that if the problem is that there are too many guns, adding guns is not a solution, whether people know how to use those guns or not.

I live in the 21st century and thus am not swayed by this 18th century argument of the gun lobby.[/quote]

You're thinking of the [U][I]musket[/I][/U] lobby. How are you defining 'too many guns'? I have one, it has always been exactly the right amount, I wouldn't presume to tell anyone how many they should have, and that amount includes zero.

Please do me the favor of reading [URL="http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2012/08/some-notes-on-claims-about-australias.html"]this[/URL] rehash of the data by John Lott.

I appreciate your thoughts, Lotus, even though I may not agree.

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[quote=mredskins;977990]One of the more powerful statements I have heard:

[I][B]If only the first victim, Adam Lanza's mother, had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this before it started.[/B][/I][/quote]

Actually its pretty stupid because its his mother.

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and thats where he got his weapons^^^^

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[quote=firstdown;978058]Actually its pretty stupid because its his mother.[/quote]

No it's quite ironic seeing that every gun argument out there is we need to arm ourselves against evil yet his mom had guns and should could not stop him; [B]SHE ACTUALLY HELPED HIM BY HAVING THE GUNS! [/B]

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[quote=mredskins;978133]No it's quite ironic seeing that every gun argument out there is we need to arm ourselves against evil yet his mom had guns and should could not stop him; [B]SHE ACTUALLY HELPED HIM BY HAVING THE GUNS! [/B][/quote]

I don't think people buy guns ever thinking they need to protect themself from their own child. So it is stupid. I don't think when you here your son coming up the steps you grab a gun just in case he has decided to kill you. Lets say I buy into that and she did not own and asult rifle. I guess he would have just went on his way and not used another type of gun.

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For the record. Personally I think everyone should have to go through a back ground check to purchase a gun even if its a private sale. The person selling the gun would have to ID the person then call in to make sure the person had passed the back ground check. I'd say you make the back ground check good for a period of 6mon, 1 yr, or maybe up to 5 yrs depending on how detailed the back ground check was. As for assult weapons I'd say stop the sale or limit the clips. Personally I don't think that will help but if it makes people sleep better then they can have the bann. I'd also add as part of the back ground check you have to pass a gun safty course. I also think the mentally ill need to go on the list as people ban from purchasing a gun. That's suppose to be done now but it did not happen in the VT shooting so it need to be revised.

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[quote=mredskins;978133]No it's quite ironic seeing that every gun argument out there is we need to arm ourselves against evil yet his mom had guns and should could not stop him; [B]SHE ACTUALLY HELPED HIM BY HAVING THE GUNS! [/B][/quote]

A crime was committed initially when he took her gun without her permission. She should have secured the weapon correctly, he shouldn't have taken it.

Who's to say he wouldn't have used another method to dispatch his mother if she had secured the weapons?

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[quote=RedskinRat;978172]A crime was committed initially when he took her gun without her permission. She should have secured the weapon correctly, he shouldn't have taken it.

Who's to say he wouldn't have used another method to dispatch his mother if she had secured the weapons?[/quote]

He didn't steal the guns. He killed her and inherited them.

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[quote=mredskins;978133]No it's quite ironic seeing that every gun argument out there is we need to arm ourselves against evil yet [COLOR="Red"]his mom had guns and should could not stop him[/COLOR]; [B][COLOR="Purple"]SHE ACTUALLY HELPED HIM BY HAVING THE GUNS[/COLOR]! [/B][/quote]

[COLOR="Red"]She was asleep when he shot her. Please tell me about what heroic feats you perform while asleep.[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Purple"]That is the most idiotic thing I have read on the internet this year.[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=mredskins;977990]One of the more powerful statements I have heard:

[I][B]If only the first victim, Adam Lanza's mother, had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this before it started.[/B][/I][/QUOTE]
They were her guns? If only she was more responsible with them it wouldnt have happened.

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[quote=punch it in;978244]They were her guns? If only she was more responsible with them it wouldnt have happened.[/quote]

He would have found other guns.

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[quote=mredskins;978133]No it's quite ironic seeing that every gun argument out there is we need to arm ourselves against evil yet his mom had guns and should could not stop him; [B]SHE ACTUALLY HELPED HIM BY HAVING THE GUNS! [/B][/quote]

Yup.

So you gun fans, guarantee me that there is zero percent chance that a gun of yours will not be stolen and used to kill children. [B]Zero percent chance.[/B] If you cannot make me this guarantee, then you can appreciate the important point that mredskins is trying to make.