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[quote=Dirtbag359;513134]Personally I think we should have hired Mooch. In looking back he was my favorite out of the endless pool of candidates during our incompetent coaching search. Mooch also had the experience, motivation, and personality to succeed here in Washington. Never would he have flat out blamed players publicly for not executing and never would he have had a "You ok?" moment.

I know I'm going through a lot of names these days but I would welcome Mooch to this team with open arms. Either way I'm going to support the Falcons and Ravens for the remainder of the season, and as much as I would love to say "I don't support the Redskins anymore" well quite frankly I don't think I have the heart to pull off such a feat.[/quote]

Mooch? Shoot, might as well try to get Gibbs back. Mooch is washed up man. His stint here in Detroit did him in for good I think. No more guys from the West Coast!!!!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;513135]Mooch? Shoot, might as well try to get Gibbs back. Mooch is washed up man. His stint here in Detroit did him in for good I think. No more guys from the West Coast!!!![/quote]

Everyone screws up in Detroit. I mean what can you expect they had their own version of Vinny Cerrato (in fact a worst version), no QB, no RB, no defense. It's a wonder Mooch lasted as look as he did.

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[quote=44ever;512475]You know I love Gibbs but he's been away from the game for too long. Believe me when I heard Zorn was named HC I thought it was some sort of joke. I still do. Cowher would be a great coach no doubt. But all I'm saying is Jimmy Johnson was seen as a joke too. I would give Zorn at least one more year to see if he can improve the Skins. It's not like Cowher is bringing us to the SuperBowl in 1 season. Either way next year will be a transition. I may be wrong. Who knows maybe Zorn was the only one that wanted the job :)[/quote]


I would agree with you( having Zorn stay) if there wasn't such a collapse as we have witnessed. Zorn can only clean so much house in the offseason to try and right the ship for '09. His system is the main problem, along with non performance issues. IF Zorn came up with a whole new system and could sell the team on it for '09 I could go for him staying, but I don't think that is going to happen.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;513137]Everyone screws up in Detroit. I mean what can you expect they had their own version of Vinny Cerrato (in fact a worst version), no QB, no RB, no defense. It's a wonder Mooch lasted as look as he did.[/quote]


Detroit is the graveyard of coaches til the Fords sell out!!!!!

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Should this be true, it will ruin all the steps we've made towards progress. We cannot cut loose Zorn after only a year. I don't really believe that it is his fault our offense has been day and night between the first and second half of the season. I still point the blame towards the Monday night game vs Pittsburgh, where we had no effective offense and Campbell lost some confidence.

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Snyder has not fired a coach after one season in 8 years.

The issue with Shottenheimer was that he wanted all the power. They parted ways.

I think the 'firing' of Zorn is a false issue. Zorn has done the best he can with an average team. Our issues are a weak and old OL and DL. That's what every "expert" has been saying about the Redskins for the last 5 weeks.

Only in the hypercritical Washington market do people want an instant success. Then others will complain that the team is fickle and narrow-minded.

Snyder has backed the last two coaches. He will back Zorn for three seasons.

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[quote=A10sROCK;513962]Snyder has not fired a coach after one season in 8 years.

The issue with Shottenheimer was that he wanted all the power. They parted ways.

I think the 'firing' of Zorn is a false issue. Zorn has done the best he can with an average team. Our issues are a weak and old OL and DL. [B]That's what every "expert" has been saying about the Redskins for the last 5 weeks. Only in the hypercritical Washington market do people want an instant success. Then others will complain that the team is fickle and narrow-minded.[/B]

Snyder has backed the last two coaches. He will back Zorn for three seasons.[/quote]

What's with the quotes around the word 'expert'? Clearly, the experts were right, and this joke of a front office has been wrong. And what makes you think the market of fans in Washington are the only ones who want instant success? Every market wants that. And with the way the NFL is structured, just about every team has that ability. Look at Atlanta and Miami. Those turnarounds are about as instantaneous as you can get.

