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Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[quote=30gut;1117380]Cooley's breakdown have an odd defensive take, especially since Cooley's first take was the OL didn't good enough. Now his take seems like Griffin should have moved in the pocket like superman and everything would have been fine.

And that stuff about not using bootlegs vs Lions because of wide 9? Kirk and Colt ran multiple bootlegs.

Thankfully Gruden seems more aware of the pass protection and the gameplan/playcallilng issues with the 1st unit. (hint don't expect a dude Willie Smith that only started 1 game at OT last year to be an adequate fill in for Trent Williams).[/quote]

I'm no RGIII apologist, but people are starting to get ridiculous in their criticisms of his play. There is a major point and a minor point here. The major point is that the line played very poorly in pass protection. They gave Robert no chance on some plays and little chance on some others. The minor point is that on some plays Robert could have bought a little more time if he had moved better in the pocket.

To review:

Major Point: [B]The line sucked![/B]

Minor Point: RGIII could have helped himself a little on some plays.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

It didnt seem like KC and CM had as much O Line issues as RG but they seem to get the ball out faster. It seems to me that RG is lost in the pocket. He has no pocket presence and he seems to struggle with where he should go with the ball. Hopefully this will improve but I'm not betting on it.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

It does seem like that to me as well. It also seems to me that the Offense as a whole plays better....the moment Robert leaves the game.
Robert must.....scutch over a little here, scutch over a little there in the pocket area when some room is available to buy time and.....Try to minimize some of the hits he takes. He stands there like a tree and gets...spanked! SHIT Robert

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

it was the same ol that was blocking for McCoy and cousins..i will give it against some backups..that is why i would love to see Cousins against starters..and RGlll against backups..would that not be more of a real test of where they are at at qb??

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

I will start this comment by saying that I'm not an RG3 apologist, I have very little faith in him and any of the QBs on our team. I also believe that Scot McC is just using these guys to buy time until he can get a QB of his choosing.

For those of you who keep focusing on RG3, here's what a struggling QB looks like behind a good o-line:

[url]https://vine.co/v/eDQHUAOnuXA[/url]

If the team wants to keep RG3 as their starting QB, I think they need to get him better protection than what he had last week. I highly doubt Cousins or McCoy would have been any successful under the same circumstances. And yes, RG3 struggled in the last series with the second team, but I think at this point he would have struggled against a defense made up of all of us given the beating he had taken.

I was also surprised to see McCoy running a read-option play and not RG3. I'm done with this team wanting to make RG3 a pocket QB. I remember last year in the first couple of plays before he got hurt in the Jacksonville game, RG3 looked much better since he was running the read-option and other plays that were a better fit for his skills.

Finally, I don't want to see three straight passing series in the preseason or regular season with any QB. If we're going to win any games, we need to limit the passing game and focus more on the running game period.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

A few days old but good stuff on SM......

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25272176/inside-football-dont-expect-same-soft-redskins-under-new-gm-mccloughan]Inside Football: How Scot McCloughan plans to make the Redskins nasty - CBSSports.com[/url]

The Redskins staff was pretty pleased overall with what it got from Robert Griffin III in the opener at Cleveland. If not for a drop by Pierre Garcon and another instance where a receiver ran the wrong route down the sideline, Griffin would've been 7-for-8 with over 100 yards and a touchdown. He's going to be given a good chunk of the season to show what he can do regardless, and trust me, while RG3 was named the starter, Kirk Cousins, who McCloughan really liked out of college, isn't looking at it as a done deal and he'll push as much as he can.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

I don't blame RG for that concussion at all. The media/league/fans have no idea what theyre talking about. Im at my fantasy draft yesterday with the 21 Taylor on so I get hit with all the RG3 talk. "I heard theyre getting rid of him"... WHY? because he had a concussion behind a struggling OL missing Trent Williams to start? We cant feed into what the media and other fans/teams/ect have to say. They hate RG3 and they hate us. its preseason week 3. IMO RG has looked sharp. It just so happened the twisted "best qb in the league" comments were made, then the injury and everyone LOVED that. don't feed into it fellas use your own two eyes.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[quote=rocnrik;1117394]it was the same ol that was blocking for McCoy and cousins..i will give it against some backups..that is why i would love to see Cousins against starters..and RGlll against backups..would that not be more of a real test of where they are at at qb??[/quote]

cousins is so inconsistent dude. get off the cousins wagon. if RG cant stay healthy and perform we wont be any good. cousins is a career backup mark my words. highly inconsistent. we learned last year vs NYG he doesn't make reads he just slings to the primary of jays playcall dude. so some games he may sling for 400 but hes just dropping and throwing with no read. take a look at that, I almost never see him work thru his progression at all.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1117397]

For those of you who keep focusing on RG3, here's what a struggling QB looks like behind a good o-line:

[url]https://vine.co/v/eDQHUAOnuXA[/url]

.[/quote]

At least Tebow turned and took a very minimal hit instead of #10 who looks like a guy standing on the train tracks trying to commit suicide.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[quote=Buffalo Bob;1117404]At least Tebow turned and took a very minimal hit instead of #10 who looks like a guy standing on the train tracks trying to commit suicide.[/quote]

:lol:

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1117397]I will start this comment by saying that I'm not an RG3 apologist, I have very little faith in him and any of the QBs on our team. I also believe that Scot McC is just using these guys to buy time until he can get a QB of his choosing.

