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[quote=SFREDSKIN;633020]If Danny gets rid of Vinny the skins job will be very appealing, all they have to do is rebuild the OL. Campbell will be alright with a rebuilt line and they can draft a young QB for the future in the mid rounds. Whoever coaches this team next year will be inheriting lots of up and coming young players, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Mitchell, Orakpo, Jarmon, Horton, Edwin Williams, Rinehart, etc. There's talent on this team, execution and attitude have been the problem.[/quote]

:food-smil We just need a smart coach who isn't afraid to bench players and be smart about it.. I'm disappointed that Barnes isn't in that list, or at least not yet.. Barnes looked like he would be good one; he has nice size but he definitely needs to bulk up to compete in NFL level though.. But he's been invisible ever since..

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;633020]If Danny gets rid of Vinny the skins job will be very appealing, all they have to do is rebuild the OL. Campbell will be alright with a rebuilt line and they can draft a young QB for the future in the mid rounds. Whoever coaches this team next year will be inheriting lots of up and coming young players, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Mitchell, Orakpo, Jarmon, Horton, Edwin Williams, Rinehart, etc. There's talent on this team, execution and attitude have been the problem.[/quote]

Exactly. It's not as complicated as it's made out to be.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;633020]If Danny gets rid of Vinny the skins job will be very appealing, all they have to do is rebuild the OL.[B] Campbell will be alright with a rebuilt line[/B] and they can draft a young QB for the future in the mid rounds. Whoever coaches this team next year will be inheriting lots of up and coming young players, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Mitchell, Orakpo, Jarmon, Horton, Edwin Williams, Rinehart, etc. There's talent on this team, execution and attitude have been the problem.[/quote]

Exactly? No not exactly.

#1) DS is done with JC.
#2) JC is done with the front office.
#3) JC is pretty much a gonner.
#4) Build up the OL all you want but his issues still remain.
a- He can't figure out where to realign his protection.
b- He looks gun shy at this point like Ramsey.
c- He fails to find the open receiver often.
d- He has a slow release.
e- He's not all that accurate on the long ball.
f- He has the same amount of time as other QB's right now 3-7 sec. and still has trouble getting the ball to any one.

Rinehart's good young talent? I thought Buges basically called him a failure, then recanted when he realized we were not bringing any other OL. Rinehart was almost camp fodder.

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Rebuid the 0-line and JC gets better. It really ISN'T complicated. Will he be elite? Probably not. But does anyone think our record wouldn't be much better with a GOOD o-line? Please...

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[quote=SBXVII;633034]Exactly? No not exactly.

#1) DS is done with JC.
#2) JC is done with the front office.
#3) JC is pretty much a gonner.
#4) Build up the OL all you want but his issues still remain.
a- He can't figure out where to realign his protection.
b- He looks gun shy at this point like Ramsey.
c- He fails to find the open receiver often.
d- He has a slow release.
e- He's not all that accurate on the long ball.
f- He has the same amount of time as other QB's right now 3-7 sec. and still has trouble getting the ball to any one.

Rinehart's good young talent? I thought Buges basically called him a failure, then recanted when he realized we were not bringing any other OL. Rinehart was almost camp fodder.[/quote]

And who do you think would be better than Campbell? A rookie? A mediocre FA? Campbell knows the system and hasn't had a healthy consistent OL since he was drafted. If I was DS I would convince him to come back for at least a year. Campbell believe it or not, is these teams best option at QB.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;633037]And who do you think would be better than Campbell? A rookie? A mediocre FA? Campbell knows the system and hasn't had a healthy consistent OL since he was drafted. If I was DS I would convince him to come back for at least a year. Campbell believe it or not, is these teams best option at QB.[/quote]

amen, you could put manning (peyton of course) behind this line and we would be marginally better, JC had a miraculous game against Philly and it was because he was so mobile that he didn't suffer like 8 sacks. The O line was dominated and trent cole made levi jones look like a kid. Plus, Stephon Heyer has no business starting on any offensive line in the league...that guy is a joke

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[quote=SBXVII;633034]Exactly? No not exactly.

