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This is all conjecture on my part, but I have experience (Been right once or twice with it).

So reports/claims are the drone strike that destroyed the VBIED actually killed a guy that worked for an American NGO and a former DOD contractor (Both Afghans) and their families. Not saying this is true but wouldn't surprise me if it was, especially if it was the Taliban providing the intel. Seen stupid shit like this done before in another theater. (a lack of a secondary explosion on the vehicle got my suspicions going).

[url]https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/30/world/afghanistan-news#a-family-says-10-of-its-members-were-killed-in-a-us-drone-strike-in-kabul[/url]

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President Biden on August 19: "If there's American citizens left [on August 31], we're gonna stay to get them all out."

Dementia ridden piece of shit wanted a fucking photo opt on 9-11. What a disgraceful piece of shit.

A lotta folks should be held accountable for this absolute debacle. Those are the words of our allies as well.

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The 20 year book on Afghanistan occupation can be closed.

President Biden took one for the team by being the president on deck to close out this shit show of a military industry contractor cash cow.

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[quote=SunnySide;1288555]The 20 year book on Afghanistan occupation can be closed.

President Biden [B]took one for the team[/B] by being the president on deck to close out this shit show of a military industry contractor cash cow.[/quote]

Pathetic

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The Obama - Biden foreign policy disasters continue.

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President Biden knew it was going to be a shit show and people on the other side of the aisle would politicize anything the Taliban did as if President Biden had blood on his hands ..

but he did it anyway. Putting whats best for America and the American people ahead of his interests in favorability polling.

Thank you President Biden.

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[quote=SunnySide;1288560]President Biden knew it was going to be a shit show and people on the other side of the aisle would politicize anything the Taliban did as if President Biden had blood on his hands ..

but he did it anyway. Putting whats best for America and the American people ahead of his interests in favorability polling.

Thank you President Biden.[/quote]

Lol…the adults are back in charge!

You must have missed the lies Biden spouted leading up to his personal decisions in this mess where he said this would not be a shitshow, the taliban would not take the country back, ISIS isn’t in Afghanistan, we wouldn’t leave Americans behind, etc.

This has been a disaster of his making ie such as the border crisis, inflation numbers, his inability to stop covid with around 260k deaths, higher crime do to his party direct support of the defund the police movement and incompetent DA in major cities, and now a foreign policy crisis NATO described as one the worst since their inception and foreign allies laid blame on this administration.

But don’t let me get in the way of you celebrating this achievement…

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[quote=SunnySide;1288560]President Biden knew it was going to be a shit show and people on the other side of the aisle would politicize anything the Taliban did as if President Biden had blood on his hands ..

but he did it anyway. Putting whats best for America and the American people ahead of his interests in favorability polling.

Thank you President Biden.[/quote]

You're thanking him for fucking it up???? Even most of those who liked the idiotic decision to surrender, even his allies in the Media, even the closest US Allies that virtually never criticize any US Government due to diplomatic niceties say he fucked it up 6 ways to Sunday. In fact he fucked it up so badly that it's a stain that almost certainly assures he will go down as one of the worst President the US ever had (He'll be keeping Trump company).

And you are thanking him for that?

Oh and Al Qaeda is openly back in Afghanistan with leaders showing themselves in public for the first time since 2001.

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[quote=nonniey;1288591]You're thanking him for fucking it up???? Even most of those who liked the idiotic decision to surrender, even his allies in the Media, even the closest US Allies that virtually never criticize any US Government due to diplomatic niceties say he fucked it up 6 ways to Sunday. In fact he fucked it up so badly that it's a stain that almost certainly assures he will go down as one of the worst President the US ever had (He'll be keeping Trump company).

And you are thanking him for that?

Oh and Al Qaeda is openly back in Afghanistan with leaders showing themselves in public for the first time since 2001.[/quote]

1. Yes I am happy we are finally done in Afghanistan and we finally stopped throwing away good money after bad.

2. Al Qaeda already being back = the last 20 years have been a waste of time and money. if 2 trillion us dollars and 20 years of occupation didnt do a damn thing .. why would I want to spend another 2T and 20 years there?

Learn from our mistakes .. not continue on the same ineffective plan.

Odd position to argue that Al Qaeda already back is somehow proof we should have continued what we were doing for the past 20 years. I see it as proof we should have pulled out long ago.