For those of you who keep focusing on RG3, here's what a struggling QB looks like behind a good o-line:

[url]https://vine.co/v/eDQHUAOnuXA[/url]

WOW!

Yeah, I've missed both preseason games, and when I read everyone's comments this is what I pictured. . . then I watched the highlights. He had no protection.

I don't know, maybe some of it his his "fault," but I imagine if this is an area that he needs to improve on, it must be pretty tough to do that when you get lit up every play after 3 seconds.

I'm just hoping our run game can get going early this season and take some pressure off of RG3 so that we stand some chance of getting something out of him.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

Anybody hear M Shanny on Mike n Mike this morning.Took some subtle shots at Gruden and RG3.
He said a coach needs to fit their offense to the talents of the player,something Jay has not been doing with Griff.
On Griff he said dude didnt even have a playbook in college,after getting him in they knew he was going to need some time to develop into a drop back passer,hence the pistol was born.
Then the 2nd yr Griff wanted to be a drop back passer,but Shanny and other coaches thought he wasnt ready for that.And we see how that turned out.

So is Jay not fitting his off to fit Griff because Griff thinks he's a dropback passer? That would help explain why Colt and Cousins are running the pistol and Griff isnt.
Or is Jay just running those plays to give Griff the practice he needs to try and develop? Who knows? Only they know the inside dynamics of whats happening there.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

The conspiracy theory talk is annoying.

Its annoying because it renders real questions about coaching mistakes void. I have no idea what the reasons are for some the decisions or mistakes. But I can see and discuss what is happening on the field, I can see the football results. Furthermore I'm insulted as a fan to hear from Cooley and others create a straw man (maybe unintentional) about the differences in playcalling. I submit that anyone that has been watching the preseasons games and thinks the plays/playcalling was the same is either blind or dishonest. NOW let me be clear observing different plays/playcalling IS NOT THE SAME THING AS SAYING GRUDEN IS RUNNING A DIFFERENT OFFENSE. AND there are logical, plausible reasons for the differences in playcalling BUT there are clear differences. Cooley and McVay are friends and Cooley has admitted that he and Scott talk. Imho its not out of the realm to think Cooley asked Scott about what he thinks happened and of course Scott is gonna defend the coaching. Cooley makes it seems that the pass protection was adequate/normal and that all Griffin had to do was step this way and step that way or made this check. By that logic we don't need to sign Trent all a QB has to do is avoid any pressure that occurs when an OL gets beat at the snap. For that matter I'm not sure why any team even spends money on the OL when your QB is supposed to evade any pressure whenever an OL gets beat. Jokes aside they made a mistake thinking Willie Smith was ready to start and provide adequate protection without help, that was a coaching mistake.

Now more differences in plays/playcalling. Cooley said that you can't bootleg the Lions because of their 43 defense but Colt&Kirk ran multiple bootlegs but with Griffin none? This directly disputes Cooley's claim that you can't boot against the Lions, maybe he forgot but the other QBs did boot. There has also been read-option (and please don't give me the Griffin doesn't want to do it, lest I show youtube video of Griffin less then 8 months removed from knee surgery running read-option in the 2013 season). There has also been formation variation i.e. using spread shotgun on 1st down and running from it etc. Those are distinct, obvious, clear differences in playcalling. And I'm certain there are/were good reasons in the coaches eyes for those differences..e.g. field position, personnel, wanting to work on something specific with different personnel etc. Noticing different playcalling is not the same as claiming Gruden is 'running a different offense' in an attempt to sabotage. That is nothing more then a semantics bait and switch tactic. Sorry had to get that off my chest.

Jay in his most recent press conferences seems to have recognized that yes there were playcalling/coaching, pass protection issues/mistakes with the 1st unit offense. (They might want to start by never, ever, ever thinking that you Willie Smith can just sub-in for Trent without changes to the offense even in preseason). Maybe Jay is just blowing smoke but product on the field matches with his comments.

But, lets address the whole 'sabotage' issue in a larger scope.

Is reluctance or inability on a coaches part to adapt or cater their scheme sabotage or just poor coaching?

Does it look to you like Jay is adapting his scheme?

Also, lets be real for a second. We've heard Jay's comments about Griffin last year? We know from reports and insiders that Jay going back to last training camp didn't believe in/want Griffin to be his QB. We heard that Jay, the HC, lobbied to bench 'his' QB by showing film to the owner.

As far as I can see this preseason has shown a combination of reluctance/inability on the coaching staff to adapt their system to their starter ostensible start QB mixed with poor playing with the 1st unit and one tragic personnel decision (Willie Smith starting at LT).

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

Since Mike S is back trying to re-write history about Griffin and the read-option 2013:

[YT]watch?v=zJHxYM8GDTs[/YT]