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This is a brilliant move.Why take a chance on getting DM hurt if we are trying to trade him.

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[quote=Bigreds77;770132]This is a brilliant move.Why take a chance on getting DM hurt if we are trying to trade him.[/quote]

Mainly to preserve any trade value that McNabb might grant us. In that case there's to schools of thought with teams that might potentially be interested in McNabb. The first school says we should wait for him to be released and then proceed to attempt and sign him as a free agent. The other school says we have no chance if we have to compete on a level playing field with other teams for his services, ergo we need to attempt and trade for him before he hits free agency.

As long as you have teams in the latter you will have trade value for McNabb but benching him leads other teams to believe that you will release him if all else fails which drives down the asking price towards teams willing to deal. Then again the benching might lead other teams to believe they have a shot at dealing for him in the first place.

Either way I think Sally Jenkins summed it up best in that the benching lets us see not only what we have in our other QB's but also a chance to find out if McNabb is the source of our offensive woe's. Obviously if the offensive starts playing well without McNabb than we know that the QB is at fault for our measly 18.3 points per game.

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[quote=Kope;770118]I think what I am thinking is:

we havent had a real football [B]team[/B] in DC since Marty left. That was the last time I really felt good about the skins direction as an organization. What I remember from that season was - Darrell Green being called out in Training camp and unhappy vets.

Since then it has been the just a couple of players away mentality.

We havent been able to get a plan together and stick to it long enough to make progress. Saint Joe came back to save the franchise, not (and there is a HUGE difference) to be the best coach he could be. Not that he didnt try relly hard, he just wasnt as commited as he was the first time. OBC and Zorny were horrid and out of thier league...now we have a legit coach who is still very hungry after being canned in Denver. Not that different than Marty.

[B]I guess what I am saying is - this might be the "breaking" we need. This might be the event that really starts to clear the roster and change the culture of the team. [/B]I know that right now it looks and effing feels like the same old BS we have lived with....except one thing; as far as I can tell this is based on performance. I am actually glad we are evaluating for next year.

I am however well aware and gunshy of our last 8 years of clownassery that has put us in this position. As the eternal skins optomist I am actually pleased. as a realist I am dreading what this will lead to.

This drivel is what being a skins fan has reduced me to[/quote]

Very well said. This team needs a fanny-paddling in a fierce way.

For everyone who's "losing faith" in Shanahan, I wonder ... would you seriously prefer to see him fired, keep the locker room intact, and start over [I]again[/I] next year with the same players but yet another head coach? Outside of Dan Snyder, there's been one constant for the past 5-6 years or so -- and that's a core of players that has never really lived up to expectations. We have few players who are young with a lot of potential, (Landry, Orakpo, Torain) but apart from them, it's time to move on ...

Everybody else? If he's "lost them," so be it.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;770133][B]Mainly to preserve any trade value that McNabb might grant us. [/B]In that case there's to schools of thought with teams that might potentially be interested in McNabb. The first school says we should wait for him to be released and then proceed to attempt and sign him as a free agent. The other school says we have no chance if we have to compete on a level playing field with other teams for his services, ergo we need to attempt and trade for him before he hits free agency.

As long as you have teams in the latter you will have trade value for McNabb but benching him leads other teams to believe that you will release him if all else fails which drives down the asking price towards teams willing to deal. Then again the benching might lead other teams to believe they have a shot at dealing for him in the first place.

Either way I think Sally Jenkins summed it up best in that the benching lets us see not only what we have in our other QB's but also a chance to find out if McNabb is the source of our offensive woe's. Obviously if the offensive starts playing well without McNabb than we know that the QB is at fault for our measly 18.3 points per game.[/quote]

One of the recurring myths in this thread is that Donovan McNabb's trade value was somehow through the roof up to this point. At best we might have been looking at a 4th or 5th round pick if he'd played the season out as our starter. That might even be pushing it.

His decline was apparent to anyone paying attention much earlier than this. In fact, I remember listening to Trent Dilfer on Colin Cowherd's show talking about McNabb having his worst season as a pro. That was before the benching in Detroit. We were never going to cash in on a bucket full of draft picks thanks to McNabb's performance this year, folks.

