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[quote=Landry44;794787]He didn't make anyone on his team better so how is it that he has great leadership skills? His team was sub 500 under his so called leadership. He has the ability(like many others) to make big throws but he rarely does. His accuracy is terrible that is why he had a 55% completion percentage. His whole college career has been mediocre at best. I have tons of evidence to support each one of these statements. Do you wish to challenge them?[/quote]

I am not a fan of Locker. But he did take a winless team and make it a .500 bowl winner. To that end he did, in fact, make others around him better.

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[quote=Lotus;794795]I am not a fan of Locker. But he did take a winless team and make it a .500 bowl winner. To that end he did, in fact, make others around him better.[/quote]

If they do draft him, we really have to hope that Shanahan can make another Plummer like miracle turn around, except this time he won't bail so soon, because Locker will be on the right side of 30....or the left....but the right side in terms of.....oh f**k it.

Still you look at Plummers numbers when he played at Arizona State (0 TD's and 9 Ints in 11 games during his second year) and for the Cardinals and you wonder how the hell did Shanahan turn him into a pro bowler +90 QB.
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Still it's a leap of faith to think that he can get the same kind of turn around with Locker.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;794796]If they do draft him, we really have to hope that Shanahan can make another Plummer like miracle turn around, except this time he won't bail so soon, because Locker will be on the right side of 30....or the left....but the right side in terms of.....oh f**k it.

Still you look at Plummers numbers when he played at Arizona State (0 TD's and 9 Ints in 11 games during his second year) and for the Cardinals and you wonder how the hell did Shanahan turn him into a pro bowler +90 QB.
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[B]Still it's a leap of faith to think that he can get the same kind of turn around with Locker.[/B][/quote]

You are correct. And Texas-sized-ego Shanny might make that leap, for good or for ill.

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[quote=Landry44;794787]He didn't make anyone on his team better so how is it that he has great leadership skills? His team was sub 500 under his so called leadership. He has the ability(like many others) to make big throws but he rarely does. His accuracy is terrible that is why he had a 55% completion percentage. His whole college career has been mediocre at best. I have tons of evidence to support each one of these statements. Do you wish to challenge them?[/quote]

Thank you Landry44 for bringing some reality back to this Jake Locker lovefest. I feel the same way you do about Locker. The more game footage I watch of Locker the more I dislike him. His highlight reel of big game winning plays are him running the ball. Look what happen to him in the Bowl game nearly got knocked unconscious when he ran the ball against Nebraska. He will get killed in the NFL if he runs like he did in college. He is not very bright for running with his head down.
Kind of reminds me of Patrick Ramsey, great guy, looks like your frat brother, tough, can take a hit, strong arm, but inaccurate. Just like Ramsey. One major difference is he can run and Ramsey could not.
Locker will not wake up one day and go from being inaccurate college Qb against lesser talent and suddenly transform into an accurate passer against MUCH better talent he will face in the NFL.
Locker is a project and a bit of a gamble. You do not draft a project with the #10 pick. That is a Cerratto move.

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Sporting News War Room has Skins taking:

1) Castonzo
2) Locker
5) Pernell McPhee
5) Bruce Miller
6) Terrence Toliver
7) Sealver Siliga
7) Chris Stewart
7) Jeremy Ross


Castonzo and Locker? I'm all for it.

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[quote=Defensewins;794810]Thank you Landry44 for bringing some reality back to this Jake Locker lovefest. I feel the same way you do about Locker. The more game footage I watch of Locker the more I dislike him. His highlight reel of big game winning plays are him running the ball. Look what happen to him in the Bowl game nearly got knocked unconscious when he ran the ball against Nebraska. He will get killed in the NFL if he runs like he did in college. He is not very bright.
Kind of reminds me of Patrick Ramsey, great guy, looks like your frat brother, tough, can take a hit, strong arm, but inaccurate. Just like Ramsey. The only difference is he can run and Ramsey could not.
Locker will not wake up one day and go from being inaccurate college Qb against lesser talent and suddenly transform into an accurate passer against MUCH better talent he will face in the NFL.
Locker is a project and a bit of a gamble. You do not draft a project with the #10 pick.[/quote]


It's only reality to you and Landry because you both share the same opinion. Others disagree believing that Locker deserves the benefit of the doubt when you look at the quality of the talent that surrounded him at Washington. If we can get Locker in the second round after taking Castonzo in the first as TSN's mock shows, that would be great in my opinion, especially if you take Locker with the idea of having him sit the first year getting some occasional mop up duty. Locker isn't the guy if you are expecting him to start day one.

