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[quote=Chico23231;1288903]Im not sure. I really didn’t look at there reasons why or don’t know if I would entirely understand it. But like I’ve said I do disagree with the law. As I disagree with New York and the attempt here in VA. But I do know roe vs wade still stands[/quote]

their...

It stands but not in Texas. Let's not forget they also are free to carry guns anywhere, this is not going to end well. All Texians are now Bounty hunters.

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There are an awful lot of men arguing on what Women should do with their own bodies ,that's BS.

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[quote=Giantone;1288907]There are an awful lot of men arguing on what Women should do with their own bodies ,that's BS.[/quote]

G1 this is ridiculous.

Side note, yesterday I realized what I’m getting my girl for Christmas…a tongue ring. I think it’s a must have accessory for women these days.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1288910]G1 this is ridiculous.

Side note, yesterday I realized what I’m getting my girl for Christmas…a tongue ring. I think it’s a must have accessory for women these days.[/QUOTE]


I hate to agree with you in any political thread but….. [emoji104] [emoji183] = exception

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1288907]There are an awful lot of men arguing on what Women should do with their own bodies ,that's BS.[/QUOTE]Who speaks for all the males that have been aborted over the past 50 years?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1288912]Who speaks for all the males that have been aborted over the past 50 years?

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Let the women control their own bodies.

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[quote=Chico23231;1288910]G1 this is ridiculous.

Side note, yesterday I realized what I’m getting my girl for Christmas…a tongue ring. I think it’s a must have accessory for women these days.[/quote]


Most of your response's are.

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Most 12 step groups have a tradition that says something like "each group is autonomous except where decisions affect the whole"

Society does that with several laws on the books. An 18year old adult cannot legally smoke tobacco, where is that person's right to choose? A person cannot legally snort cocaine. Why not? Because society has deemed those behaviors harmful to the maintenance of a well ordered society.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1288915]Let the women control their own bodies.[/QUOTE]Keeping with my last post and this response, can a woman have sex and be paid for it as a business transaction? (prostitution)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1288918]Keeping with my last post and this response, can a woman have sex and be paid for it as a business transaction? (prostitution)

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Yes.

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[quote=Giantone;1288905]??? That's effing crazy , we need about 4 more of her![/quote]

I think he means in the context of her staying on the bench too long - now that SCOTUS is no longer above partisanship we either play the game or get played.

RBG should've retired - she didn't, and they took advantage of her death to flip another seat conservative.

For all the great she did - and she did a lot of great no doubt about it - her legacy with my generation will be overstaying her time on the SC.

Breyer also needs to retire while we have the means to replace him. If we lose the Senate or the House next year we risk another seat flipped in 2024.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1288912]Who speaks for all the males that have been aborted over the past 50 years?

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I'll speak for all the babies I've aborted over the years.

Fuck them kids.

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Shannon Bream is an underrated dime piece. She's no Rachel Maddow, but still hot.

Bonus = FSU alumni

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1288942]Shannon Bream is an underrated dime piece. She's no Rachel Maddow, but still hot.

Bonus = FSU alumni[/quote]

Lol maddow…

Bream is a fuckin smokeshow

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[quote=mooby;1288936]I think he means in the context of her staying on the bench too long - now that SCOTUS is no longer above partisanship we either play the game or get played.

RBG should've retired - she didn't, and they took advantage of her death to flip another seat conservative.

For all the great she did - and she did a lot of great no doubt about it - her legacy with my generation will be overstaying her time on the SC.

Breyer also needs to retire while we have the means to replace him. If we lose the Senate or the House next year we risk another seat flipped in 2024.[/quote]
It's decisions by the Court like this one that will cause Biden to expand it.

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[quote=Giantone;1288950]It's decisions by the Court like this one that will cause Biden to expand it.[/quote]

Biden won't expand the court because he doesn't play hardball - he's a middle of the pack Dem and as he has shown he would rather try to work with conservatives to get shit down than force it down their throats like Pelosi and the infrastructure bill.

That's the difference - conservatives like McConnell and Trump will go to any length to win - including shitting all over precedent - whereas we are still playing nice with the exception of AOC/etc. Trump and McConnell would expand the SCOTUS bench in a new york minute if that was the difference between holding the court for the next 40 years. Biden won't even entertain the idea.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1288912]Who speaks for all the males that have been aborted over the past 50 years?

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I don't know but we shouldn't pretend this law does. We all know how much the Abbott administration values human life and it is not much. Can't keep electricity on in the state when it gets a little cold weather, can't meet basic food needs for the state, wants their citizens to die so their corporate donors can make a buck (Lt. Gov Patrick's exact words not mine). This law has nothing to do with speaking up for the rights of the unborn that is just the scapegoat used to get evangelicals onboard.

