Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1151623]"He can't beat a winning team" remember matt? So now it's the "he is lucky to win those games " at the end of the season he'll have 4500 yards 28 tds or so and 12 ints.. 65% percentage. He's going to be fine.[/QUOTE]



Agreed. And Those numbers are so much better than fine. Lol.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=MTK;1151641]To me backbreakers usually end up with losses, not 3 game streaks with 2 road wins. [B][I] His pick yesterday was as harmless as they get because of the fumble.[/I][/B][/quote]

OMG really? Being up by 40 points and throwing that pick is harmless,just because dude fumbled doesnt make it harmless.And the wind had nothing to do with it,it looked like he threw it into triple coverage.
The only reason his picks the past 2 games havent been backbreakers is pure frickin luck.
I cannot believe your reasoning,you cannot possibly be being objective about Kirk.If he was playing for another team I do not believe you guys would think Kirk was that great.
Going back to my comparison with Hoyer.Hoyer threw for 400 yards yesterday with 2 tds and no picks.Hoyer and Cousins career stats are very similar.Cousins has slightly higher td percentage but Hoyer has lower int percentage.Plus Hoyer played for freaking Cleveland.
Am I saying I would rather have Hoyer then Cousins,no I'm not but that's probably because I'm a skins fan,I'm a Cousins fan,and therefore I am not looking at it objectively.
Can you imagine Brian Hoyer making 17 million a yr and being considered a franchise qb? I can't either but yet we are thinking that about Kirk.
If that guy doesnt fumble the int do you still think we win that game?
Last week when Cleveland rb fumbled{and from what I read Cleveland actually recovered and it was a blown call,lucky again}do you think we win that game if we dont get that fumble? I dont think we would have won either game.
Just because we won both games does not give Kirk a free pass:rant:
But I can see from your post we are not going to agree on this subject,l just hope Kirk's luck will continue in the future when he throws more backbreaking ints:laughing-
HTTR

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=MTK;1151641]To me backbreakers usually end up with losses, not 3 game streaks with 2 road wins. His pick yesterday was as harmless as they get because of the fumble.[/quote]

That was a bonehead throw backed up against his end zone. His eyes give cousins away

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1151651]OMG really? Being up by 40 points and throwing that pick is harmless,just because dude fumbled doesnt make it harmless.And the wind had nothing to do with it,it looked like he threw it into triple coverage.

The only reason his picks the past 2 games havent been backbreakers is pure frickin luck.

I cannot believe your reasoning,you cannot possibly be being objective about Kirk.If he was playing for another team I do not believe you guys would think Kirk was that great.

Going back to my comparison with Hoyer.Hoyer threw for 400 yards yesterday with 2 tds and no picks.Hoyer and Cousins career stats are very similar.Cousins has slightly higher td percentage but Hoyer has lower int percentage.Plus Hoyer played for freaking Cleveland.

Am I saying I would rather have Hoyer then Cousins,no I'm not but that's probably because I'm a skins fan,I'm a Cousins fan,and therefore I am not looking at it objectively.

Can you imagine Brian Hoyer making 17 million a yr and being considered a franchise qb? I can't either but yet we are thinking that about Kirk.

If that guy doesnt fumble the int do you still think we win that game?

Last week when Cleveland rb fumbled{and from what I read Cleveland actually recovered and it was a blown call,lucky again}do you think we win that game if we dont get that fumble? I dont think we would have won either game.

