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Dock's permanent replacement?

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Chad Rhinehart is a good pick. Might have been able to do better, but at least they are trying to address needs.

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Nice depth pick, versitile guy.

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We needed a guard for sure.

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where does he rank?

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We're still ignoring the defense and that is a huge mistake!

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its not a WR...so I'll take it...hahahah

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Could we have gotten him in the 4th and used this on one of the higher rated tackles or DL?

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Hopefully we make a great defensive pick in the fourth round.

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ESPN's draft tracker shows us with two 4th's. Where did we get the second one from?

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[quote=GTripp0012;444235]Maybe he does have family issues. Perhaps he is worried about injuries. Maybe from a life standpoint, it made total sense to go pro because he needed the money more than he needed to improve his game.

Again, is that the kind of guy we should be looking to add?[/quote]

I don't think you can ever fault these guys for trying to cash in. They're one injury away from that dream going down the drain. I don't see where this should be a concern at all.

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I think we traded back?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;444249]ESPN's draft tracker shows us with two 4th's. Where did we get the second one from?[/quote]

link please?

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Analysis
Positives: Has a tall frame with good overall body thickness, especially in his legs...Has room to add additional bulk, but it could affect his overall quickness...Has good arm length and very good straight-line quickness and explosion for his size...Durable athlete with the ability to play through pain...Has very good balance on the move and takes good angles in pursuit of second-level defenders, evident by his high amount of downfield blocks every year...Shows good body control and adequate change-of-direction agility...Could shift inside to guard at the next level because of his trap-blocking skills and his ability to pick up stunts and blitzes when working in-line...All-out battler with a solid work ethic, showing a good mental grasp of the game, quickly taking plays from the chalkboard to the playing field...Hard worker in the weight room and does a nice job of using that power to deliver a jarring hand punch...Shows the explosion off the snap to easily seal the corner and has a "take no prisoners" approach taking on defenders, as he plays until the whistle and will not hesitate to punish him man...Respected team leader who will not hesitate to get vocal when a teammate fails to perform to standards...Must improve his knee bend, but backpedals quickly in pass protection, taking full advantage of his big chest, powerful arms, wide hips and thick thighs to easily wall off the defender...Has adequate quickness off the snap, showing the balance to keep his feet in attempts to gain position blocking in-line...Classic mauler who has the hand pop to shock and surprise a defender, doing a nice job of getting under the opponents' jerseys to sustain...When he keeps his pads down, he generates the explosion needed to create and maintain the rush lanes and has the ability to execute good angles to stalk and neutralize second-level defenders (eight downfield blocks in five 2007 games and 15 more in 11 game in '06)...With his strength, hand punch, body control and ability to square up, he is very effective at getting out in front on pulls and traps...Does a nice job of getting position to wall off the blitzers and displays very good balance and anchor taking on the bull rush...Very active going after other defenders after the initial block...Will deliver the crunching hand punch to keep defenders on their heels and is a very focused drive blocker who simply knocks over defenders with true aggression...Generates movement, firing low to take the defender off his feet...Knows how to extend his arms and take proper blocking angles to prevent the bull rush.



Negatives: Has good explosion coming off the snap, but might be a better fit to play inside at guard, as he is a bit of a waist-bender and struggles at times to move laterally, but does compensate with a strong hand punch and ability to maintain his anchor...Has a very powerful hand punch, but must do a better job extending to make reach blocks and keeping placement longer in attempts to sustain...Has the explosion to get back and take on edge rushers, but lacks the speed to recover when beaten off the snap...Might not have the flexibility to play tackle at the next level, but he shows the strength to leverage and create movement, along with holding the crease for the running game when redirecting inside (traits needed for an offensive guard).



Compares To...LOGAN MANKINS-New England...Like Mankins, Rinehart is a collegiate tackle who might have a quicker route to a starting job at the professional level with a potential shift to offensive guard. He is a punishing trap blocker with good explosion getting out in front when pulling. He uses his strength well to sustain and widen rush lanes, but must work on bending more at the knees than at the waist. He has a hand punch that will shock and jolt an opponent, showing improvement placing those hands as a senior than he did in the past. In isolated coverage, he will dominate a smaller opponent. With his body control and ability to square up and wall off second level defenders, he could bring immediate value with a possible shift in-line.


Injury Report
2004: Sat out the Youngstown State (10/16), Western Illinois (10/23) and Southwest Missouri State (10/30) games after undergoing a laparoscopic appendectomy (10/21).

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;444249]ESPN's draft tracker shows us with two 4th's. Where did we get the second one from?[/QUOTE]

Wait. I'm wrong. So sorry.

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We picked up a fifth from Tennessee.

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wow nice comparison logan mankins hope it is

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Chad is one big boy at 6'5" and 320 lbs. He sounds pretty versatile too.

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Did we deal our fourth rounder to Tennessee?

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looks like we traded down from the 4th rounder to get a lower 4th and a low 5th

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Si Compares Him To Columbo Of Dallas

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[quote=JoeRedskin;444247]Could we have gotten him in the 4th and used this on one of the higher rated tackles or DL?[/quote]

Higher rated by who? They've put together their draft board. If every team just cribbed off Kiper and McShay then they wouldn't need to spend any money on scouting.

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We had the 4th pick in the 4th round, now the Titans have it.

I assume we traded it to them.

