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Now that's well thought out Schneed and a good post. I think Gibbs the team President has tried to help Gibbs the coach, but he's just got too many irons in the fire. In my opinion, instead of giving up play calling, he should've given up being a GM. At the same time, I understand why Gibbs took on that role as well. Still, if all that Gibbs has to concentrate on is coaching this team, we'd be an elite team right now. Joe is still the Joe Gibbs from the glory years, but he's spreading himself way too thin. He needs some help in the FO.

(Thanks SS! ;))

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[quote=SmootSmack;377578]Good points. He's certainly made more mistakes in the office than on the field. Joe Gibbs hasn't always supported Joe Gibbs. There is hope that that is turning around. We've seen some signs (perhaps mostly idle words) of this, but it's a tough hole he's dug that he is ultimately responsible for.

But, as I mentioned last season, I think our talent evaluation issues may be at a more basic, scouting level.

Either way, it's definitely something that needs to be improved

(by the way, Schneed I removed your post from the other thread b/c it made more sense just to have it here)[/quote]

Cool beans, thanks for keeping us organized.

He's done some good things with player acquisition. Most of the free agents he's brought in were good. Though Griffin, Washington, and Moss are looking less like the big winners they were back in 2004. Those guys are hurt a little too often for my tastes. He's made good picks with Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, etc. Campbell especially may have the capability to keep us in the playoff hunt every year. And you're right, they have said they'll keep 2008's draft picks, so that seems to show they're learning their lesson.

So I can't totally crap on Gibbs. After all, we're in a much better situation than we were when Spurrier was here, which says a lot. And I think we'd be 7-2 right now if we never lost Randy Thomas to injury (goalline beast).

But man, it just sucks because we're feeling those personnel decisions right this very minute. When you're 5-4 with tons of players hurt, and facing a pretty tough road in the last 7 games, no depth equals no playoffs, in my humble opinion.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;377587]
But man, it just sucks because we're feeling those personnel decisions right this very minute. When you're 5-4 with tons of players hurt, and facing a pretty tough road in the last 7 games, no depth equals no playoffs, in my humble opinion.[/QUOTE]


I hear ya! I'm just hoping whoever we have left to step up will do so starting this week.

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Depth is a funny thing. Last year we were saying how much better the team would be if Prioleau hadn't gotten hurt and he was playing instead of Archuleta. This year we're lamenting needing Prioleau to play while Taylor sits out.

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[quote=Schneed10;377587]Cool beans, thanks for keeping us organized.

He's done some good things with player acquisition. Most of the free agents he's brought in were good. Though Griffin, Washington, and Moss are looking less like the big winners they were back in 2004. Those guys are hurt a little too often for my tastes. He's made good picks with Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, etc. Campbell especially may have the capability to keep us in the playoff hunt every year. And you're right, they have said they'll keep 2008's draft picks, so that seems to show they're learning their lesson.

So I can't totally crap on Gibbs. After all, we're in a much better situation than we were when Spurrier was here, which says a lot. And I think we'd be 7-2 right now if we never lost Randy Thomas to injury (goalline beast).

But man, it just sucks because we're feeling those personnel decisions right this very minute. When you're 5-4 with tons of players hurt, and facing a pretty tough road in the last 7 games, no depth equals no playoffs, in my humble opinion.[/quote]Playoffs or no playoffs, this won't be the year the Redskins return to glory.

Nothing glorious about being the 6th seed in the NFC at 9-7...but it does mean more football, which should be the goal at this point. Just last as long as you can.

Anyway, you already know I agree with you on the personnel moves. The logic behind those were very straightforward, the only problem was the only scouting done on them was asking Al Saunders what he thought of them. We brought Saunders in here, treated him like a godsend offensive mastermind, and got burned. Now we keep him in his corner and let him run practice and make game plans. He doesn't really have Gibbs' trust in personnel imput though.

Trying to acquire a power back, a receiver with reputation of an up and comer, and an established safety with a rep for being a big hitter seemed good in theory at the time, but the team simply acted before doing their homework. Over the next few seasons, we will feel the effects of those moves.

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[quote=SmootSmack;377615]Depth is a funny thing. Last year we were saying how much better the team would be if Prioleau hadn't gotten hurt and he was playing instead of Archuleta. This year we're lamenting needing Prioleau to play while Taylor sits out.[/quote]Yeah, pretty much.

We really have invested so much in the secondary over the years. It's a shame that we are so reliant on it's dominance. Normally, I'd be very happy with Landry, Smoot, Springs, and Prioleau in the secondary. That's a lot better than the Rogers, Wright, Taylor, and Vernon Fox we were playing with last year. The problem is this team set the bar really high for itself at the beginning of the year, but doesn't have the talent anymore to fulfill these expectations.