Just because we won both games does not give Kirk a free pass:rant:

But I can see from your post we are not going to agree on this subject,l just hope Kirk's luck will continue in the future when he throws more backbreaking ints:laughing-

HTTR[/QUOTE]



Brian Hoyer played against arguably thee worst pass d in football in perfect weather.
Cousins played a top 5-10 pass d in atrocious weather.
In both their short careers at starter the numbers are heavily in favor of KC.
Not excuses, but facts.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Chico23231;1151654]That was a bonehead throw backed up against his end zone. His eyes give cousins away[/quote]

If there wasnt a fumble after that pick we lose that game.
One interception from a QB in one game isnt that bad, but in a low scoring affair like we had it could be a killer.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=htownskinfan;1151651]OMG really? Being up by 40 points and throwing that pick is harmless,just because dude fumbled doesnt make it harmless.And the wind had nothing to do with it,it looked like he threw it into triple coverage.
The only reason his picks the past 2 games havent been backbreakers is pure frickin luck.
I cannot believe your reasoning,you cannot possibly be being objective about Kirk.If he was playing for another team I do not believe you guys would think Kirk was that great.
Going back to my comparison with Hoyer.Hoyer threw for 400 yards yesterday with 2 tds and no picks.Hoyer and Cousins career stats are very similar.Cousins has slightly higher td percentage but Hoyer has lower int percentage.Plus Hoyer played for freaking Cleveland.
Am I saying I would rather have Hoyer then Cousins,no I'm not but that's probably because I'm a skins fan,I'm a Cousins fan,and therefore I am not looking at it objectively.
Can you imagine Brian Hoyer making 17 million a yr and being considered a franchise qb? I can't either but yet we are thinking that about Kirk.
If that guy doesnt fumble the int do you still think we win that game?
Last week when Cleveland rb fumbled{and from what I read Cleveland actually recovered and it was a blown call,lucky again}do you think we win that game if we dont get that fumble? I dont think we would have won either game.
Just because we won both games does not give Kirk a free pass:rant:
But I can see from your post we are not going to agree on this subject,l just hope Kirk's luck will continue in the future when he throws more backbreaking ints:laughing-
HTTR[/quote]

I can honestly say this is a fair post. I think what I could say about yesterday is it could have been a backbreaker. He got bailed out by the fumble into the end zone. But there was still a long way to go in that game so he could have overcome it. But that pick, and some of his other ones have just totally shifted the momentum back to the other team, when it seemed like we were getting control of the game. Hoping he can stop making those mistakes.

I don't really get hung up on the tag and the money. It was perfect timing for Cousins. Just because he's making 20 million doesn't mean he's going to all of a sudden put the team on his back. He's just not that type of player. Not sure why it's so hard for some of you to realize that, or when he misses a pass it's.."well he's making 20 million, so he should be better!" That's just ridiculous.

So far is there a big difference between Hoyer and Cousins? I'd say probably not. If you put Hoyer in this offense he'd probably have similar numbers to Cousins. And I have always been pro Cousins, but that is a fair comparison.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;1151656]If there wasnt a fumble after that pick we lose that game.
One interception from a QB in one game isnt that bad, but in a low scoring affair like we had it could be a killer.[/quote]

Again though, there was a lot of time left in the game. We very well could have won that game. Especially the way the defense was playing.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Oh man. Hoyer has never sniffed a year like KC had in 2015. If you put Hoyer on this team he would still not.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1151657]I can honestly say this is a fair post. I think what I could say about yesterday is it could have been a backbreaker. He got bailed out by the fumble into the end zone. But there was still a long way to go in that game so he could have overcome it. But that pick, and some of his other ones have just totally shifted the momentum back to the other team, when it seemed like we were getting control of the game. Hoping he can stop making those mistakes.

I don't really get hung up on the tag and the money. It was perfect timing for Cousins. Just because he's making 20 million doesn't mean he's going to all of a sudden put the team on his back. He's just not that type of player. Not sure why it's so hard for some of you to realize that, or when he misses a pass it's.."well he's making 20 million, so he should be better!" That's just ridiculous.

So far is there a big difference between Hoyer and Cousins? I'd say probably not. If you put Hoyer in this offense he'd probably have similar numbers to Cousins. And I have always been pro Cousins, but that is a fair comparison.[/quote]

I think a lot of us have developed certain expectations from Kirk given his performance and output during the second half of the season last year. Hence the reaction and criticism.

