Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Paintrain;546626]Ask San Diego fans if they waited long enough on Brees. Did we wait long enough on Trent Green? It's been 2.5 years starting, what exactly did you expect? It's called DEVELOPING YOUR PLAYERS. We all cry and whine about wasted draft picks, hell what do you think you're going to get with all of those picks, Pro Bowl ready players every time?

We won 8 games last year and had the defense not crapped away the St. Louis, Cincy and SF games we would have been in the playoffs. It truly amazes me that some of you guys act like Campbell was out there losing games for us left and right.

Seriously, you can't compare all rookie QB to the Falcons or Ravens last year, those were historical anomalies. In both cases, they were game managers supported by a great running game (Atlanta) and a great defense (Baltimore). Please don't be fooled into believing they were the reason they were playoff teams.[/quote]
:woot: Tell it like it is Paintrain! Give em hell!

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Paintrain;546643]Because Colt played in a video game system, played mostly against second rate competition, has poor NFL mechanics, is small and light.... Need I go on?[/quote]

Good Colt summary.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Zerohero;546634][B]People are assuming Sanchez would play the first year, even if he was drafted he wouldn't play[/B]. And how could Sanchez be rated better then Colt, he only played 16 games.[/quote]


How would that help us then???

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;546645]How can you say that if none of them have played a down in the NFL yet???[/quote]

None of the players are a given, but its been proven over the past 40 years that Line positions are less of a risk in the draft. Of course Sanchez could go on to be a great quarterback. We all know if he gos 2nd or 4th or even 13th, its because there werent many QBs available and not because he was considered the best football player available at that spot.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;546630]

Also, someone else made a good point-it was something like: Zorn/Sanchez could go 6-10 in 2009 and everyone could be fine for 2010, but Zorn/Campbell could go 9-7 and everyone (Zorn/Campbell/Cerrato) loses their jobs. Like it or not, the stakes are much higher for Zorn if Campbell is here. [B]Realistically, given the level of patience in the modern NFL (and our owners impatience in particular), anything less than 11-5 or an NFC championship game appearance and we're starting from scratch in 2010.[/B] Given JCs complete lack of natural suitability for this offense, and the other holes we have on this team, do you really think thats a likely outcome?[/quote] I think you are GROSSLY overstating what will be required for year 3 of Zorn/Campbell. No owner, even Snyder, is going to fire a coach with a .500 season and a winning season as their first two seasons. Again, it amazes me the way some of you guys talk, like we're coming off of a 2-14 season or something. We won ONE less game than the previous season, and you could put 3 of them (Rams, Bengals, Niners) squarely on the defense. The funniest, most ironic thing is the lack of patience and foresight you kill the front office of is the justification for mortgaging the future because you're unhappy with consistent progress.


[quote=BHA]I dont. And every opinion I have about the direction this team should go is based on that premise. [b]"Slow, steady improvement" on Campbells part is not going to cut it. Maybe, if he were only entering his 2nd or 3rd year in the league... but not his 5th. Campbell is close to realizing his potential. Theres not that much more room for improvement, atleast not in this system.[/b] My #1 hope is that this team drafts a rookie WCO QB (quick release, good decionsmaker, extremely accurate with short passes) and then keeps the system in place for him atleast 3-4 years. Blame it on whatever and whomever you want, but Campbell is damaged goods and will never become a franchise QB in this system. IMO Its time to cut our losses and move on.[/quote] It's Campbell's 3rd year as a starter. His first year was a wash. He didn't touch the field and that offense was scrapped, how can you count that? He played midway thru his second season, started all of his third and all of his 4th. Why are you in such a hurry to throw dirt on his grave as a QB? The argument of "he's not a fit for the WCO" just doesn't hold water. Completion percentage-up. Yards-up. TD-up. INT-down. What's your criteria for 'not a good fit'?

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;546658]How would that help us then???[/quote]

I probably didn't make myself clear, i think picking Sanchez at 13 is a mistake. I don't want him at all. So if were so concerned bout getting starters out of our first two picks we don't pick up a overhyped backup quarterback.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Zerohero;546659]None of the players are a given, but its been proven over the past 40 years that Line positions are less of a risk in the draft. Of course Sanchez could go on to be a great quarterback. We all know if he gos 2nd or 4th or even 13th, its because there werent many QBs available and not because he was considered the best football player available at that spot.[/quote]


