Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;737318]Hank Baskett is on his way to sign with the Vikes, so there goes that Jackson trade.[/quote]

Thats what happens when you let your ego run the show. Instead of getting something you simply end up with your ego in your hand.

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[quote=takethecake;737307]I feel like 400 yards passing last week should be helping to quiet any arguments that we need jackson on this team. Sure I'd take him for a 3rd rounder or less, but SD isn't gonna give him up for that, and given what mcnabb is producing with the weapons he has, I'm not giving up anything more if I'm Bruce Allen. Long live galloway and moss haha[/quote]

True, but VJ wouldn't of dropped the winning TD like Galloway did.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=Shadowbyte;737329]True, but VJ wouldn't of dropped the winning TD like Galloway did.[/quote]

It'd be hard for Jackson to catch the winning TD from his house, which is where he would have been serving his suspension and not on the field playing for us.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;737329]True, but VJ wouldn't of dropped the winning TD like Galloway did.[/quote]

Longer arms are canceled out by less speed and possibly better coverage.

Also, it was to far out for Galloway to drop it.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;737302]Does everyone realize that the Davis/Cooley duo put up 126 yards this week with 62 of those yards being credited to Davis? Let's keep our spread attack the way it is.[/quote]

Well, all of Davis' yards came on one catch. He won't be putting up 62 every week averaging one catch a game.

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[quote=skinsnut;737268]The trade we apparantly need to make is Haynesworth for a better Defensive coordinator[/quote]

I was against having Haslett, I'll admit that. However watching the game I thought the team played Dallas pretty good, and watching the Houston game I felt the defense did pretty good as well. The rush is getting better and we had what 5 sacks?

Now I know your going to pull out the statistic's book and say we are 31st and 32nd when it comes to passing and running defense which is horrid, then your going to pull out the yardage both teams put up on us which I technically can't defend. All I can say is the defense LOOKED better then it ever has before under Williams or Blache. It LOOKED better. In past yrs the defense has looked emotionless and just going through the motions, but the were ranked 4th defensively. To me the defense finally looks like they are having fun smiling and enjoying the game.

I wonder if the other 3-4 defenses have the same issue's? Are they risking the big play due to blitzing or is it just the Skins and growing pains? If this is just one biproduct of the 3-4 defense then I'll accept it in order to have more sacks and possible rusing of the QB which creates interceptions vs. what we have seen in Williams and Blache's scheme.

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SD rejected an offer from the Vikes of a 2nd-round pick and conditional 2011 pick.

They want two second-rounders or a 2nd- and 3rd from the same year. They won't get that much for a problem child WR. Yes he's talented, but some risk comes along with him.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-jacksonchargers092110]Vikings-Chargers deal for Jackson looks bleak - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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Wasn't New Orleans D ranked 26th last year? It was turnovers, and aggressive calling kept them in games. Yardage stats alone are a useless stat for ranking D's. Points allowed are a far better stat, and if you can somehow adjust by points the D scored then that would probably be even better.

IF we allow the Rams to get 400 yds of offense, or can't keep a lead (assuming we get one) then I will worry more, but Houston looks like a team that's going to get it's points week in week out.

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[quote=Buster;737390]SD rejected an offer from the Vikes of a 2nd-round pick and conditional 2011 pick.

They want two second-rounders or a 2nd- and 3rd from the same year. They won't get that much for a problem child WR. Yes he's talented, but some risk comes along with him.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-jacksonchargers092110]Vikings-Chargers deal for Jackson looks bleak - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

How could any team sign off on that type of deal for a guy who is one 5:15am stop away from a year suspension.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=takethecake;737307]I feel like 400 yards passing last week should be helping to quiet any arguments that we need jackson on this team. Sure I'd take him for a 3rd rounder or less, but SD isn't gonna give him up for that, and given what mcnabb is producing with the weapons he has, I'm not giving up anything more if I'm Bruce Allen. Long live galloway and moss haha[/quote]

The problem is most of those yrds were spread amongst 3 players. Moss for the most part, Davis, then Cooley. VJ is a tall WR, something of which we don't have right now who could easily be the endzone threat for a fade route possibly along with Armstrong. He's also big enough that he won't be easily brought down on first contact... unlike Moss.