It's absurd to say that fans of the Redskins are "hypercritical" or the most impatient when for 10 years we've suffered through F'ed up drafts, over-paid and overrated free agent disasters, draft picks tossed down the drain, the most expensive ticket prices in the league, the most expensive hot dogs and beers in the league, all to watch a team with a losing record ever since the franchise was taken over by complete buffoons. For TEN YEARS we've put up with this crap -- and some people have the audacity to say we're just not patient enough.

[B]The issue with Shottenheimer was that he wanted all the power. They parted ways.[/B]

False. According to the terms of the original contract, Schottenheimer [I]already had [/I]complete control. Then after the season finished, Snyder tried to weasel his way back [I]into[/I] control of personnel decisions and assistant coaching hires which was in total violation of that contract. Schottenheimer refused to relent, and Lil' Danny fired him.

Lil' Danny's next act of wisdom was to bring in the flavor of the nanosecond -- Steve Spurrier, and as we all know, that set the franchise back even further.

It's botch-job after botch-job with our dork of an owner. Looking back, Marty probably had things moving in the right direction better than any other coach. And that includes Joe Gibbs.

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More than anything, Snyder wanted Schottenheimer to focus on coaching the team and he was trying to hire a general manager. Remember, we were close to getting Beathard back. But no one wanted to come so long as they didn't have control over the scouting department, the draft board, etc. (all stuff that Marty oversaw and wouldn't give up).

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[quote=SmootSmack;514035]More than anything, Snyder wanted Schottenheimer to focus on coaching the team and he was trying to hire a general manager. Remember, we were close to getting Beathard back. But no one wanted to come so long as they didn't have control over the scouting department, the draft board, etc. ([B]all stuff that Marty oversaw and wouldn't give up[/B]).[/quote]

Nor should he have had to. The contract stated Marty had complete control. Danny didn't like that, so he went back on his word and attempted to get Marty to void key terms of the contract. Schottenheimer stood his ground -- just as the contract said he could.

Danny made Beathard a bullsh*t offer to make it appear that every effort was made to get him here. Bottom line was that the Boy Owner couldn't stand not having his greasy little hands in the mix along with Vinny back as his right-hand man. Then Spurrier came along.

And the rest was misery, er ...history.

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[quote=A10sROCK;513962]Snyder has not fired a coach after one season in 8 years.

The issue with Shottenheimer was that he wanted all the power. They parted ways.

I think the 'firing' of Zorn is a false issue. Zorn has done the best he can with an average team. Our issues are a weak and old OL and DL. That's what every "expert" has been saying about the Redskins for the last 5 weeks.

Only in the hypercritical Washington market do people want an instant success. Then others will complain that the team is fickle and narrow-minded.

Snyder has backed the last two coaches. He will back Zorn for three seasons.[/quote]


8 yrs is a long time. I imagine Snyder is ready to do that again by now. Hypercritical....yep call me that. Call me whatever you want. Our owner also does not like to be embarrassed. The latter part of the season was an embarrassement. I'll agree and say I doubt Snyder will fire Zorn. Only cause Snyder also does not like to look wrong or be told I told you so.

The only issue I have is Zorn looked like he was not capable of adjustment. I have mentioned on several boards that I wonder if Snyder can figure out a way to bring in a HC and still keep Zorn as OC, but the more I look at it if Zorn can't adjust his play calls or game during the season or games then why should he be retained as OC? and if we are going to let him go and look elsewhere then I would have to say Snyder lets stop with the ...."we are one year away from the SB" antics and decide its not working everytime. It's always the same. Lets get this big name cause he will take us there. It's time to call it "rebuild." Lets hire someone who will rebuild this team with younger players and healthy players and not throw away draft picks.

