Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

So just a pleasant reminder folks, tomorrow (February 15th) is the first day that teams can designate tags on their players. I doubt we'll hear anything out of the 'skins until the March 1st deadline, but things should start heating up after tomorrow.

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

Franchise him this year, transition tag him next year.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1165072]isn't that the whole goal? i certainly would rather wait than sit in mediocrity . . . if he can't handle the pressure (and I didn't say he couldn't, just IF), then hell no, i want to win a championship . . . i was rooting in the 80's and remember 3 championships very clearly (well the first not as much), we certainly didn't have issues finding players that played up to the moment then.[/quote]

Go ask the Cards, the Lions, and the Browns if waiting for the right qb is working out for them. I think you are forgetting football is a team sport, you can win a SB with a great team and a decent qb. We don't need Kirk to be the next Brady, which it seems is what you're asking for. You're also forgetting that those teams in the 80's played in a very different NFL than today. The rules today are geared towards higher scoring offenses which demand at minimum above-average qb play. Kirk has shown he can do that. Quit trying to blame the entire Giants game on him, the entire team looked bad that day.

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[quote=mooby;1165103]Go ask the Cards, the Lions, and the Browns if waiting for the right qb is working out for them. I think you are forgetting football is a team sport, you can win a SB with a great team and a decent qb. We don't need Kirk to be the next Brady, which it seems is what you're asking for. You're also forgetting that those teams in the 80's played in a very different NFL than today. The rules today are geared towards higher scoring offenses which demand at minimum above-average qb play. Kirk has shown he can do that. Quit trying to blame the entire Giants game on him,[B] the entire team looked bad that day[/B].[/quote]

Yop. Especially on offense. IIRC Defense did pretty much everything we could expect out of them at that point to put the offense in position to win. Even Trent Williams had an horrible game...

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=Evilgrin;1165102]Franchise him this year, transition tag him next year.[/quote]

Heard that possibility talked about by Cooley and Kevin. I think that's an argument for the team's board to say "take this offer or we have that option and are ready to use it".
But I don't see how that's a great idea, we'd end up paying him in 3 years the same amount of guaranteed money he'd be asking for 6 years...

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[quote=Evilgrin;1165102]Franchise him this year, transition tag him next year.[/quote]

That would be terrible cap management. You would have given him in effect a 3 year guaranteed of 67-70Million. If you plan to do that, write up a 75Mill guarantee 6yr deal net 145M and be done with it for the next 6 years.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1165112]That would be terrible cap management. You would have given him in effect a 3 year guaranteed of 67-70Million. If you plan to do that, write up a 75Mill guarantee 6yr deal net 145M and be done with it for the next 6 years.[/quote]

It would hurt the team-building process, as well. The situation here would hardly be encouraging to free agents with a Head Coach in the final year of his contract, a GM on the hot seat, and the starting QB on his second franchise tag deal.

No sense going into it too much. I think most of us would agree that the idea of tagging Kirk twice more is pretty much idiotic. Worse, it portends a descent into Dumb and Dumber II, with Smithers in the role of Vinny.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1165103]Go ask the Cards, the Lions, and the Browns if waiting for the right qb is working out for them. I think you are forgetting football is a team sport, you can win a SB with a great team and a decent qb. We don't need Kirk to be the next Brady, which it seems is what you're asking for. You're also forgetting that those teams in the 80's played in a very different NFL than today. The rules today are geared towards higher scoring offenses which demand at minimum above-average qb play. Kirk has shown he can do that. Quit trying to blame the entire Giants game on him, the entire team looked bad that day.[/QUOTE]



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Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

To be fair the defense gave up 12 points in the giants game.

The offense let us down big time as a whole. Without that fumble return at the end to give them 19, two touchdowns out of our offense would have won the game

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1165132]To be fair the defense gave up 12 points in the giants game.

The offense let us down big time as a whole. Without that fumble return at the end to give them 19, two touchdowns out of our offense would have won the game[/quote]

That lost was squarely on the offense. I agree.

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[quote=mredskins;1165143]That lost was squarely on the offense. I agree.[/quote]

Which is why they immediately fired the DC.

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

[quote=mooby;1165103]Go ask the Cards, the Lions, and the Browns if waiting for the right qb is working out for them. I think you are forgetting football is a team sport, you can win a SB with a great team and a decent qb. We don't need Kirk to be the next Brady, which it seems is what you're asking for. You're also forgetting that those teams in the 80's played in a very different NFL than today. The rules today are geared towards higher scoring offenses which demand at minimum above-average qb play. Kirk has shown he can do that. Quit trying to blame the entire Giants game on him, the entire team looked bad that day.[/quote]

Lions? They seem to have a pretty solid quarterback in Mathew Stafford.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1165152]Which is why they immediately fired the DC.[/quote]

I am talking about THAT loss. Barry was fired for his performance for the entire season.

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[quote=metalskins;1165158]Lions? They seem to have a pretty solid quarterback in Mathew Stafford.[/quote]

I think he meant Bills, Jets, Rams.....IDK

Re: Kirk Cousins 365 thread
 

My thinking right now is that we will non-exclusive franchise tag Cousins this year because we can likely match the majority of offers that are signed for him and take the value if we decide not to match.

If we lose Kirk, it will be to the... Browns.

Everyone is thinking that SF because of Kyle tie in, but I believe it will be the Browns who will sign that offer sheet because they have the ammo and the reasoning.

They can trade the 1st overall pick and still pick in the first round at 12. The also have multiple 2nd round picks and the most cap space. If they want to do an outright trade they have the ammunition to make that happen.

Last year the Browns racked up multiple picks in this draft and if they don't make the right decisions this year that management will be fired.