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I know Chico likes to hear liberals dump on Dems so here you go buddy.

I look at the situation in New Orleans and I am fuck appalled. No running water, no electricity (so even if you have money in the bank you can't access it), no food. The rich people that could evacuate left food in their house but we know that is off limits their window is more important than your life. So you have a bunch of hungry poor people in the city and the city isn't getting resources to them. So what does the mayor do? Let's put a curfew in place and bring in more police not recourses because we don't care if you need food we are going to arrest at best and beat the shit out of you at worst while you search for food. What an awful mayor. Let the hunger games tribute begin.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1288973]I know Chico likes to hear liberals dump on Dems so here you go buddy.

I look at the situation in New Orleans and I am fuck appalled. No running water, no electricity (so even if you have money in the bank you can't access it), no food. The rich people that could evacuate left food in their house but we know that is off limits their window is more important than your life. So you have a bunch of hungry poor people in the city and the city isn't getting resources to them. So what does the mayor do? Let's put a curfew in place and bring in more police not recourses because we don't care if you need food we are going to arrest at best and beat the shit out of you at worst while you search for food. What an awful mayor. Let the hunger games tribute begin.[/quote]

???

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[quote=Giantone;1288974]???[/quote]

Lol…rekt

Baltimore it’s something to watch, been praying for those folks.

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[quote=mooby;1288959]Biden won't expand the court because he doesn't play hardball - he's a middle of the pack Dem and as he has shown he would rather try to work with conservatives to get shit down than force it down their throats like Pelosi and the infrastructure bill.

That's the difference - conservatives like McConnell and Trump will go to any length to win - including shitting all over precedent - whereas we are still playing nice with the exception of AOC/etc. Trump and McConnell would expand the SCOTUS bench in a new york minute if that was the difference between holding the court for the next 40 years. Biden won't even entertain the idea.[/quote]

Question, is court packing honestly the right thing to do?

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[quote=Chico23231;1289067]Question, is court packing honestly the right thing to do?[/quote]

Republicans made the Court a political football when turtle man wouldn't confirm/hearing Obamas nominee and with their recent refusal to kill the Texas abortion BS it might be the only way.

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Since when does either side care about the "right thing" to do lol. It's all about grabbing power when the opportunity presents itself. Pack the fucking court.

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[quote=MTK;1289071]Since when does either side care about the "right thing" to do lol. It's all about grabbing power when the opportunity presents itself. Pack the fucking court.[/quote]


I actually think a lot of people do…and polling suggests with not packing courts, I’m in the majority

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[quote=MTK;1289071]Since when does either side care about the "right thing" to do lol. It's all about grabbing power when the opportunity presents itself. Pack the fucking court.[/quote]

Saying pack the court is the same as saying destroy the court - because packing the court would destroy it. It is so clear to see what would happen if that occurred. Dems add 4 justices - then reverse what was done in previous court session, Republicans then add 4 more to reverse what the previous court did and so on and so on. I mean how can't people who propose packing the court see that? The Government then becomes 2 branches with the President clearly stronger than the legislative - ie eventual end to our democracy.

Packing the court is the worst idea for government reform I've ever seen proposed.

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[quote=nonniey;1289089]Saying pack the court is the same as saying destroy the court - because packing the court would destroy it. It is so clear to see what would happen if that occurred. Dems add 4 justices - then reverse what was done in previous court session, Republicans then add 4 more to reverse what the previous court did and so on and so on. I mean how can't people who propose packing the court see that? The Government then becomes 2 branches with the President clearly stronger than the legislative - ie eventual end to our democracy.

Packing the court is the worst idea for government reform I've ever seen proposed.[/quote]

The number of justices has changed several times throughout history but we've somehow survived.

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[quote=MTK;1289091]The number of justices has changed several times throughout history but we've somehow survived.[/quote]

Further politicizing the SP is the wrong move. Court packing in the past has been a failure

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We've had 9 justices since 1869. Let's not act like it's always been in fluctuation.

If you're just going to pack the court then just get rid of it. Get rid of congress too.

Then just keep importing voters and democrats can have their king forever.

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Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky has made confirming conservative judges his singular focus. In 2018 he described his goal at a gala of the Federalist Society, the four-decades-old legal network that’s become the pipeline for Republican judicial appointees: It’s “to do everything we can, for as long as we can, to transform the federal judiciary, because everything else we do is transitory.”

The previous two Democratic presidents, Bill Clinton and Obama, each left their Republican successors more than 100 openings among the roughly 850 seats on district and appeals courts, because Senate Republicans blocked many of their nominees. The other vacancy Obama famously left was the one that should have gone to his third Supreme Court pick, Merrick Garland, but for McConnell’s brazen blockade in 2016 on grounds that the president elected in November should fill the seat.