Yes line is a "lesser" risk but just as equal failure (see Robert Gallery) This isn't 83 there's hardly ever "many" QB's available and people were saying that Jay Culter should not have gone as high as he did but once again, Sanchez is not a better situation than Campbell.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Zerohero;546655]And Sanchez played with tremendous talent around him, never was pressured, and threw to wide open receivers. So while im not saying Colt is the greatest, i don't see how sanchez would be viewed that much better. Having a great Proday should not move you up this much in the draft.[/quote]
Trust me, I'm no Sanchez supporter and am sickened we're even considering a QB with all of our other needs but (sorry for using a Cowboys reference fellas) but we're talking Troy Aikman/Steve Walsh here. One is just flat out superior in every way.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Paintrain;546635][B]I'll be the first one to say I'd love for us to be the '99 Rams re-created and sling the ball down the field all day long but that's not who we are.[/B] I love offensive football as does Snyder. Give me the early 80's Chargers over teams like the '85 Bears any day, to watch but not to support. I'd love to put an aerial assault to match our defense but it's not who we are, yet.

Now, you make a good point. Teams that are offensive juggernauts are rarely elite defensively as well. That's where our two sides of the house don't meet. We've done a great job in drafting and developing defensive players pretty consistently since the Norv days but we've always whiffed, most of the time badly, in doing that on offense. Snyder is desperate to turn that around. Like Gibbs was satisfied winning 17-14, I think Snyder would be just as satisfied losing 45-43, as long as it was exciting. I'm really amazed he didn't go after Mike Martz when he hired Zorn just for that reason.

I truly think that while Campbell is never going to be a 35 TD, 4500 yard guy he can develop THIS YEAR into a 22 TD, 3800 yard QB that can lead us to a playoff year. He's improved year to year and good organizations allow that progression to continue rather than stunt it at every opportunity.[/quote]

I know what I will say is beside your main point but this is primarily a Sanchez thread and I want to return to that, using your words.

It should be indicated that one of the knocks against Sanchez is that his accuracy significantly diminishes over 20 yards. He struggles with deep throws. So if what we want is the Greatest Show on Turf, Sanchez is not the guy we want.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Paintrain;546660]I think you are GROSSLY overstating what will be required for year 3 of Zorn/Campbell. No owner, even Snyder, is going to fire a coach with a .500 season and a winning season as their first two seasons. Again, it amazes me the way some of you guys talk, like we're coming off of a 2-14 season or something. We won ONE less game than the previous season, and you could put 3 of them (Rams, Bengals, Niners) squarely on the defense. The funniest, most ironic thing is the lack of patience and foresight you kill the front office of is the justification for mortgaging the future because you're unhappy with consistent progress.


It's Campbell's 3rd year as a starter. His first year was a wash. He didn't touch the field and that offense was scrapped, how can you count that? He played midway thru his second season, started all of his third and all of his 4th. Why are you in such a hurry to throw dirt on his grave as a QB? The argument of "he's not a fit for the WCO" just doesn't hold water. Completion percentage-up. Yards-up. TD-up. INT-down. [B]What's your criteria for 'not a good fit'?[/B][/quote]


Its so obvious, Sanchez went to USC, Campbell didn't lock it up man. Say it with me: CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;546662]Yes line is a "lesser" risk but just as equal failure (see Robert Gallery) This isn't 83 there's hardly ever "many" QB's available and people were saying that Jay Culter should not have gone as high as he did but once again, [B]Sanchez is not a better situation than Campbell.[/B][/quote]

I agree with you 100 percent, im not a fan of JC but i think he can be very successful this year. Only reason i mentioned Colt because Sanchez would be competing with Colt for backup, not JC for starter.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;546620]My apologies guys. My report about Zorn pushing hard for Sanchez turns out to be really misleading. Yes, he's at the forefront of all the meetings with Sanchez but he's not pushing hard for him, not exactly.

I heard the report wrong. Zorn was asked "If not Campbell, then who would you want as your QB?" and that's where is strong interest in Sanchez comes in. Without that first part of the quote it's completely different. Sorry guys, bad reporting on my part there.[/quote]

:doh: Exactly why I want TAFKAS back! Nah man no harm no foul

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Zerohero;546667]I agree with you 100 percent, im not a fan of JC but i think he can be very successful this year. Only reason i mentioned Colt because[B] Sanchez would be competing with Colt for backup[/B], not JC for starter.[/quote]


If that was the case I would throw Danny out of a 3rd story window myself.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

where did TAFKAS go? lol

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

[quote=Dr Do Itch Big;546677]where did TAFKAS go? lol[/quote]


Its a mystery but its an inside joke between Earthquake2689 and Earthquake2689