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[quote=Joe Ribbs BBQ;444244]where does he rank?[/quote]

[B][URL="http://mvn.com/nfl-draft/2008/02/18/scouting-report-chad-rinehart-ot-northern-iowa/"]Scouting Report: Chad Rinehart, OT, Northern Iowa[/URL][/B]

By [URL="http://mvn.com/nfl-draft/author/staff.report"]Staff Report[/URL] | February 18th, 2008





[URL="http://mvn.com/nfl-draft/category/players/chad-rinehart"]Chad Rinehart[/URL] is a Division I-AA player and maybe one of the best at his position. The senior from Northern Iowa had as many scouts at his playoffs games, if not more, than anyone else at his position has had to see them. He is the real deal and he will be playing in the fall on Sunday. He uses angles as well as anyone in the draft. He knows the defenses and can feel the pressure coming from blitzes.
[I]Scouting Report[/I]
[B]Pros:[/B] He has been a team leader, making sure his job and everyone else’s is getting done.
[B]Cons:[/B] The competition is not the same as he will see now; that can make some teams leery.
[B]Overall:[/B] I see his name being called in the last round of the first day or the first of the second day.

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[QUOTE=skinsqc;444261]Si Compares Him To Columbo Of Dallas[/QUOTE]

Which is a good thing because Columbo isn't bad. We don't need a starter though, but w/ all the injuries and the aging line we certainly need the depth. Good pick.

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on nfl.com it has us with the 4th pick in the 4th round, what did we trade with the titans?

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker"]NFL Events: Draft Tracker[/URL]

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WASH traded its 4th round pick to TEN for TEN's 4th and 5th rounders.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;444268]on nfl.com it has us with the 4th pick in the 4th round

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/tracker"]NFL Events: Draft Tracker[/URL][/quote]


The Skins traded there 4th round pick to the titans for their 4th and 5th rounders, I believe. So that would mean one extra pick today instead of 6, we now have 7 picks on day two.

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[quote=GTripp0012;444235]Maybe he does have family issues. Perhaps he is worried about injuries. Maybe from a life standpoint, it made total sense to go pro because he needed the money more than he needed to improve his game.

Again, is that the kind of guy we should be looking to add?[/quote]

No. But then again a lot of guys leave early. Honestly I would've taken Manningham or Sweed cause of the production over a period of time.

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Thats awesome. Well they better pick for need and not value at this point. I'll take a safety or corner, but c'mon let go with DE!

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Trade details as per JLC:

Skins send the 103rd pick to Tennessee for the 124th and 157th picks.

Skins did not previously have a 5th round pick, so now they get one. Guessing they may target a a QB there, now that they have that pick. Gotta think they look DL with the 4th round pick and there's some good ones still on the board.

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1st: Agreed as to the "higher rated by who" comment. This guy looks versatile and appears to have a great attitude. His flaws seem mainly in technique but: a) those can be cured under Buges; and b) he seems to have the personality that wants to improve.

2nd: Good move on picking up the extra 5th.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;444273]No. But then again a lot of guys leave early. Honestly I would've taken Manningham or Sweed cause of the production over a period of time.[/QUOTE]

I might have taken Sweed with one of our 2nd round picks, but I wouldn't have touched Manningham.

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what about safety Steltz from LSU to reuinite with Landry would that be good with the next pick?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;444281]I might have taken Sweed with one of our 2nd round picks, but I wouldn't have touched Manningham.[/quote]

You can't ignore his production. Yeah he's got some issues but what 21 year old doesn't?

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We pick @ 124, 157, 186, 228, 242, and 249

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I think it's pretty clear at this point, this is a depth & development draft. I would suggest that none of the guys chosen so far are being [I]expected[/I] to start this year. If they do, great! If not, that's the plan. Maybe one of the receivers pushes for the 2/3 slot and Davis [I]is[/I] the second TE. Now we pick a developmental DL guy and 3rd string QB in 4 & 5. In the 6th, 7th we get more depth along both lines.

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Day 2 draft coverage:

Ok, does anyone else have a problem with the way ESPN and NFLN cover day 2? All they do basically is analyze day 1 and inteview GMs, coaches, and players. Why does day 2 take a back seat to day 1? I'd love to see them cover day 2 more like they cover day 1. Let's hear some analysis of each pick and see some highlights.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;444286]I think it's pretty clear at this point, this is a depth & development draft. I would suggest that none of the guys chosen so far are being [I]expected[/I] to start this year. If they do, great! If not, that's the plan. Maybe one of the receivers pushes for the 2/3 slot and Davis [I]is[/I] the second TE. Now we pick a developmental DL guy and 3rd string QB in 4 & 5. In the 6th, 7th we get more depth along both lines.[/quote]

Thomas and Kelly might not start but I expect they will both play significant roles in multiple WR sets.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;444166]Are you serious? You don't disagree that Moss is at best an average wide receiver? Did you watch any games last year after he got back to being healthy? Bears, Giants, Vikings, Cowboys? I'm glad fans don't evaluate talent for this team at any level other than internet posts.[/quote]
I guess I should clarify my post. Moss is below average for a #1, above average as an overall WR in the NFL. A four game stretch doesn't make a season. If he's going to be injured or "slowed by injury" for 12 games how does that help us.

Moss was 18th in YDs, 20th in receptions, and only had 3 TDs. Very pedestrian for a #1 WR. I do agree with you on one point...I am glad fans (looking through Burgundy and Gold colored glasses) don't evaluate talent for us.