McConnell had the Senate continue to confirm judges even after Trump’s defeat in 2020, vowing he’d “leave no vacancy behind.” Not since 1897 had the Senate confirmed a judicial nominee of a defeated president. It confirmed 14 of Trump’s.
The Trump years

Trump’s 226 successful appointments to the trial, appellate, and Supreme courts in a single term will stand as one of his foremost legacies, and all but certainly his most enduring.

When Trump left office, his picks comprised one-third of the Supreme Court, 30% of the 13 circuit courts, and more than one-quarter of the judges presiding over the nation’s 94 district courts. He appointed 54 judges to the circuit courts that are the final word on most appeals—just one less than Obama selected over eight years.

[url]https://time.com/6074707/republicans-courts-congress-mcconnell/[/url]

SCOTUS is pretty much a political branch at this point imo.

You can thank Mitch McConnell.

A few more political stunts like they did with the Texas abortion law and Id say pack it with an absurd 50 justices. Make it the complete farce it is becoming.

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[quote=SunnySide;1289101]Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky has made confirming conservative judges his singular focus. In 2018 he described his goal at a gala of the Federalist Society, the four-decades-old legal network that’s become the pipeline for Republican judicial appointees: It’s “to do everything we can, for as long as we can, to transform the federal judiciary, because everything else we do is transitory.”

The previous two Democratic presidents, Bill Clinton and Obama, each left their Republican successors more than 100 openings among the roughly 850 seats on district and appeals courts, because Senate Republicans blocked many of their nominees. The other vacancy Obama famously left was the one that should have gone to his third Supreme Court pick, Merrick Garland, but for McConnell’s brazen blockade in 2016 on grounds that the president elected in November should fill the seat.

McConnell had the Senate continue to confirm judges even after Trump’s defeat in 2020, vowing he’d “leave no vacancy behind.” Not since 1897 had the Senate confirmed a judicial nominee of a defeated president. It confirmed 14 of Trump’s.
The Trump years

Trump’s 226 successful appointments to the trial, appellate, and Supreme courts in a single term will stand as one of his foremost legacies, and all but certainly his most enduring.

When Trump left office, his picks comprised one-third of the Supreme Court, 30% of the 13 circuit courts, and more than one-quarter of the judges presiding over the nation’s 94 district courts. He appointed 54 judges to the circuit courts that are the final word on most appeals—just one less than Obama selected over eight years.

[url]https://time.com/6074707/republicans-courts-congress-mcconnell/[/url]

SCOTUS is pretty much a political branch at this point imo.

You can thank Mitch McConnell.

A few more political stunts like they did with the Texas abortion law and Id say pack it with an absurd 50 justices. Make it the complete farce it is becoming.[/quote]

I do not agree with McConnell on this or 99% of other issues. The President is the President for 4 years. Not 3 or 3.5 or 3.9. It's a 4 year fucking term.

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I don't get why abortion is the number 1 most important thing to the democratic party as a whole. It really is mind-blowing. Throw the whole system out because 1 state passed a law banning abortions after 6 weeks.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1289104]I don't get why abortion is the number 1 most important thing to the democratic party as a whole. It really is mind-blowing. Throw the whole system out because 1 state passed a law banning abortions after 6 weeks.[/quote]

We dont want religion guiding or playing a part in our government or democracy.

Pretty simple and straight forward. And no, before you start making false arguments like last time .. that doesnt mean you cant be Christian and a politician. It means you cant use the Bible as a source or motivation and that you will follow and uphold US law.

Roe v Wade is established US law. The 5 justices are now playing political games by not issuing an injunction until they can have a full hearing, in which they will have no choice but overturn the Texas law so they are allowing this unconstitutional law to stay in effect as long as possible until they are forced to do their job and affirm Roe v Wade.

If you dont think republicans packing the court to push a christain conservative political agenda .. then having the SCOTUS actually start acting to promote that christain conservative political agenda OVER the established laws of this Country ...

Keep you fucking king james, man written book out of my fucking government.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1289104]I don't get why abortion is the number 1 most important thing to the democratic party as a whole. It really is mind-blowing. Throw the whole system out because 1 state passed a law banning abortions after 6 weeks.[/QUOTE]


I dont get it either, but than again we aren’t women so……..

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1289106]We dont want religion guiding or playing a part in our government or democracy.

Pretty simple and straight forward. And no, before you start making false arguments like last time .. that doesnt mean you cant be Christian and a politician. It means you cant use the Bible as a source or motivation and that you will follow and uphold US law.

Roe v Wade is established US law. The 5 justices are now playing political games by not issuing an injunction until they can have a full hearing, in which they will have no choice but overturn the Texas law so they are allowing this unconstitutional law to stay in effect as long as possible until they are forced to do their job and affirm Roe v Wade.