That being said, I will admit that this goes beyond Kirk. The coaching staff needs to figure out how to deal with these 3rd and short situations.

Having the defense perform better, should take some of the pressure form Kirk and the passing game. Now we need to get the running game and these short-yardage situations handled.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

The question is do you want to pay Cousins at least 18 million per year for 5 years after this season or find a way cheaper veteran or draft pick, and use all that saved money to get other players? I think that is still up in the air after 5 games. Ideally you take the QB and pay the money but it has to be for the right guy.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=htownskinfan;1151651]OMG really? Being up by 40 points and throwing that pick is harmless,just because dude fumbled doesnt make it harmless.And the wind had nothing to do with it,it looked like he threw it into triple coverage.
The only reason his picks the past 2 games havent been backbreakers is pure frickin luck.
I cannot believe your reasoning,you cannot possibly be being objective about Kirk.If he was playing for another team I do not believe you guys would think Kirk was that great.
Going back to my comparison with Hoyer.Hoyer threw for 400 yards yesterday with 2 tds and no picks.Hoyer and Cousins career stats are very similar.Cousins has slightly higher td percentage but Hoyer has lower int percentage.Plus Hoyer played for freaking Cleveland.
Am I saying I would rather have Hoyer then Cousins,no I'm not but that's probably because I'm a skins fan,I'm a Cousins fan,and therefore I am not looking at it objectively.
Can you imagine Brian Hoyer making 17 million a yr and being considered a franchise qb? I can't either but yet we are thinking that about Kirk.
If that guy doesnt fumble the int do you still think we win that game?
Last week when Cleveland rb fumbled{and from what I read Cleveland actually recovered and it was a blown call,lucky again}do you think we win that game if we dont get that fumble? I dont think we would have won either game.
Just because we won both games does not give Kirk a free pass:rant:
But I can see from your post we are not going to agree on this subject,l just hope Kirk's luck will continue in the future when he throws more backbreaking ints:laughing-
HTTR[/quote]


He didn't throw into triple coverage though. He threw it to Reed because he read a cover 2 she'll and had Reed on a post which was the right read. Mosley made a great play and jumped a mile into the air to catch it.

He's completed that same ball on the same coverage 50x Atleast. He just missed that one.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1151659]Oh man. Hoyer has never sniffed a year like KC had in 2015. If you put Hoyer on this team he would still not.[/quote]

No he hasn't. And I think KC is the better QB, but they're in the same neighborhood. If you put Hoyer in this offense, with these skill players I think their numbers would be similar.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1151665]No he hasn't. And I think KC is the better QB, but they're in the same neighborhood. If you put Hoyer in this offense, with these skill players I think their numbers would be similar.[/QUOTE]



These skill players AND no run game AND no defense....

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1151660[B]]I think a lot of us have developed certain expectations from Kirk given his performance and output during the second half of the season last year. Hence the reaction and criticism.
[/B]
That being said, I will admit that this goes beyond Kirk. The coaching staff needs to figure out how to deal with these 3rd and short situations.

Having the defense perform better, should take some of the pressure form Kirk and the passing game. Now we need to get the running game and these short-yardage situations handled.[/quote]

I think that's fair. But we still have a long way to go one the schedule. And I would also say that we've got a tougher schedule this year as well. He may be a better QB than last year but may not have better numbers.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1151666]These skill players AND no run game AND no defense....[/quote]

Well you can't just say no defense. They've been giving up yards and all but they have been taking the ball away and giving it back to the offense. And yesterday the defense was outstanding.

But again, I think KC is a better than Hoyer. No argument there. But I just don't think we're talking about a huge difference between the two.

I look at the Texans and they flipped out cause Hoyer shit the bed during that playoff loss. They panicked, completely overpaid for an unknown guy. Can you say that Brock is really that much better than Hoyer? I just don't see that much of a difference.