President Biden gets credit for ripping the band aid off knowing war hawks and MAGAs would be sharpening their spears on any adverse news.

20 years of failed policy is long enough imo.

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He gets credit for completing fucking up a withdrawal, gets US military killed, drone bombing an innocent family, leaving stranded Americans in harms way, abandoning allies, lying to the American people, etc

Continue…Sunnyside because somehow you are convinced it’s more important to spin this as a political victory than anything else

JFC

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1288601]He gets credit for completing fucking up a withdrawal, gets US military killed, drone bombing an innocent family, leaving stranded Americans in harms way, abandoning allies, lying to the American people, etc

Continue…Sunnyside because somehow you are convinced it’s more important to spin this as a political victory than anything else

JFC[/QUOTE]


These things only bother you when its not Trump. You have zero credibility for your disgust Chico.

A trumper who is up in arms about a president who lies. Hysterical.

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[quote=Chico23231;1288601]He gets credit for completing fucking up a withdrawal, gets US military killed, drone bombing an innocent family, leaving stranded Americans in harms way, abandoning allies, lying to the American people, etc

Continue…Sunnyside because somehow you are convinced it’s more important to spin this as a [B]political victory[/B] than anything else

JFC[/quote]

Its a victory for the American people and our tax dollars.

Less international in perpetuity engagements is a good thing. Im sure some new crisis will emerge in short time needing tax payers to line the pockets of Blackwater and other in perpetuity GI Joe LARP contractors.

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[quote=SunnySide;1288608]I....Im sure some new crisis will emerge in short time needing tax payers to line the pockets of Blackwater and other in perpetuity GI Joe LARP contractors.[/quote]

Probably originating from Afghanistan which will cost 100-1000 times what we were paying to maintain the small garrison we had been maintaining in Afghanistan.

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Wow I guess some of the parents of the military personnel killed last week called the President an incompetent fool to his face. I think they should just have refused to meet him (as some did) if they couldn't control their emotions.

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[quote=punch it in;1288603]These things only bother you when its not Trump. You have zero credibility for your disgust Chico.

A trumper who is up in arms about a president who lies. Hysterical.[/quote]

This routine of trumper this and that, these insults has never matched my actual positions or addressed the data/facts i present here.

When you go for insults like these it only strengthens my arguments.

And your a fucking dickface for the number 1 draft position in fantasy. Don’t squander the opportunity to take Saquon Barkley. He’s the top rated player in the draft

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1288623]This routine of trumper this and that, these insults has never matched my actual positions or addressed the data/facts i present here.

When you go for insults like these it only strengthens my arguments.

And your a fucking dickface for the number 1 draft position in fantasy. Don’t squander the opportunity to take Saquon Barkley. He’s the top rated player in the draft[/QUOTE]


A) how is trumper an insult? It is just a name for someone who sides with Trump all the time. I honestly did not mean it as an insult. I think it’s hysterical that a trumper - ie someone who supports trump is up in arms about a potus lying. Come on man. Gotta admit thats ironic.

B) I didn’t even know about getting first pick. Will go nice with my first place trophy.
I dont even see the draft order? Dont fuckin fuck with me about such an honor!

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[quote=punch it in;1288635]A) how is trumper an insult? It is just a name for someone who sides with Trump all the time. I honestly did not mean it as an insult. I think it’s hysterical that a trumper - ie someone who supports trump is up in arms about a potus lying. Come on man. Gotta admit thats ironic.

B) I didn’t even know about getting first pick. Will go nice with my first place trophy.
I dont even see the draft order? Dont fuckin fuck with me about such an honor![/quote]

I’m constantly amazed y’all mention him over and over again…much more I have ever done. Y’all miss him, I get it.

Like i said, you know ya got nothing of substance when you go with it. It’s very G1 like.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1288639]I’m constantly amazed y’all mention him over and over again…much more I have ever done. Y’all miss him, I get it.

Like i said, you know ya got nothing of substance when you go with it. It’s very G1 like.[/QUOTE]


Don’t overthink or over complicate my comment. A trump supporter saying it is wrong for a President to lie to the American people is fucking laughable.

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Imbecilic’: Ex-UK leader Tony Blair slams Afghan withdrawal

“The abandonment of Afghanistan and its people is tragic, dangerous, unnecessary, not in their interests and not in ours,”


.....Blair also accused U.S. President Joe Biden of being “in obedience to an imbecilic political slogan about ending ‘the forever wars’, as if our engagement in 2021 was remotely comparable to our commitment 20 or even 10 years ago.”....