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Why are we so concerned who starts at QB the next 3 games we are 5-8 and going no where people. Get over it we need to rebuild. McNabb will more than likely will not return next season and we may draft a young QB in the 2011 draft. People cried when JC was here saying he sucked. People cried and said Zorn sucks bring in Shanny and now he is here for 1 season and alot of fans are ready to fire him. Wow thats why you are fans and not football coaches or players. You think you know more about players and football then a NFL coaches please pull your head out of your ass and stop crying. Let Shanny and his staff rebuild this shit show of a team more than 1 season. If you cannot wait then go jump on the Ravens bandwagon. McNabb had been up and down this season due to lack of a running game and O-line. But also when he did have time he forced throws and was very inacturate at times. I'm more pissed that we gave Philly a 2nd and 4th rd pick for a QB who maybe here for just 1 season. I guess we get burned on that trade but if he does not fit the system then cut him lose after 1 year regardless of the draft picks. Let see what Grossman can do in a full game. I know he has had some very bad games in Chicago but damn that was then and this is now. Maybe he may surprise us all and play well but we need to find out. D-Mac was a little better up grade over JC in my mind we should have kept JC and held on to our draft picks, but its to late for that now so suck it up and move on.

I'm in California and I listen to 106.7 fm the fan and all these crying ass fans talking about this and that go get your diaper on if you cannot stomach this mess Shanny has to clean up from years of the coach carousel in DC. This is a business and these players get paid to do a job if they cannot get it done then someone else will. Just ask the Patriots and Eagles about that, their's no loyalty unless your a sure 1st ballot Hall of Famer maybe. It's about what have you done for me lately league. :soapbox:

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[quote=Beemnseven;770135]One of the recurring myths in this thread is that Donovan McNabb's trade value was somehow through the roof up to this point. At best we might have been looking at a 4th or 5th round pick if he'd played the season out as our starter. That might even be pushing it.

His decline was apparent to anyone paying attention much earlier than this. In fact, I remember listening to Trent Dilfer on Colin Cowherd's show talking about McNabb having his worst season as a pro. That was before the benching in Detroit. We were never going to cash in on a bucket full of draft picks thanks to McNabb's performance this year, folks.[/quote]

I think that had his name been anything but Donovan McNabb he'd have been benched a long time ago.

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[quote=GTripp0012;770091]I'll predict that Carolina passes on the opportunity to draft Ryan Mallett, taking instead A.J. Green first overall. Mallett gets drafted by the Bengals at no. 2.[/quote]

Ryan Mallet reminds me of David Klingler.

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[quote=skins89moss;770121]Don't worry about Shanny losing the locker room cause next year it wont be many of the same players coming back.[/quote]

Losing the locker from from a bunch of guys that can't play? lol. I don't care if he's lost the locker room. I just care that he seems to have the communication skills of my toe nail. Gotta show DM some more respect.

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[quote=irish;770140]I think that had his name been anything but Donovan McNabb he'd have been benched a long time ago.[/quote]

I'd agree, I'm sure after the Lions game Shanahan probably wanted to give Grossman a shot. It didn't take him 13 weeks to realize this wasn't working out, he knew this a long time ago.

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Had Rex not been clobbered on the first snap, and did anything remotely positive, this discussion would have happened 6 weeks ago. Maybe Rex really couldn't prove himself in the bye week.

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If Rex proves himself now, i think fans will be even more mad that it took Shanahan 6 weeks to make a QB change that could have resulted in them making the playoffs.

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I wonder what the reaction on this board would have been had this been around when Gibbs used to switch up Schroeder and Williams. Not saying it's the same thing but I'm always curious about that

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[quote=SmootSmack;770169]I wonder what the reaction on this board would have been had this been around when Gibbs used to switch up Schroeder and Williams. Not saying it's the same thing but I'm always curious about that[/quote]

I'm sure there would have been a ton of controversy about that. I would think most would have been on DW's side, classier guy, always seemed to come through in the clutch. But that's easy to say in hindsight.

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[quote=Mattyk;770172]I'm sure there would have been a ton of controversy about that. I would think most would have been on DW's side, classier guy, always seemed to come through in the clutch. But that's easy to say in hindsight.[/quote]

How about benching Williams for Rypien?

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[quote=SmootSmack;770174]How about benching Williams for Rypien?[/quote]

Yeah that would have been a shit storm, especially with how erratic Ryp was before he put it all together