I said at the beginning of the year on this here fourm that the Redskins had a better chance to beat the Eagles on the road in Week 2 than they did at home in Week 10. The difference in depth between these two teams is mind boggling. We were able to get them when we had a healthy defense, but as the season began to sap our players, there became a point in which the Eagles passed us in the level of talent they had on the field. Seems like the only position(s) where we have them now is MLB, TE, and arguably Quarterback. Back in September, we had them on the offensive line, at the receivers, in the secondary, and even on the defensive line. They just have solid depth at those positions and we do not.

We still have a one game lead on them and they still have a way tougher schedule down the stretch so we should stay ahead of them.

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[QUOTE=GiantsSuck703;377500]This is a prime example of not being allowed to go against the grain on a so called fan forum. Unfortunately some people only appreciate "speaking your mind" when your in agreement with them. Im about to be "benched" for this truthful statement, give me a break. I dont really understand what this website is about, come on, its about being a kool-aid drinker and everyone who says anything negative about the team is all of a sudden in danger of being benched. If you cant take a debate, then dont get involved in the argument.[/QUOTE]


GS you the bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell it like it is brother!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[QUOTE=redduke44;377418]Its not gonna happen,so dont do this to yourself,I been doing this the last couple of years and all I have got is laughed at by all the cowboys,giants and eagles fans at my job it SUCKS dude,not to mention the money I lost on side bets.It is what it is.
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Whatever you do redduke don't bet your cowboy buddies this week, unless your getting a minimum of 24 points!

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[QUOTE=offiss;377648]GS you the bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell it like it is brother!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Offiss, your MO is very clear - bitch about everything from Gibbs, to the players, to this site. You are the guy who complains about the summer being hotter than a furnace, the winter being colder than shit, the spring being wetter than a pool, the fall being too brown, your boss is Hitler, the waitress is slower than Corky from Life Goes On, you are going to die if you have to do X. We get it.

It has been old for quite some time and now it's beyond annoying. It's one thing to criticize, it's quite another to bitch. You don't criticize intelligently like other people (e.g., Schneed and GMScud), you bitch. You don't see the good and the bad, you only see the bad. You don't use any nuance and you never say anything with any degree of restraint. You are like the guy in my law school class who saw the world in black and white terms and couldn't understand why he was flunking out of school. Frankly, you remind me of my girlfriend when she is on the rag. Fortunately for me, I can just blow off my girlfriend and tell myself, "She'll be sane and rational again in a few days." Unfortunately, your snatch is apparently constantly bleeding like a stuck pig and you never change.

This post violates a few site rules and I don't care if I am censored by the other mods for it. I can deal with people criticizing the team (as I have on many, many, many occasions), but to hear someone do it ALL the time and to hear them bitch about this site is too much. I am going to invite you to do yourself and all of us a favor......walk away. If this site and this team suck so much, go become a Cowboys fan.

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[QUOTE=offiss;377648]GS you the bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell it like it is brother!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

You should know as well as anyone else that GS's statements were stupid, inane, and completely inaccurate. If you can't see that, you should leave.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;377651]Offiss, your MO is very clear - bitch about everything from Gibbs, to the players, to this site. You are the guy who complains about the summer being hotter than a furnace, the winter being colder than shit, the spring being wetter than a pool, the fall being too brown, your boss is Hitler, the waitress is slower than Corky from Life Goes On, you are going to die if you have to do X. We get it.

It has been old for quite some time and now it's beyond annoying. It's one thing to criticize, it's quite another to bitch. You don't criticize intelligently like other people (e.g., Schneed and GMScud), you bitch. You don't see the good and the bad, you only see the bad. You don't use any nuance and you never say anything with any degree of restraint. You are like the guy in my law school class who saw the world in black and white terms and couldn't understand why he was flunking out of school. Frankly, you remind me of my girlfriend when she is on the rag. Fortunately for me, I can just blow off my girlfriend and tell myself, "She'll be sane and rational again in a few days." Unfortunately, your snatch is apparently constantly bleeding like a stuck pig and you never change.

