Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

I think today's game should tell us more about where Gruden stands with the players. I thought the team was lifeless in the 1st half against the Colts but they played harder in the 2nd half. If they come out on fire against the Rams, then that would be a very good sign that they support Gruden. If not...

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1097884]Everything i've seen and read says that Gruden is gone at the end of the season. One article said that a "furious" Snyder considered firing Gruden in the days following the RG3 benching, but he was basically talked down by Bruce Allen and other top advisors.

It was made clear that the next Head Coach is not going to have much say / input on personnel decisions, and one of the first issues addressed when they go out and get a new HC is that RG3 is the unquestionable starter.

I kind of wonder who they are going to find. In my opinion as of late people aren't exactly breaking down the door wanting to work for the redskins...[/quote]

That sounds like the drama mama version of the story. I doubt he is gone this year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1097879]It means I don't think he'll make enough of an impression to make it to year 3. I've heard a lot of people say he's got 2 years to prove himself. People with influential power[/quote]

And here lies the problem.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

Another season, another shit storm. We have truly become the Raiders of the NFC.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1097865]If you think Jay Gruden came and cursed some magical franchise, well then you're an idiot

At the same time, Jay was neither the Redskins' first choice, nor were they his. So off the bat, it's been kind of a shaky relationship

I still think he's here one more year. And then he's gone[/quote]

Out of curiosity, who was Gruden's first choice?

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[quote=Chico23231;1097889]And here lies the problem.[/quote]

I don't see that as a problem. He ought to be able to show substantial progress in two years if he's any good.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1097892]I don't see that as a problem. He ought to be able to show substantial progress in two years if he's any good.[/quote]

And then roll in another hc, another philosophy, switch out player personel...no that's not enough time.

This team is in perpetual disfunction with this thinking

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=mredskins;1097886]That sounds like the drama mama version of the story. I doubt he is gone this year.[/quote]

I agree!
Can't trust anonymous sources from Redskins park.
Last week, the big head line was Snyder and Allen gave up on RG3.
Today it's another story.

Realistically, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
RG3 Regressed and Gruden has a shitshow of a team.

We could go into 2016 without either of them.

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[quote=mredskins;1097886]That sounds like the drama mama version of the story. I doubt he is gone this year.[/quote]

His contract is guaranteed so yeah, I doubt Snyder wants to pay him $25M for one season worth of work.

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[quote=Chico23231;1097912]And then roll in another hc, another philosophy, switch out player personel...no that's not enough time.

This team is in perpetual disfunction with this thinking[/quote]

Keep rolling in HC's every two years until he finds the right one is exactly what I think Snyder should do. If he hired the wrong man, the problem must be fixed. More years of the wrong man doesn't fix anything. What will fix it is hiring the right man. I would go no more than two years with any coach who has failed to significantly improve the team during that time. Three more years of misery with a failed HC serves no purpose. I'd rather switch out some player personnel after two years than to endure a poor HC for five years.

We all know that the odds of Snyder hiring the right person are very low but if he keeps trying he might get lucky.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1097916]Keep rolling in HC's every two years until he finds the right one is exactly what I think Snyder should do. If he hired the wrong man, the problem must be fixed. More years of the wrong man doesn't fix anything. What will fix it is hiring the right man. I would go no more than two years with any coach who has failed to significantly improve the team during that time. Three more years of misery with a failed HC serves no purpose. I'd rather switch out some player personnel after two years than to endure a poor HC for five years.

We all know that the odds of Snyder hiring the right person are very low but if he keeps trying he might get lucky.[/quote]

This is a good post - but my Question is - if Snyder absolutely insists that RG3 is the starter (which almost everything i've read seems to confirm), then no Coach is going to be able to win with the guy. How many years do we suck with RG3 before Snyder finally admits the whole trade was a bad idea? Somebody somewhere on here said we have to give him 8 years. That is wayy to long IMO - i see 8 years of losing seasons...

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1097916]Keep rolling in HC's every two years until he finds the right one is exactly what I think Snyder should do. If he hired the wrong man, the problem must be fixed. More years of the wrong man doesn't fix anything. What will fix it is hiring the right man. I would go no more than two years with any coach who has failed to significantly improve the team during that time. Three more years of misery with a failed HC serves no purpose. I'd rather switch out some player personnel after two years than to endure a poor HC for five years.

We all know that the odds of Snyder hiring the right person are very low but if he keeps trying he might get lucky.[/quote]

Disagree especially based on the fact this is a rookie hc. But, as I said before, this organization is going nowhere until things are fixed in the front office

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1097916]Keep rolling in HC's every two years until he finds the right one is exactly what I think Snyder should do. If he hired the wrong man, the problem must be fixed. More years of the wrong man doesn't fix anything. What will fix it is hiring the right man. I would go no more than two years with any coach who has failed to significantly improve the team during that time. Three more years of misery with a failed HC serves no purpose. I'd rather switch out some player personnel after two years than to endure a poor HC for five years.

We all know that the odds of Snyder hiring the right person are very low but if he keeps trying he might get lucky.[/quote]

Nicely done.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[QUOTE]"It's a miserable position to be in," Gruden told reporters this week. He said that he needs to call better plays, but added that the players need to execute the plays that are called.
"They've got to go out and make some plays. We need leaders to stand up," he said.
When mistakes become so widespread, the coaching staff usually gets the blame. Many observers think Gruden, who took over a 3-13 team and faced a stiff learning curve in his first season as an NFL head coach, probably gets a mulligan.
But for his part, Gruden told the Washington Times: "I feel like I’ve failed, in a lot of different ways."
“When you have a lot of penalties, when you have a lot of turnovers, a lack of production in key situations — I think that’s a reflection of coaching, and I’m miserable in that regard," he said in the Times interview published Thursday.


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With comments like that he is trying to get fired and he has to get fired. That's not refreshing or reassuring shit he is spewing. I told you guy this mother fcker wasn't up to the task.

Re: The everything Gruden thread
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1097916]Keep rolling in HC's every two years until he finds the right one is exactly what I think Snyder should do. If he hired the wrong man, the problem must be fixed. More years of the wrong man doesn't fix anything. What will fix it is hiring the right man. I would go no more than two years with any coach who has failed to significantly improve the team during that time. Three more years of misery with a failed HC serves no purpose. I'd rather switch out some player personnel after two years than to endure a poor HC for five years.

We all know that the odds of Snyder hiring the right person are very low but if he keeps trying he might get lucky.[/quote]

Assuming you bring in coaches who have a different philosophy, how long does it take to effectively switch out player personnel?

By switching out so frequently would we be scrambling for offseason signings and settling for less than ideal free agents?

Would our cap be all screwed up in a couple of years switching if we switch back and forth?

Would we have any consistency (like the damn Cowboys) through the draft?
Can our FO switch out personnel effectively in two years?