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[quote=FrenchSkin;1165007]I like your point.

But I also think that for the players it's not all about the money.
It's also a very emotional game.
And I can understand the need to feel support from the board, to feel legitimate not only to play your best football, but to be the leader of the team too, to feel that your work is appreciated.

The guy we saw yell "How do you like me now?!" wasn't begging for money, but for support. (Money is a way to show that you believe in somebody though.)

Now is it an excuse for inconsistent play? Absolutely not. But it has to influence the mindset of a player, his level of confidence.

After to great seasons by KC, I can picture how all the noise and uncertainty, pretty much because of one bad game, has to feel pretty unfair and cheap.[/quote]

I agree with this. I know it's easy for us to sit and ask what he's whining about when he's getting paid 20 mil for a season's worth of work, but it will always be looked at differently from those inside the sport. To take less money means you will be hurting the rest of the qb fraternity when their new deals come up. And that's frowned upon. Because when it comes time for your new deal to come up, the baseline starts with the latest previous deals signed. And as the salary cap rises these deals are only going to get larger.

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[quote=mooby;1165019]I agree with this. I know it's easy for us to sit and ask what he's whining about when he's getting paid 20 mil for a season's worth of work, but it will always be looked at differently from those inside the sport. To take less money means you will be hurting the rest of the qb fraternity when their new deals come up. And that's frowned upon. Because when it comes time for your new deal to come up, the baseline starts with the latest previous deals signed. And as the salary cap rises these deals are only going to get larger.[/quote]

Nobody wrote anything in this thread about Kirk taking less money before you posted.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1165020]Nobody wrote anything in this thread about Kirk taking less money before you posted.[/quote]

What does that have anything to do with anything? Are we not allowed to discuss it? I get it, you think Kirk is a whiny bitch for possibly even considering the excuse that he played poorly against the Giants because of the pressure of the upcoming negotiations. My point is, his agent probably won't even consider taking less money because the qb frat in the NFL demands he get market value. It's possible for two separate points to exist about the same discussion. If you don't like hearing about it, ignore it, like I do with your posts.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1165017]I didn't blame Cousins inability to relax and play at his best on the lack of a long-term contract. He did.

I'll grant you that he may be upset that he doesn't have the full support of management by now.

I hate whining by anybody, especially multi-millionaires. So, whatever his reasons for being upset he can keep it to himself, as far as I'm concerned. It's business. He's holding all the cards and he doesn't even seem to know it. He should be thinking "If Snyder doesn't want me, then f*** him! I'll go elsewhere, make just as much money, and light up the little bastard's team whenever I play them." That's how grown men handle business matters.[/quote]

I agree with you on the part that he's not in a position where anyone should feel sorry for him.

But I think you are missing part of my point: the emotions a man may feel when he's been working his ass off for several years with people he saw every day, he gets the feeling they are starting to build something great together, and then these people he shared emotional moments with for years seem to not believe in him that much, while he has been among those making their part and more than that.

That has to be frustrating.
Again, it's not all about the money he could make here or elsewhere, I think he felt he was part of an adventure here and would like to see the other members of the adventure believe it should continue together.

Now should he keep his emotions to himself? Absolutely, but I don't think he expressed anything else than the desire to stay here long term. Which I'm fine with.

Anyway we wouldn't be having this discussion had the board done what they should have done weeks ago.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1165029]I think you are missing part of my point: the emotions a man may feel when he's been working his ass off for several years with people he saw every day, he gets the feeling they are starting to build something great together, and then these people he shared emotional moments with for years seem to not believe in him that much, while he has been among those making their part and more than that.[/quote]

The only way he's going to know if he's wanted is for him and his agent to meet with Dan Snyder and ask Snyder point blank. If the answer is yes, then they should establish a deadline to get a long-term deal done. If an acceptable deal is not completed by that date, they should ask for a trade and then announce to the public that they have asked for a trade. If Dan Snyder wants to tag him again after all that, then they should take the guaranteed $24M on the tag, laugh all the way to the bank, and then go to another team in 2018.

I don't think that Kirk and his agent are being aggressive enough with Dan Snyder. They have the best hand but they're not playing it as if they do.

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I would love to know if DS is even involved at that level. If he is, then we are not as far away from the DS-VC team as I thought. Yes Dan as the owner will be involved in these type numbers, but I don't think he should be meeting or dealing with the agents at all.

I do agree that KC's agent should be more aggressive, but maybe it's all back channel. At this point they have to be talking - right? Right??

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Remember what Shanny said..."QB is the only position Dan cares about."

You better believe folks in the front office are getting his input every step of the negotiations.