This post violates a few site rules and I don't care if I am censored by the other mods for it. I can deal with people criticizing the team (as I have on many, many, many occasions), but to hear someone do it ALL the time and to hear them bitch about this site is too much. I am going to invite you to do yourself and all of us a favor......walk away. If this site and this team suck so much, go become a Cowboys fan.[/QUOTE]


Kind of funny as usual with you that every one else has the problem, and of coarse starting with me, and now everyone else who disagrees with you, or posts statements that are not flatering towards the Gibbs led Skins should leave, individuals are not allowed to have their own opinions, they have to agree with you? Whatever you say Stalin. I have no problem with people who disagree with me but apparently you do, so I have to ask the question if you are so annoyed why don't you walk away? Is there something stopping you from doing that? The fact is I have been right about Gibbs from the get go, and unfortunately your hero has done nothing to prove me wrong, and that is whats really ticking you off isn't it? When an individual does the same thing wrong over and over, the method, or solution to fix it isn't going to change. For example 2+2=5 well we all know the answer is 4 don't we? But apparently you want to here something different, perhaps 3, or 6, well I can't help you there my opinion is that the answer is 4 and it ain't going to change, if you want a different answer then go find some one who doesn't know how to add.

Why don't you explain for a change just how we are going to turn this team around with gibbs in charge? Go ahead break it down for me so I can dissect it and explain how it wont happen, so when it doesn't happen we can see who really knows what they are talking about, would ya do that for me? I already know that you can't, and wont except this challenge! And I don't want to hear the 10 year plan either!

See you are like the simple minded moron who isn't smart enough to obtain leadership roles through merit, but still thinks he should be in charge, so to do so you have to go through by back door means to attempt to gain the notoriety you crave but yet aren't qualified, in other words it's up to everyone else to get out of your way, so you can get yours, Now I know why you like Gibbs so much, he's waiting for the other team to lose the game, we wouldn't want to score to much and hurt someones feelings now would we?

Please clear something up for me, is your girlfriend, and the guy who flunked out of your law school one in the same?

[QUOTE]I am going to invite you to do yourself and all of us a favor......walk away. If this site and this team suck so much, go become a Cowboys fan.[/QUOTE]

I like the way you tried to link this site with my bashing of the skins as to drum up mod sympathy for your personal problems with me, how lawyer esc of you, simple, and childish, but a true lawyer none the less. I have always from day one been respectful to this site and to the members here until someone like yourself decides to make it personal, then I will lay into an individual who is asking for it just like yourself, otherwise I usually just keep disagreeing with them, I don't have to call them names and attack them personally like yourself, of coarse that is what people do when they have no more answers but can't admit defeat, they make it personal. I am sure your law school will at some point get to that chapter, it's titled how to sling mud when all else fails, you should get an A+, you really sound like a natural.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;377656]You should know as well as anyone else that GS's statements were stupid, inane, and completely inaccurate. If you can't see that, you should leave.[/QUOTE]

Ironic!

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Offiss,

You failed to understand anything that I said. I have no problem with people who intelligently criticize the team. I have problems with people who view the team, any important issue, or the world in black and white terms and reduce everything to right and wrong, good v. evil, etc. Note that I have only asked about 2 people (including you) to leave this site in the past year or so. I'm particularly tired of people bitching about this site. My position is reasonable; if you don't like the site, be gone.

As for being a simple-minded moron, dude I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but you are a mental midget and make me feel like Einstein. By the way, it's not "of coarse," it's "of course."

But, I'm done. No one wants to read these stupid personal attacks (including mine) and I don't feel like wasting my time. I'll just hit the ignore button and hopefully you will do the same.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;377615]Depth is a funny thing. Last year we were saying how much better the team would be if Prioleau hadn't gotten hurt and he was playing instead of Archuleta. This year we're lamenting needing Prioleau to play while Taylor sits out.[/QUOTE]

Prioleau is a good blitzer, but is ordinary in coverage. Arch was supposedly a good blitzer and ordinary in coverage, but ended up blowing at both.

Perhaps Grilliams will consider sending Prioleau on blitzes while keeping Landry in coverage.

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[quote=SmootSmack;377615]Depth is a funny thing. Last year we were saying how much better the team would be if Prioleau hadn't gotten hurt and he was playing instead of Archuleta. This year we're lamenting needing Prioleau to play while Taylor sits out.[/quote]

I think there are two significant reasons for that, and they kind of go hand in hand.

1) Taylor is playing like the best safety in the NFL right now. He's intercepting a lot of passes and knocking down plenty more.

2) GW changed his defensive scheme with Taylor in mind. Taylor sits back playing center field because he's got that crazy range.

Our scheme is now much more reliant on Taylor's abilities than it was last year. That's why this hurts so much. If he's not back there, GW needs to re-adjust his scheme a bit, we'll have to gamble more and send the blitz.