If you dont think republicans packing the court to push a christain conservative political agenda .. then having the SCOTUS actually start acting to promote that christain conservative political agenda OVER the established laws of this Country ...

Keep you fucking king james, man written book out of my fucking government.[/QUOTE]


Republicans should just be called redcoats. Which is ironic because their most hardcore members pose as a militia. It’s like they are trying to overthrow themselves…..

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[quote=SunnySide;1289106]We dont want religion guiding or playing a part in our government or democracy.

Pretty simple and straight forward. And no, before you start making false arguments like last time .. that doesnt mean you cant be Christian and a politician. It means you cant use the Bible as a source or motivation and that you will follow and uphold US law.

Roe v Wade is established US law. The 5 justices are now playing political games by not issuing an injunction until they can have a full hearing, in which they will have no choice but overturn the Texas law so they are allowing this unconstitutional law to stay in effect as long as possible until they are forced to do their job and affirm Roe v Wade.

If you dont think republicans packing the court to push a christain conservative political agenda .. then having the SCOTUS actually start acting to promote that christain conservative political agenda OVER the established laws of this Country ...

Keep you fucking king james, man written book out of my fucking government.[/quote]

We all get our values from somewhere and are guided by those values. You are basically saying that anyone that gets their values from something you don't approve of, shouldn't have a say in decisions. You can't be a Christian and make decisions that aren't in line with your values (unless you're a phony Iike Pelosi, Biden, etc.). You are stating that they have to, so basically they shouldn't be in politics.

In addition, I'm not against abortion solely because I'm a Christian, which certainly plays a part in it. I'm against it because I believe life begins at inception, and I'm against murder.

Why you think being an atheist gives your values a higher meaning than anyone elses is beyond me.

Your atheism is no less of a religion than my Christianity. Hopefully you find Jesus one day. I'll say a prayer for you today.

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What a hypocrite…silence when New York and others attempt and succeed expand to late term abortion which is murder…big mad when Texas restricts

No surprise

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[quote=Chico23231;1289067]Question, is court packing honestly the right thing to do?[/quote]

It's not, but historically even presidents like GWB knew the importance of maintaining a fair balance on the court so that everyone knew the integrity of the court was above partisan politics.

Trump came along and convinced McConnell/etc. that winning at any cost is more important than maintaining the integrity of the court and now here we are. McConnell shits all over precedent when it comes to SCOTUS - won't even entertain a confirmation hearing for Garland with 8 months to go and then speeds through ACB when RBG dies within a month of the election. Now his super-majority has just shitted all over established precedent in saying the Texas abortion law that encourages private citizens to go prying into other people's lives doesn't damage Roe v Wade.

In our minds - your side is not playing fair. What do you when the other side is not playing fair? You escalate.

The integrity of SCOTUS is already lost imo. Used to be a time when they were above partisan politics - that time is gone.

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[quote=nonniey;1289089]Saying pack the court is the same as saying destroy the court - because packing the court would destroy it. It is so clear to see what would happen if that occurred. Dems add 4 justices - then reverse what was done in previous court session, Republicans then add 4 more to reverse what the previous court did and so on and so on. I mean how can't people who propose packing the court see that? The Government then becomes 2 branches with the President clearly stronger than the legislative - ie eventual end to our democracy.

Packing the court is the worst idea for government reform I've ever seen proposed.[/quote]

The court is already destroyed in our minds. Even if Roberts swings liberal on occasion conservatives have enough votes to enact any policy they desire. Is that a fair representation to the people of America?

We're already looking at a kangaroo court whether you agree or disagree - packing it would only make it official.

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[quote=mooby;1289125]The court is already destroyed in our minds. Even if Roberts swings liberal on occasion conservatives have enough votes to enact any policy they desire. Is that a fair representation to the people of America?

We're already looking at a kangaroo court whether you agree or disagree - packing it would only make it official.[/quote]

“When we had the majority on the court it was fair, now it’s not fair because we don’t”

Let’s change laws because we are authoritarian fascists

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[quote=mooby;1289124]It's not, but historically even presidents like GWB knew the importance of maintaining a fair balance on the court so that everyone knew the integrity of the court was above partisan politics.

Trump came along and convinced McConnell/etc. that winning at any cost is more important than maintaining the integrity of the court and now here we are. McConnell shits all over precedent when it comes to SCOTUS - won't even entertain a confirmation hearing for Garland with 8 months to go and then speeds through ACB when RBG dies within a month of the election. Now his super-majority has just shitted all over established precedent in saying the Texas abortion law that encourages private citizens to go prying into other people's lives doesn't damage Roe v Wade.

In our minds - your side is not playing fair. What do you when the other side is not playing fair? You escalate.

The integrity of SCOTUS is already lost imo. Used to be a time when they were above partisan politics - that time is gone.[/quote]

Glad we agree it’s not.