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[quote=SirClintonPortis;770206]Oh? It's not like Shanahan is flawless.
The entire Cleveland Browns defensive line.
Ron Dayne
The second highest-payroll in NFL history in 2001. (We have the record and the third-highest.


[B]BTW, if Snyder really had a say, Haynesworth would not have been suspended[/B].[/quote]

Nuff said right there.

Not too hard to see that Snyder isn't pulling the strings anymore.

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Also, Shanahan was ACTUALLY penalized for being IN VIOLATION of the salary cap. Us? At least we avoided THAT. 'nuff said

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[quote=Mattyk;769931]After thinking it over for a few hours I'm in the boat of hey why not?

McNabb clearly isn't the answer here for Shanahan, so why not evaluate the other guys?

I heard Kevin Sheehan make a good point and I'm paraphrasing here, doesn't matter if you're a bad guy like AH or a great guy like DM, if you're not getting it done Shanahan is going to move on, and he doesn't care who's feelings he hurts.[/quote]

Matty:

Sounds good - - but if you name is Kyle Shanahan can you stay around even if you "aren't getting it done"...?

Just asking...

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Snyder has nothing to do with player decisions anymore folks chill out

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;770212]Matty:

Sounds good - - but if you name is Kyle Shanahan can you stay around even if you "aren't getting it done"...?

Just asking...[/quote]

If you don't have the talent to execute the plays it doesn't matter what plays are called. KS didn't turn into a bum overnight. He knows what he's doing when it comes to running an offense.

Would you fire him? You think he's a problem?

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No way Shanny is fired an SS do you think the skins would consider trading for cutler?? I hope not but who knows with this team anymore

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[quote=Mattyk;770214]If you don't have the talent to execute the plays it doesn't matter what plays are called. KS didn't turn into a bum overnight. He knows what he's doing when it comes to running an offense.

Would you fire him? You think he's a problem?[/quote]


Absolutely not.

But if you don't have the talent to execute the plays, then how will you be able to "evaluate" your #2 and #2 QBs to see if they can cut it?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;770206]Oh? It's not like Shanahan is flawless.
The entire Cleveland Browns defensive line.
Ron Dayne
The second highest-payroll in NFL history in 2001. (We have the record and the third-highest.


BTW, if Snyder really had a say, Haynesworth would not have been suspended.[/quote]

Don't forget Maurice Clarett.

Just read thru this entire thread... WOW!

Let me pose a few questions here:


1. After reading hundreds of posts here, I doubt that the name Bruce Allen was mentioned a dozen times. If he is the General Manager - - the guy so many folks around here were so happy to see come on board - - and an actual participant in personnel decisions, why hasn't anyone mentioned his name? Might it be that he is no more an actual GM than Francis the Talking Mule? If he really is a General Manager and a "player" in team decisions, then what are his thoughts and what was his role in the handling of the Haynesworth debacle and now the McNabb controversy? :sleep:

My take: Bruce Allen's biggest responsibility is making sure the Gatorade jugs are full on game day... :twocents:

2. In his tenure as the MOFO in Washington, Mike Shanahan has had three "sticky" personnel situations to handle. Which one did he handle with the greatest "aplomb"[INDENT]
[B]A. Joey Galloway [/B]- - took almost 3 mos to realize he can't play anymore and to screw up the courage to jettison him. :confused-

[B]B. Albert Haynesworth [/B]- -that was a goat rope from the first time the two of them sat down together. :nono:

[B]C. Donovan McNabb [/B]- - twice actually, the Detroit benching and the current benching that have been handled so constructively. :censored: [/INDENT]

3. If you were the GM - - a real GM not a pretend GM - - for another NFL team and you wanted McNabb for your team next year, would the events of this week make you want to hurry up and make a pre-emptively high offer to trade for him - - or make you want to low-ball the Skins because you know the probablyity that McNabb is coming back next year is really low? :(