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[quote=mooby;1165026]What does that have anything to do with anything? Are we not allowed to discuss it? I get it, you think Kirk is a whiny bitch for possibly even considering the excuse that he played poorly against the Giants because of the pressure of the upcoming negotiations. My point is, his agent probably won't even consider taking less money because the qb frat in the NFL demands he get market value. It's possible for two separate points to exist about the same discussion. If you don't like hearing about it, ignore it, like I do with your posts.[/quote]

if that is true, what is he going to do under the pressure of an nfc championship game? . . . or superbowl? . . . thats a hell of a lot more pressure than his contract negotiations or whining about whether or not his management wants him . . . i call bull shit on that thinking . . . and if i'm wrong, then i don't want kirk here as that means he can't perform under pressure or scrutiny

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1165048]if that is true, what is he going to do under the pressure of an nfc championship game? . . . or superbowl? . . . thats a hell of a lot more pressure than his contract negotiations or whining about whether or not his management wants him . . . i call bull shit on that thinking . . . and if i'm wrong, then i don't want kirk here as that means he can't perform under pressure or scrutiny[/quote]

How many comeback wins did he have when he took over from RG3? ...

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1165048]if that is true, what is he going to do under the pressure of an nfc championship game? . . . or superbowl? . . . thats a hell of a lot more pressure than his contract negotiations or whining about whether or not his management wants him . . . i call bull shit on that thinking . . . and if i'm wrong, then i don't want kirk here as that means he can't perform under pressure or scrutiny[/quote]

You willing to wait an eternity to find the 4-5 guys available in the world right now that can handle championship-winning pressure? Regardless of your argument Kirk represents the best solution at this current time.

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[quote=mooby;1165058]You willing to wait an eternity to find the 4-5 guys available in the world right now that can handle championship-winning pressure? Regardless of your argument Kirk represents the best solution at this current time.[/quote]

I'm sure KC can handle that kind of pressure, he did when he took over, in 2015 how do you call that 7-3 record after the bye, with a 4 wins streak at the end of the season to get us to the playoffs? In your first season as a starter, I call that handling the pressure pretty well...

One bad game doesn't speak about your ability to handle the pressure through your whole career... Even Aaron Rodgers f'd up in some big games...

Cooley said the other day there was another QB, who people told, at the beginning of his career, that he couldn't win the big games, couldn't handle the pressure... his name is Peyton Manning.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1165065]I'm sure KC can handle that kind of pressure, he did when he took over, in 2015 how do you call that 7-3 record after the bye, with a 4 wins streak at the end of the season to get us to the playoffs? In your first season as a starter, I call that handling the pressure pretty well...

One bad game doesn't speak about your ability to handle the pressure through your whole career... Even Aaron Rodgers f'd up in some big games...

Cooley said the other day there was another QB, who people told, at the beginning of his career, that he couldn't win the big games, couldn't handle the pressure... his name is Peyton Manning.[/quote]

Great post. Aaron Rodgers at times this past season looked "done".

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[quote=mooby;1165058]You willing to wait an eternity to find the 4-5 guys available in the world right now that can handle championship-winning pressure? Regardless of your argument Kirk represents the best solution at this current time.[/quote]

isn't that the whole goal? i certainly would rather wait than sit in mediocrity . . . if he can't handle the pressure (and I didn't say he couldn't, just IF), then hell no, i want to win a championship . . . i was rooting in the 80's and remember 3 championships very clearly (well the first not as much), we certainly didn't have issues finding players that played up to the moment then.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1165072]isn't that the whole goal? i certainly would rather wait than sit in mediocrity . . . if he can't handle the pressure (and I didn't say he couldn't, just IF), then hell no, i want to win a championship . . . i was rooting in the 80's and remember 3 championships very clearly (well the first not as much), we certainly didn't have issues finding players that played up to the moment then.[/quote]

The Ravens won a SB with Joe Flacco. Hell, the niners almost won with Colin freakin' Kaepernick! Isn't KC way better than the second and at the very least slightly better than the first ?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1165075]The Ravens won a SB with Joe Flacco. Hell, the niners almost won with Colin freakin' Kaepernick! Isn't KC way better than the second and at the very least slightly better than the first ?[/quote]

Flacco has been stellar in the playoffs . . . and his playoff play is why he has a huge contract . . . again, i'm not the one saying he folds under pressure . . . but if he can't handle the pressure of a contract negotiation in which he makes a MINIMUM of 24 million for a year, then no way he handles the pressure of a game like a conference championship or super bowl . . . i personally don't think his lack of contract had anything to do whatsoever with his play in the last game, he just had a shitty game like he has at times over his career . . . everyone has them, hell Brady had a horrible game going in the superbowl this year until the 4th quarter.