[url]https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-europe-middle-east-tony-blair-4ee456473a928eb97163fc080c40ed31[/url]

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[quote=nonniey;1288591]You're thanking him for fucking it up???? Even most of those who liked the idiotic decision to surrender, .[/quote]




That was trump rocky! People like you like to forget that it was trumps deal, at least be honest!

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I'm not jumping in this debate on whether we should've left anymore, I've already said my piece on it.

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fact-focus-trump-others-wrong-on-us-gear-left-with-taliban/ar-AANXdlT?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

I did find this interesting though.

The question is - assuming all of our gear left behind was stuff we gave to the ANA to help them - would you rather have taken back all that gear when we left or just never gave it to them in the first place at all? Because either option basically guarantees they fold - whereas our whole strategy seemed to be arm them and train them to defend the nation long enough for us to get out.

In hindsight yes it's obviously a failure on our part to underestimate how many actually cared about fighting the Taliban but we don't have the luxury of knowing hindsight when we're making plans to withdraw.

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[quote=Chico23231;1288623]This routine of trumper this and that, these insults has never matched my actual positions or addressed the data/facts i present here.

When you go for insults like these it only strengthens my arguments.

[/quote]


You have no argument you never do , you act like a petulant child ,your response's and points of view are very trump like which is ignorant .You rarely address facts .Face it your position if that's what you want to call it is anti American.

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[quote=mooby;1288675]I'm not jumping in this debate on whether we should've left anymore, I've already said my piece on it.

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fact-focus-trump-others-wrong-on-us-gear-left-with-taliban/ar-AANXdlT?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

I did find this interesting though.

The question is - assuming all of our gear left behind was stuff we gave to the ANA to help them - would you rather have taken back all that gear when we left or just never gave it to them in the first place at all? Because either option basically guarantees they fold - whereas our whole strategy seemed to be arm them and train them to defend the nation long enough for us to get out.

In hindsight yes it's obviously a failure on our part to underestimate how many actually cared about fighting the Taliban but we don't have the luxury of knowing hindsight when we're making plans to withdraw.[/quote]

I said something similar. People (anti Biden) say we fucked up and yes the withdrawal was a massive fuck up I make no excuses for it. The equipment argument is BS .We left it to the Afghan Army and they deserted their own people they left it not the US. What we did leave they either can not use or it was disabled .

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[quote=Giantone;1288672]That was trump rocky! People like you like to forget that it was trumps deal, at least be honest![/quote]

If you think that then you haven't been paying attention to what I've posted. Hey Chico have I forgotten it was Trumps deal??? Anyone else who reads my posts - have I?

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[quote=mooby;1288333]+1

I don't understand why we can't all agree on that.[/quote]

Update

President Biden is a fucking retard…welp that’s not the update

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/small-fraction-america-s-afghan-allies-made-it-out-afghanistan-n1278141[/url]

More than 120,000 people of all nationalities were evacuated from the Kabul airport as the U.S. military withdrew, but initial figures suggest that only about [B]8,500[/B] of those who left Afghanistan in recent months were Afghans, according to numbers released by the Biden administration and estimates from advocates.

Gen Retard Coward Milley should resign.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1288733]Update

President Biden is a fucking retard…welp that’s not the update

[url]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/small-fraction-america-s-afghan-allies-made-it-out-afghanistan-n1278141[/url]

More than 120,000 people of all nationalities were evacuated from the Kabul airport as the U.S. military withdrew, but initial figures suggest that only about [B]8,500[/B] of those who left Afghanistan in recent months were Afghans, according to numbers released by the Biden administration and estimates from advocates.

Gen Retard Coward Milley should resign.[/QUOTE]


So America first, fuck the Kurds, poor Afghans. Gotcha. How convenient.

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[url]https://www.reuters.com/world/exclusive-call-before-afghan-collapse-biden-pressed-ghani-change-perception-2021-08-31/[/url]

Exclusive: Before Afghan collapse, Biden pressed Ghani to ‘change perception’

Release the tapes and transcripts!

Am I doing it right?

Biden is a disgrace here…bad look. Biden is asking him to lie

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Not 1 comment about Biden telling the Afghan president to lie about the facts on the ground in July.

Apparently only calls to Ukraine matter. Got it.