As for the Locker/Ramsey comparison, I always like Ramsey and have always felt he got a raw deal considering the sieve for an offensive line we had. He was tough and his teammates respected him and that I can see in Locker. I'd be willing to bet that Locker will have the teams respect in short order by the way he works on and off the field and through his [b]leadership[/b]. He may not end up with a Tom Brady/Peyton Manning career, but I think he'll be someone we'll either wish we had drafted or are glad we did draft. Whatever we do, I just hope we get it right this year.

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^I like the idea of taking a day one starter at offensive tackle. It will help our terrible running game and help protect our Qb. Locker will just sit on the bench.
If we stay at 10 and all the elite pass rushers and Defensive linemen are gone, the few remaining elite Offensive linemen, WR or RB seems to a safer bet, then reaching for a QB.
Stick with what is proven works, elite pass rusher or elite offensive linemen. I would love to come away with from this draft with the next Russ Grimm and Joe Jacoby. They proved you win with any of three different Qb's.

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[quote=Defensewins;794810]Thank you Landry44 for bringing some reality back to this Jake Locker lovefest. I feel the same way you do about Locker. The more game footage I watch of Locker the more I dislike him. [B]His highlight reel of big game winning plays are him running the ball. [/B] Look what happen to him in the Bowl game nearly got knocked unconscious when he ran the ball against Nebraska. He will get killed in the NFL if he runs like he did in college. He is not very bright for running with his head down.
Kind of reminds me of Patrick Ramsey, great guy, looks like your frat brother, tough, can take a hit, strong arm, but inaccurate. Just like Ramsey. One major difference is he can run and Ramsey could not.
Locker will not wake up one day and go from being inaccurate college Qb against lesser talent and suddenly transform into an accurate passer against MUCH better talent he will face in the NFL.
Locker is a project and a bit of a gamble. You do not draft a project with the #10 pick. That is a Cerratto move.[/quote]

There you go. A whole drive of passes and one run by Locker to set up a game winning field goal. I suggest you fast forward to 3:40 if you want to know what this Locker kid is all about.
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By the way, if Vick can learn to be an accurate passer then I'm pretty sure this Locker guy can to. Just remember 70% completion rate on throws outside the pocket. We run a bootleg, play action, down the field passing system.

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[quote=Terpfan76;794812]It's only reality to you and Landry because you both share the same opinion. Others disagree believing that Locker deserves the benefit of the doubt when you look at the quality of the talent that surrounded him at Washington. [B]If we can get Locker in the second round after taking Castonzo in the first as TSN's mock shows, that would be great[/B] in my opinion, especially if you take Locker with the idea of having him sit the first year getting some occasional mop up duty. Locker isn't the guy if you are expecting him to start day one.

As for the Locker/Ramsey comparison, I always like Ramsey and have always felt he got a raw deal considering the sieve for an offensive line we had. He was tough and his teammates respected him and that I can see in Locker. I'd be willing to bet that Locker will have the teams respect in short order by the way he works on and off the field and through his [b]leadership[/b]. He may not end up with a Tom Brady/Peyton Manning career, but I think he'll be someone we'll either wish we had drafted or are glad we did draft. Whatever we do, I just hope we get it right this year.[/quote]

Of course that would be great. Just do not reach for Locker at #10.

You talk about Locker's college team not being very good. Yes that is true. But what really shocked me when watching his games from last year, I was shocked at how unathletic and bad some of the competition was. HIs highlights from the UCLA and Cal games in particular, some of the Db's and Lb's looked worse then my highschool teamates. The PAC 10 last year was not very good, especially the bottom half. Last years Pac10 will not be confused with the SEC. You are only as good as your competition.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;794814]There you go. A whole drive of passes and one run by Locker to set up a game winning field goal. I suggest you fast forward to 3:40 if you want to know what this Locker kid is all about.
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By the way, if Vick can learn to be an accurate passer then I'm pretty sure this Locker guy can to. Just remember 70% completion rate on throws outside the pocket. We run a bootleg, play action, down the field passing system.[/quote]

Sir Dirtbag59
Locker rushed 12 times for 112 yards in that game. Locker rushed for 84 yards and a decisive touchdown in his final college game. Locker nearly got decapitated running the ball in that game.
Everyone talks about how he is not so accurate as a pocket passer but so much more accurate when getting outside of the pocket. In the NFL the speed of the defenders especially on the edge is so much more than college, Locker better develop pocket passing accuracy or he will get killed if he has to rely on one thing. Thinking Locker is a Franchise Qb at this stage is reckless. We have so many holes to fill taking a chance with Locker at 10 is a big gamble for Mr. Shanahan and his longevity in DC.

