Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10]I'll take stability in the form of Peyton Manning, Michael Vick, or Donovan McNabb. But I don't want stability in the form of Patick Ramsey. Do you really think he's the long-term solution?

Besides, this is a contrived statement. The stability we need so desperately is stability within the coaching ranks. Personell changes from year to year in the NFL, that is one of the only certainties. You need stability in the coaching staff first and foremost. Stability at QB would be great, but neither Ramsey nor Brunell are the answer in that department.[/QUOTE]

i honestly don't know. after last season he convinced me, the team, and Gibbs that he had the potential to be the long term solution. Brunell proved he wasn't, even if he DOES play magically better than last year.

yes, personnel changes are part of the NFL, but putting everything behind one guy, building a team around a "leader", than pulling the rug out from everybody including the team after 20 minutes into the season i think could be classified as 'instability'.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy]Bring on Jason Campbell. Brunell will never lead us to the playoffs. Ramsey is not going to want to be here or ever feel secure in this town. Why waste time, let's get the rook some experience...[/QUOTE]

I'm thinking the same thing. We all know his contract is loaded with incentives next year, but who knows this could be his year. We don't know until he gets in there. One thing you can admit he's more comfortable than Brunell and Ramsey in the pocket and is strong as hell when it comes to avoiding the sacks.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=illdefined]i honestly don't know. after last season he convinced me, the team, and Gibbs that he had the potential to be the long term solution. Brunell proved he wasn't, even if he DOES play magically better than last year.

yes, personnel changes are part of the NFL, but putting everything behind one guy, building a team around a "leader", than pulling the rug out from everybody including the team after 20 minutes into the season i think could be classified as 'instability'.[/QUOTE]

I disagree that Ramsey proved he had the potential to be the long term solution, and Gibbs disagrees as well as shown by the trade to bring Campbell in.

I don't think this is instability, we are arguing over the relative merits of Ramsey and Brunell who are not to be confused with Culpepper and Manning. At the end of the day I think it was the turnovers that doomed Ramsey, Brunell didn't set the world afire with his performance but he made the smart plays that allowed us to win, something that Ramsey has yet to get. I don't particularly care for the move, but I'll wait to see Brunell against the Cowboys before I criticize the move.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=12thMan]Okay, fine. But Gibbs has essentially brought in two QBs to compete with Ramsey. One via FA and the following year through the draft.
With one being the definite heir appearant.

So even those situations are quite different than the one we have here.[/QUOTE]

Well Humphries was also around during Williams-Rypien wasn't he?

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=memphisskin]Brunell didn't set the world afire with his performance but he made the smart plays that allowed us to win, something that Ramsey has yet to get. I don't particularly care for the move, but I'll wait to see Brunell against the Cowboys before I criticize the move.[/QUOTE]

i was with you until this. when did Brunell allow us to win? all his smart play did was allow us to not lose *bad*. Ramsey actually *won* games and sparked our offense with the same bad receivers, line etc.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=illdefined]i was with you until this. when did Brunell allow us to win? all his smart play did was allow us to not lose *bad*. Ramsey actually *won* games and sparked our offense with the same bad receivers, line etc.[/QUOTE]


When are we going to stop talking about last year? Get over last year guys!!!!!!!

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=illdefined]i was with you until this. when did Brunell allow us to win? all his smart play did was allow us to not lose *bad*. Ramsey actually *won* games and sparked our offense with the same bad receivers, line etc.[/QUOTE]

Wrong. In every one of our wins last year Portis went over 100 yards.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=Schneed10]Wrong. In every one of our wins last year Portis went over 100 yards.[/QUOTE]

think the passing game (or actual threat of one) had anything to do with that?

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

I think one of the reasons a lot of us are so upset about this whole Ramsey situation is that he's been the only QB that we've had with promise the last few years.

We've all wanted him to succeed. Hell, I feel like a lot of us feel that he's been a part of the figurative "family" and deserves to win just like we as fans deserve it. I think what upsets us the most is the fact that this very well may be the last we've seen of Ramsey and the uncertainty of the QB position in the future is so up-in-the-air.

We don't know how Campbell will be and we know that Brunell isn't getting any younger. I think it's tough for us to swallow the pill that Ramsey isn't going to be the QB we all wanted him to be, even through the Spurrier years.

Ramsey, I wish you well (except against us) and I believe that you did get the Joan Collins special this year. I hope he goes somewhere else, prospers and loses to us in the Super Bowl or NFC Championship game. I normally don't buy into what the media says, but I think the only thing that can fix these damaged goods is a clean slate with a new team.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=illdefined]think the passing game (or threat of one) had anything to do with that?[/QUOTE]

Nope. Our passing game was horrid last year even WITH Ramsey. It took him some time to get into a groove.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=Redskins_P]When are we going to stop talking about last year? Get over last year guys!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

If others can continuously remind us of Gibbs' glory years in the 80's, then I guess it's also appropriate that we can remind everyone of the start of Gibbs II last year.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Nope. Our passing game was horrid last year even WITH Ramsey. It took him some time to get into a groove.[/QUOTE]

maybe. but it was better than Brunell, who never "got in the groove" enough in 9 games.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=LadyT]If others can continuously remind us of Gibbs' glory years in the 80's, then I guess it's also appropriate that we can remind everyone of the start of Gibbs II last year.[/QUOTE]

Ok, whatever you say Lady T. You're absolutely right. We suck, we're done, Gibbs sucks. Don't jump on the bandwagon once we start winning games. Thats all I'm saying.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Well Humphries was also around during Williams-Rypien wasn't he?[/QUOTE]

I don't remember, but how high was Humphries drafted is my question?

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

heh, i was thinking the exact same thing LadyT. so everyone's on the same Brunell Bandwagon they couldn't wait to jump off last december. Ramsey's not the one on the "short leash"