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LOL, the two trumpettes reaching for straws.

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[quote=Giantone;1288951]LOL, the two trumpettes reaching for straws.[/quote]

How original, I'm back to being a Trumpette now. Your standard go to when anyone criticizes Biden.

Criticize Biden = Trumpette

If you didn't have double standards about Biden, you wouldn't have any standards at all. It's weird that you're a "republican" but you constantly carry his water.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1288944]Not 1 comment about Biden telling the Afghan president to lie about the facts on the ground in July.

Apparently only calls to Ukraine matter. Got it.[/quote]

I'd be happy to condemn Biden for asking Ghani to lie for him if you would also be happy to condemn Trump for using his position to try and gain an advantage to winning reelection.

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[quote=mooby;1288958]I'd be happy to condemn Biden for asking Ghani to lie for him if you would also be happy to condemn Trump for using his position to try and gain an advantage to winning reelection.[/quote]

Done.

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Note - I am not saying anything about this call being impeachable. Or that anything about about the withdrawal is. All that talk is ridiculous. A lot of us on the right complained about the impeachments against Trump. Now many of those same people keep throwing the word around everytime Biden looks the wrong direction.

But the call is certainly not a good look, especially considering how the withdrawal turned into such a shitshow.

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[quote=Giantone;1288951]LOL, the two trumpettes reaching for straws.[/quote]

At it again huh? Is it your position that anyone who criticizes Biden is a "Trumpette"?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1288960]Done.

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Note - I am not saying anything about this call being impeachable. Or that anything about about the withdrawal is. All that talk is ridiculous. A lot of us on the right complained about the impeachments against Trump. Now many of those same people keep throwing the word around everytime Biden looks the wrong direction.

But the call is certainly not a good look, especially considering how the withdrawal turned into such a shitshow.[/quote]

Being an incompetent fool is not an impeachable offense - many on both the left and right can't grasp that.

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[quote=mooby;1288958]I'd be happy to condemn Biden for asking Ghani to lie for him if you would also be happy to condemn Trump for using his position to try and gain an advantage to winning reelection.[/quote]

Pretty sure I have jumped into Biden's shit about the withdrawal .Yet the trumpettes here won't condemn trump ,oh they deny supporting him and then back all his policies and preach the same BS he does.

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[quote=Giantone;1288963]Pretty sure I have jumped into Biden's shit about the withdrawal .Yet the trumpettes here won't condemn trump ,oh they deny supporting him and then back all his policies and preach the same BS he does.[/quote]

That's just blatant and willful blindness of what people actually post here. As far I can see there is just one and only one poster who doesn't condemn Trump. Do you want to go back over multiple pages of me tearing into Trump for his idiotic Afghan withdrawal proposal? Do I have to point you to the multiple posts where I was complaining that we replaced one of the worst Presidents the US ever had with one of the worst Presidents the US ever had? Jeez guy pay attention to what we're posting. Bottom-line condemning Biden for his idiocy doesn't make one a Trump supporter.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1288960]Done.

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Note - I am not saying anything about this call being impeachable. Or that anything about about the withdrawal is. All that talk is ridiculous. A lot of us on the right complained about the impeachments against Trump. Now many of those same people keep throwing the word around everytime Biden looks the wrong direction.

[B]But the call is certainly not a good look, especially considering how the withdrawal turned into such a shitshow.[/B][/quote]

I totally agree. I would respect Biden and his staff and the military that much more if he would just own it - but he won't. It's not a dealbreaker for me but now I trust him that much less when it comes to foreign policy.

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[quote=Giantone;1288963]Pretty sure I have jumped into Biden's shit about the withdrawal .Yet the trumpettes here won't condemn trump ,oh they deny supporting him and then back all his policies and preach the same BS he does.[/quote]

Because it's all or nothing with some people on here. If we all conceded a little from time to time we could get along much better - but rarely will you see Chico admit he thinks less of Trump for a certain strategy Trump uses. In the meantime all we get is "man ya'll really pressed on Trump" every time we mention him even though this fuckface is getting ready to announce his 2024 campaign.

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[quote=mooby;1288968]I totally agree. I would respect Biden and his staff and the military that much more if he would just own it - but he won't. It's not a dealbreaker for me but now I trust him that much less when it comes to foreign policy.[/quote]

Uh-oh that makes you a Trumpet in one posters eyes.