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[quote=Defensewins;794817]Sir Dirtbag59
Locker rushed 12 times for 112 yards in that game. Locker rushed for 84 yards and a decisive touchdown in his final college game. Locker nearly got decapitated running the ball in that game.
Everyone talks about how he is not so accurate as a pocket passer but so much more accurate when getting outside of the pocket. In the NFL the speed of the defenders is so much more than college, Locker better develop pocket passing accuracy or he will get killed.[/quote]

Why is everyone knighting me today? You're like the 12th person to call me Sir.

And I agree on the need for him to develop as a pocket passer. I don't go into this prediction/desire for Locker without reservations but I certainly don't think it's unrealistic to expect him to develop that skill at the next level. Plus if the Redskins have done all this work since week 8 and decided that Locker is their guy that should at least say something about how he projects at the next level in this system.

Still while NFL defenses will make it significantly harder for QB's to gain yards on the ground it's still hard to get to QB's on designed play action. Especially when you have tackles like Trent Williams leading the way. Also the right side won't be shabby either with Brown or Harris manning the RT spot. Every Shanahan QB has had great success getting to the edges on bootlegs and rollouts....except McNabb but thats beside the point.

I mean if Schuab can get outside the pocket then I'm pretty sure that Locker can get there to.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;794818]Why is everyone knighting me today? You're like the 12th person to call me Sir.

And I agree on the need for him to develop as a pocket passer. I don't go into this prediction/desire for Locker without reservations but I certainly don't think it's unrealistic to expect him to develop that skill at the next level. Plus if the Redskins have done all this work since week 8 and decided that Locker is their guy that should at least say something about how he projects at the next level in this system.

Still while NFL defenses will make it significantly harder for QB's to gain yards on the ground it's still hard to get to QB's on designed play action. Especially when you have tackles like Trent Williams leading the way. Also the right side won't be shabby either with Brown or Harris manning the RT spot. Every Shanahan QB has had great success getting to the edges on bootlegs and rollouts....except McNabb but thats beside the point.

I mean if Schuab can get outside the pocket then I'm pretty sure that Locker can get there to.[/quote]

Mcnabb was running for his life behind our line last year. I was not very impressed with Brown. I would not be so quick to lay all the blame on Mcnabb who was playing in a new system for him. I do not hate Locker and I would be ok with us taking further down the draft. He is a reach at 10. That is all. Reaching when you have so many other holes to fill is a Ceratto move.
We are not a Qb away from being good. This is a deep draft and we should get a day one starter at 10. Not a project roll of the dice. Not at 10 please.

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[quote=Defensewins;794819]Mcnabb was running for his life behind our line last year. I was not very impressed with Brown. I would not be so quick to lay all the blame on Mcnabb who was playing in a new system for him. I do not hate Locker and I would be ok with us taking further down the draft. He is a reach at 10. That is all. Reaching when you have so many other holes to fill is a Ceratto move.
[B]We are not a Qb away from being good[/B].[/quote]

Agreed, but you don't draft a QB to be good that year. You draft a QB to be good 3 or 4 years down the road.

Lineman can be drafted and added in between and get up to speed much quicker (how many weeks, not years but weeks, did it take for Trent to get good enough to hold off Pro Bowl pass rushers). Bottom line if you see your franchise QB you take him. Maybe you can manage a quick trade down but you don't play fast and loose with a guy you see as your QB of the future.

Look at it this way. Without a QB of the future you're going to have to worry about the Skins taking a QB instead of a trench player for the next 2 or 3 years. You will never get any sleep. Even if Locker is a total bust the team will stay away from drafting the QB position for the next few years and instead focus on front 7 defenders, lineman, and other positions.

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Thats my Quarterback :'(
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