4. Who brings more in trade value now - - Hayneswworth or McNabb? Would either one bring anything more than a conditional 5th round pick? :Flush:


5. If Rex lights it up this week and leads the Skins to a last minute win over the Cowboys by a score of 42-37 by throwing his fifth TD pass of the day in the final seconds, the Shanahans might think he is worth starting next year. Therefore, if the Redskins start Rex Grossman for 14 games next season (don't know if there will be 16 games or 18 games), what is the over/under on victories? My O/U would be 5.5. :doh:


6. Shanahan said that making McNabb the #3 QB starting with the Jax game was because he wanted to see how John Beck handled himself as the #2 QB. On the assumption that the #1 QB is not carried off the field on a gurney, exactly what does the #2 QB do that the #3 QB does not do? Does the #2 QB wear a baseball cap and the #3 QB wears only a visor? :confused:


7. And the biggest question of all:


[B][COLOR="Red"]R You In?[/COLOR][/B]

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^ good post and yes I'm in and always will be for my redskins! I've said since day 1 I trust Ba/Ms to turn this around. Im not happy with the Mcnabb situation but shit happens

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I don't think McNabb's been getting the job done this year. It seems like he throws an awful lot of passes in the ground. However, he's not the total reason for the Redskins' failure. We haven't had a good running game, a good offensive line, a reliable kicker....plus our defense has given up tons of points.

No matter who's to blame, Shanahan's handling of both Haynesworth and McNabb, leaves an enormous amount to be desired.

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[quote=Mattyk;770214]If you don't have the talent to execute the plays it doesn't matter what plays are called. KS didn't turn into a bum overnight. He knows what he's doing when it comes to running an offense.

Would you fire him? You think he's a problem?[/quote]

Totally agree, when KS had talent in Houston his O worked just fine. He doesnt have much talent here so its a wish and a prayer that something he calls will work here.

The coaching staff isnt the problem with the Skins, the players that have never done anything but underachieve and complain are.

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I don't think the Shanahan nepotism argument holds a lot of water. This is the first year of a new system and if KS was not the son of MS, we'd still be giving him more time.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;770221]Just read thru this entire thread... WOW!

Let me pose a few questions here:


1. After reading hundreds of posts here, I doubt that the name Bruce Allen was mentioned a dozen times. If he is the General Manager - - the guy so many folks around here were so happy to see come on board - - and an actual participant in personnel decisions, why hasn't anyone mentioned his name? Might it be that he is no more an actual GM than Francis the Talking Mule? If he really is a General Manager and a "player" in team decisions, then what are his thoughts and what was his role in the handling of the Haynesworth debacle and now the McNabb controversy? :sleep:

My take: Bruce Allen's biggest responsibility is making sure the Gatorade jugs are full on game day... :twocents:

2. In his tenure as the MOFO in Washington, Mike Shanahan has had three "sticky" personnel situations to handle. Which one did he handle with the greatest "aplomb"[INDENT]
[B]A. Joey Galloway [/B]- - took almost 3 mos to realize he can't play anymore and to screw up the courage to jettison him. :confused-

[B]B. Albert Haynesworth [/B]- -that was a goat rope from the first time the two of them sat down together. :nono:

[B]C. Donovan McNabb [/B]- - twice actually, the Detroit benching and the current benching that have been handled so constructively. :censored: [/INDENT]3. If you were the GM - - a real GM not a pretend GM - - for another NFL team and you wanted McNabb for your team next year, would the events of this week make you want to hurry up and make a pre-emptively high offer to trade for him - - or make you want to low-ball the Skins because you know the probablyity that McNabb is coming back next year is really low? :(


4. Who brings more in trade value now - - Hayneswworth or McNabb? Would either one bring anything more than a conditional 5th round pick? :Flush:


5. If Rex lights it up this week and leads the Skins to a last minute win over the Cowboys by a score of 42-37 by throwing his fifth TD pass of the day in the final seconds, the Shanahans might think he is worth starting next year. Therefore, if the Redskins start Rex Grossman for 14 games next season (don't know if there will be 16 games or 18 games), what is the over/under on victories? My O/U would be 5.5. :doh:


6. Shanahan said that making McNabb the #3 QB starting with the Jax game was because he wanted to see how John Beck handled himself as the #2 QB. On the assumption that the #1 QB is not carried off the field on a gurney, exactly what does the #2 QB do that the #3 QB does not do? Does the #2 QB wear a baseball cap and the #3 QB wears only a visor? :confused:


7. And the biggest question of all:


[B][COLOR=Red]R You In?[/COLOR][/B][/quote]

I don't think it was any big secret from the start, Allen is the GM but Shanahan has the final say when it comes to football decisions. MS is also the team president if you recall.

Despite this season there will be a few teams with interest in McNabb. Miami, Minnesota, San Fran, Arizona, etc. Someone could give up a 4th or a 5th.

Someone could give up a 5th or 6th for AH, probably the Titans. Probably some sort of conditional pick based on performance.

Rex could end up the starter next year, but only until a rookie is ready by mid-season or so.

The #2 QB takes snaps in practice with the first team and is probably more directly involved with the game planning. The #3 usually runs the scout team.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;770221]Just read thru this entire thread... WOW!

Let me pose a few questions here:


1. After reading hundreds of posts here, I doubt that the name Bruce Allen was mentioned a dozen times. If he is the General Manager - - the guy so many folks around here were so happy to see come on board - - and an actual participant in personnel decisions, why hasn't anyone mentioned his name? Might it be that he is no more an actual GM than Francis the Talking Mule? If he really is a General Manager and a "player" in team decisions, then what are his thoughts and what was his role in the handling of the Haynesworth debacle and now the McNabb controversy? :sleep:

My take: Bruce Allen's biggest responsibility is making sure the Gatorade jugs are full on game day... :twocents:

2. In his tenure as the MOFO in Washington, Mike Shanahan has had three "sticky" personnel situations to handle. Which one did he handle with the greatest "aplomb"[INDENT][B]A. Joey Galloway [/B]- - took almost 3 mos to realize he can't play anymore and to screw up the courage to jettison him. :confused-

[B]B. Albert Haynesworth [/B]- -that was a goat rope from the first time the two of them sat down together. :nono:

[B]C. Donovan McNabb [/B]- - twice actually, the Detroit benching and the current benching that have been handled so constructively. :censored:
[/INDENT]3. If you were the GM - - a real GM not a pretend GM - - for another NFL team and you wanted McNabb for your team next year, would the events of this week make you want to hurry up and make a pre-emptively high offer to trade for him - - or make you want to low-ball the Skins because you know the probablyity that McNabb is coming back next year is really low? :(


4. Who brings more in trade value now - - Hayneswworth or McNabb? Would either one bring anything more than a conditional 5th round pick? :Flush:


5. If Rex lights it up this week and leads the Skins to a last minute win over the Cowboys by a score of 42-37 by throwing his fifth TD pass of the day in the final seconds, the Shanahans might think he is worth starting next year. Therefore, if the Redskins start Rex Grossman for 14 games next season (don't know if there will be 16 games or 18 games), what is the over/under on victories? My O/U would be 5.5. :doh:


6. [B]Shanahan said that making McNabb the #3 QB starting with the Jax game was because he wanted to see how John Beck handled himself as the #2 QB. On the assumption that the #1 QB is not carried off the field on a gurney, exactly what does the #2 QB do that the #3 QB does not do? Does the #2 QB wear a baseball cap and the #3 QB wears only a visor? :confused:[/B]


7. And the biggest question of all:


[B][COLOR=red]R You In?[/COLOR][/B][/quote]

Is it not just...........mediaspeak for the masses?
Here's my line-up with the QB's this week blah, blah, bla, etc.
Would you be happier if McInt were number #2? If so....why?
I don't get all the "Grassy knoll" conspiratorial analysis?