I can see this happening only if he is able to swindle Cowher out of retirement. and to be honest I'm not impressed with any of the coach's and that includes Buges this year. I think they asked Buges to coach a system he is not comfortable or expirienced in using. He used to be able to coach someone out of a wet paper bag. Look at Heyer last yr. This yr he looks a mess. Out of all the coach's available out there I like I think I like Cowher the best. I also know it took him something like 10 yrs to get to the SB. So maybe Snyder can lower everyones expectations simply by saying we are going to rebuild. Then no one will expect anything. Every yr we end up the same cause we are told this team has talent and it only needs one thing to get to the SB.

1st it was Shotty then gone after one yr. 2nd it was Spurrier cause his offense was going to light it up in the NFL. gone. 3rd Gibbs would bring us back. but it didn't. Then we needed Saunders. that didn't work. Now Zorn and the WCO had to work right. We have all the talent but we simply have to find a system that fits the players in order to get to the SB. How about we just do something different and rebuild. get rid of all the old players and bring in young ones who are hungry.

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On Monday Night Countdown, Chris Mortensen just said Jim Zorn's job was safe. I don't know how solid that is, but Mort seemed pretty confident about it.

To me, Snyder seems like the kind of guy who makes impulsive decisions, and once he's made those decisions there's not much that will change his mind. The Bengal game probably did Zorn in.

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[quote=Beemnseven;514938]On Monday Night Countdown, Chris Mortensen just said Jim Zorn's job was safe. I don't know how solid that is, but Mort seemed pretty confident about it.

To me, Snyder seems like the kind of guy who makes impulsive decisions, and once he's made those decisions there's not much that will change his mind. [B]The Bengal game probably did Zorn in[/B].[/quote]

I definitely don't think Zorn is gone.

Wash Post columnist Mike Wise goes as far as issuing a guarantee that Zorn's job is safe:

[I]There might be a few doomsayers who will point out [/I][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Marty+Schottenheimer?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0c4790][I]Marty Schottenheimer[/I][/COLOR][/URL][I] was 8-8 in his one and only season before [/I][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Daniel+Snyder?tid=informline"][COLOR=#0c4790][I]Daniel Snyder[/I][/COLOR][/URL][I] jettisoned the my-way-or-else coach; Zorn is more pliable and likable, much cheaper and -- this is a guarantee -- isn't going anywhere after this season.[/I]

Link to full article: [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/21/AR2008122102509.html]Mike Wise - Mea Culpa Complex - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=Beemnseven;514938]On Monday Night Countdown, Chris Mortensen just said Jim Zorn's job was safe. I don't know how solid that is, but Mort seemed pretty confident about it.

To me, Snyder seems like the kind of guy who makes impulsive decisions, and once he's made those decisions there's not much that will change his mind. The Bengal game probably did Zorn in.[/quote]

I told Mort to say that :) Seriously though, Zorn has probably increased his chances significantly the last two weeks of staying, mainly through his humility. And I certainly hope he stays.

Snyder is actually not at all impulsive, not anymore at least. He really deliberates

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[quote=SmootSmack;514945]I told Mort to say that :) Seriously though, Zorn has probably increased his chances significantly the last two weeks of staying, mainly through his humility. And I certainly hope he stays.

[B]Snyder is actually not at all impulsive, not anymore at least. He really deliberates[/B][/quote]

If true, that would certainly be a departure from his pattern. Not just as an owner, but successful businessmen as well. More often than not, big shot business owners don't spend a whole lot of time sucking their thumbs contemplating. He's a businessman first, and I still believe his nature is to use his instincts to make snap judgements at a quicker pace.

Making decisions about a football team is different of course. So if he's truly changed in that regard, we'll just have to see.

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[quote=SmootSmack;514945]I told Mort to say that :) Seriously though, Zorn has probably increased his chances significantly the last two weeks of staying, mainly through his humility. And I certainly hope he stays.

[B]Snyder is actually not at all impulsive, not anymore at least. He really deliberates[/B][/quote]

As we saw with the coach search to replace Gibbs.