#1) DS is done with JC.
#2) JC is done with the front office.
#3) JC is pretty much a gonner.
#4) Build up the OL all you want but his issues still remain.
a- He can't figure out where to realign his protection.
b- He looks gun shy at this point like Ramsey.
c- He fails to find the open receiver often.
d- He has a slow release.
[B]e- He's not all that accurate on the long ball.[/B]
f- He has the same amount of time as other QB's right now 3-7 sec. and still has trouble getting the ball to any one.

Rinehart's good young talent? I thought Buges basically called him a failure, then recanted when he realized we were not bringing any other OL. Rinehart was almost camp fodder.[/quote]

I think you mean, he's not accurate on the long ball [B]at all[/B].

We keep hearing that he's an accurate downfield passer, but he's been whiffing on those left and right.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;633037]And who do you think would be better than Campbell? A rookie? A mediocre FA? [B]Campbell knows the system[/B] and hasn't had a healthy consistent OL since he was drafted. If I was DS I would convince him to come back for at least a year. Campbell believe it or not, is these teams best option at QB.[/quote]

But will the system next year be the same as this year?

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[quote=skinsfan69;633021]I don't give a damn the records. All I care about is can I guy coach or not. Can these guys lead men and get them to play hard. Can they X and O. I think people around the NFL know Weis and Crennel and do both.[/quote]

Just to add. Weren't you talking about bringing in Weis and Crennel (and between the two I'd prefer Weis) as offensive coordinators, not head coach?

Also, Carmichael and Christensen are not more proven than Weis

And I don't think Buges ever called Rinehart a failure.

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What if Gary Kubiak, having been fired by the Texans, is our offensive coordinator next year?

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[quote=53Fan;633036]Rebuid the 0-line and JC gets better. It really ISN'T complicated. Will he be elite? Probably not. But does anyone think our record wouldn't be much better with a GOOD o-line? Please...[/quote]

I 100% agree with you. To me the O-line is the most important thing right now and yes given all day to throw I guess JC would be a better QB.

I guess I should not have thrown so much at everyone at one time....

I doubt JC stays with the Skins. Period.

Next issue. We do need to build up the O-line for whoever is here be it a Rookie or vet from another team.

Next issue. Unless we are keeping Zorn there will be a whole new scheme to learn JC will have no one upsmanship on anyone.

Next issue. Right now JC is being given the same amount of time to get rid of the ball as many other QB's on other teams. The difference is the other teams are making adjustments for the QB to get the ball out throughout the whole game faster to avoid the rush. Other teams QB's seem to be able to move their protection around better in order to avoid the rush.

Next issue. JC is not accurate at all on the long balls.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;633037]And [B]who do you think would be better than Campbell? A rookie? A mediocre FA? [/B]Campbell knows the system and hasn't had a healthy consistent OL since he was drafted. If I was DS I would convince him to come back for at least a year. Campbell believe it or not, is these teams best option at QB.[/quote]

Keep in mind Campbell will be one of those mediocre FA's after this yr. :)

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[quote=Beemnseven;633051]But will the system next year be the same as this year?[/quote]

Atleast some one is thinking with their dip stick. Thank You.

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[quote=SmootSmack;633065][B]Just to add. Weren't you talking about bringing in Weis and Crennel (and between the two I'd prefer Weis) as offensive coordinators, [/B]not head coach?

Also, Carmichael and Christensen are not more proven than Weis

And I don't think Buges ever called Rinehart a failure.[/quote]

Yes they were. Sorry. I just don't see the fascination with Weis after having a bad year at the college level. Crennel has had many jobs and has not been spectacular. If I had to pick as well I guess Weis but I don't like either. Can someone atleast pick a college coach that is having a winning season and maybe has had one for several yrs if we are going to dip into the college ranks again? Preferably one that utilizes a pro style of system.
I don't know who that would be cause I'm not into college so have fun looking into names. I just know when I hear that a man is either fired or resigns at the college level does not give me the warm fuzzy feeling to bringing him in to the Skins.

Carmichael and Christensen may not be more proven but they are currently OCers for winning teams right now that are 10-0 vs. a college coach with a losing record Weis. I'll take the other two over Weis.

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[quote=Lotus;633066]What if Gary Kubiak, having been fired by the Texans, is our offensive coordinator next year?[/quote]

I would die. His offense sucks....which is why he might get fired. Part of the issue might be Shanahan's son which slightly bothers me thinking if dad is hired here son may follow. Hopefully the son has been having his hands tied by Kubiak.