I too want to see our WR's step up on the field and have been wondering if MS is bringing them along slowly? The first game was mainly for Moss, but Cooley was involved. The second game Moss had more of a roll as did Cooley, but Davis was added, Galloway was incorporated, and Armstrong had one or two nice catches. I can't wait to see what game three brings us.... will they utilize all; Moss, Cooley, Davis, Galloway, Armstrong, and add Banks on some screen passes? Will the OL be able to open the holes for the RB's? I hope the Rams are just what the team needs, a win, to boost their ego's and understand each persons responsibilities and rolls. I hope they have a break out game and not play to the level of our opponant.

Back on track.... if we can get VJ, I'd say get him. We waisted 2 second round draft picks for Thomas and Kelly and the team has not reaped the benifits from it. Will they ever? I'm begining to doubt it. So "if" the team decided to give up 2 second round picks for a "proven" WR I'll be ok with it. Moss, although still appears to have gas in his tank, is getting old, Galloway is old, R.Williams really didn't do much- was cut by us a year ago- and is back again but has not produced. We are finally getting production out of Thomas on ST, but not at WR. Armstrong I think and hope is the real deal, but where will we be next yr? If youth is the game plan we have R.Williams, Armstrong, Thomas, Banks, and Austin. Only two have shown promise as a WR..... Armstrong, and Banks (especially on screen passes).

I would rather they spend the draft pick on a proven, known commodity, VJ, vs. rolling the dice on another unknown WR comming out of college and rolling craps again.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;737329]True, but VJ wouldn't of dropped the winning TD like Galloway did.[/quote]

Mainly because he's taller and when stretching out for the ball would have gotten a better attept at catching it.

Re: V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"
 

[quote=SirClintonPortis;737345]Longer arms are canceled out by less speed and possibly better coverage.

Also, it was to far out for Galloway to drop it.[/quote]

This is a possibility, but keep in mind Galloway goes long using speed, Moss was catching everything so I imagine he might have been double covered, then you have VJ- a big target on a slant just underneith Galloway to catch the ball for a 1st down if need be so McNabb doesn't have to force the long ball to Galloway.

Like you said though it doesn't guarentee VJ catch's the ball but he definitly might have been able to jump higher in order to catch it vs. having to dive for the ball. We really don't know. But not just using one play... VJ is a tall WR who will out jump most CB's for the ball so McNabb would have a tall WR, VJ is a solid WR also and hard to bring down on initial contact unlike Moss who is good and fast but usually avoids contact.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;737398]How could any team sign off on that type of deal for a guy who is one 5:15am stop away from a year suspension.[/quote]

Well also look at who the HC is. Norv is not known for discipline. He's a players coach. Hopefully Shanahan would instill more discipline and VJ wouldn't be in the situation he's in. VJ is a man and needs to grow up and act like one if he wants to keep playing I'll agree and all his troubles are not Norvs fault but bringing him in with a strict contract and perhaps a punishment for if he fails a drug test or gets into trouble again might cure/fix the problem. A long with having a HC that won't put of with the itshay.

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I think last week showed that much like he's done his entire career, McNabb has a knack for spreading the ball around and making the most of his receivers. At this point I would definitely pass on VJ, considering what it's going to take to get him here in terms of draft picks, and then a big contract on top of that.

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Would we be better with VJ at wideout? Absolutely.

But what does better define? A game? Maybe. 2 games? I doubt it.

I'm not giving a 2nd rounder for someone that won't be able to contribute a very significant difference to this organization. GM Allen is going to pass unless we can work a deal out with Haynesworth, which seems like a stretch to me as well.

I think we're stuck with Haynesworth until the off-season, pending the current situation doesn't evolve much.

This is still a rebuilding team. And we need to focus on our foundation first. If we're going to focus on a solid line for next year, I think we've gotta pass on this right now.