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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;865801]I know he won't.[/quote]
I knew you knew that. It just gave me a chance to ramble on, like an obsessed Redskins fan.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;865803]I knew you knew that. It just gave me a chance to ramble on, like an obsessed Redskins fan.[/quote]

Works for me.

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[quote=Mechanix544;865773]I say we end up drafting 5th with Minny, St.Louis, Indy and tampa ahead of us. I think that every one of those teams is fine at the QB position, but Indy WILL take Luck. So the question is, will Tampa take one qb, or will both great qbs drop to the 5th pick, giving us our choice?

Point is, if we end up with Matthew Barkley as our signal caller coming out of the 2012 draft, this draft was a great one. If we end up without him and RG3 turns out to be our qb, then it still will be a good draft. But if we do not get either of them, and Shanny takes a chance on "his" type of guy, say in the 2nd round in order to groom him and such, then I am not so sure...........I wouldnt hate to see Tannehill running our O, shit, he would be better t
han what we have right now the first day he stepped onto the field, AS A ROOKIE. If that is Shannys direction, then who could you see him rolling with in the first round if he targets tannehill in the 2nd? Would it be a WR? Or would he go OLine?[/quote]

My only real concern at this point is Cle. SS has already mentioned that the browns are deeply interested in Barkley...

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One thing I worry about Shanahan is that he would pass Barkley and go for Landry Jones if he decides to enter the draft. I smell a Ryan Leaf vs Manning scenario. [url=http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://sportscoconuts.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/ratboy.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sportscoconuts.wordpress.com/2008/11/page/2/&h=400&w=320&sz=59&tbnid=-sRWKxvkm40thM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=72&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmike%2Bshanahan%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=mike+shanahan&docid=OEF8he92EMe6dM&sa=X&ei=SJ_dTvm_EKfMiQKcxOztCA&ved=0CFQQ9QEwBg&dur=454]Redirect Notice[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;865828]One thing I worry about Shanahan is that he would pass Barkley and go for Landry Jones if he decides to enter the draft. I smell a Ryan Leaf vs Manning scenario. [url=http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://sportscoconuts.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/ratboy.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sportscoconuts.wordpress.com/2008/11/page/2/&h=400&w=320&sz=59&tbnid=-sRWKxvkm40thM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=72&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmike%2Bshanahan%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=mike+shanahan&docid=OEF8he92EMe6dM&sa=X&ei=SJ_dTvm_EKfMiQKcxOztCA&ved=0CFQQ9QEwBg&dur=454]Redirect Notice[/url][/quote]

I want to say: "well you gotta trust Shanahan and his decision" but then I remember that he went with Rex and Beck this season.

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Landry is coming back if the street talk is right

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[quote=Ruhskins;865830]I want to say: "well you gotta trust Shanahan and his decision" but then I remember that he went with Rex and Beck this season.[/quote]

I really felt they went with rex and beck because of the lockout. They felt they wouldn't have time coach up a rookie or FA. All bets off if there was no lockout. To me, that decision made sense. No one could have predicted how well Newton and Dalton are doing.

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True but Shanny is so tight lipped who knows what QB he will take.

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[quote=Ruhskins;865830]I want to say: "well you gotta trust Shanahan and his decision" but then I remember that he went with Rex and Beck this season.[/quote]

Not directed specifically at you, you just brought up the thought in my mind, but I get tired of so many people belittling Shanny for having Rex/Beck as the QB combo this year. If he didn't like the guys available in the draft, then he didn't like them. If he didn't think any FA's were a good fit, then why would he get them. Especially after the bad taste left in his mouth from going out and getting another FA that doesn't pan out the year before in McNabb. You know how all over him people and the media would be?

We have so many problems he can't fix them all in one year. We got some good FA's and some good draft picks. I am confident we will address QB this year in the draft. Rome wasn't built in a day.

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[quote=mbedner3420;865850]I really felt they went with rex and beck because of the lockout. They felt they wouldn't have time coach up a rookie or FA. All bets off if there was no lockout. To me, that decision made sense. No one could have predicted how well Newton and Dalton are doing.[/quote]

Agreed, long term we are no worse off from the Rex/Beck decision than we would have been if we brought someone else in via free agency. My only issue is that there hasn't been a developmental QB brought in via the draft in either of the previous 2 seasons.

Anyone who has watched Gabbert or Ponder can't really be too upset we didn't pick one of them over Kerrigan. Gabbert looks like he may be out of the league in 3 years, he looks AWFUL!

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[quote=Paintrain;865985]Agreed, long term we are no worse off from the Rex/Beck decision than we would have been if we brought someone else in via free agency. My only issue is that there hasn't been a developmental QB brought in via the draft in either of the previous 2 seasons.

Anyone who has watched Gabbert or Ponder can't really be too upset we didn't pick one of them over Kerrigan. Gabbert looks like he may be out of the league in 3 years, he looks AWFUL![/quote]

I agree it was a bad decision to not have a developmental QB. However, I feel that the reason for this was Shanny had a win now mentality when he got here, and when that didn't happen, he went into rebuild mode and didn't like anyone he saw last year so chose to improve other badly performing positions.

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[quote=SkinzWin;865992]I agree it was a bad decision to not have a developmental QB. However, I feel that the reason for this was Shanny had a win now mentality when he got here, and when that didn't happen, he went into rebuild mode and didn't like anyone he saw last year so chose to improve other badly performing positions.[/quote]

I think there is a big difference between getting McNabb (which costed the team a 2nd rounder) and going after some of the free agents that were available this past offseason. I don't think anyone was expecting MS to trade for a veteran QB this offseason, but I just find it hard to believe that Rex and Beck were the best options out there.

Granted, that there is always the possibility that maybe none of these vet QBs wanted to come here. But I think the starting QB position was wide open here in Washington, and I find it hard to believe that the likes of Matt Leinart, Vince Young, and possibly Tavaris Jackson would not have wanted to compete for a starting position. I'm not saying that these guys would have meant playoffs for us, but I think they are slightly better than the two QBs we have on roster.

In the end, many things could have happened, but I just hope MS' decision to go with these two guys were truly the result of the lockout and what not, and not an actual decision by the coaching staff to depend on these guys. We will never know, since MS would never go out and said that he had to settle for these guys.

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[quote=SkinzWin;865976]Not directed specifically at you, you just brought up the thought in my mind, but I get tired of so many people belittling Shanny for having Rex/Beck as the QB combo this year. If he didn't like the guys available in the draft, then he didn't like them. If he didn't think any FA's were a good fit, then why would he get them. Especially after the bad taste left in his mouth from going out and getting another FA that doesn't pan out the year before in McNabb. You know how all over him people and the media would be?

We have so many problems he can't fix them all in one year. We got some good FA's and some good draft picks. I am confident we will address QB this year in the draft. Rome wasn't built in a day.[/quote]But the argument is totally nullified by the fact that the Redskins had McNabb on the roster after the lockout ended. He was traded because he was perceived as a limiting factor by a team that wanted to turn the keys over to Rex Grossman and/or John Beck.

There's no conspiracy theory to be had here. Mike Shanahan thought Rex Grossman and John Beck could win games for him in 2011. He thought they could win enough games to win the NFC East. And the only part he was right about is that it's only going to take 9 or 10 wins to take the East.

It's one thing to not have a lot of confidence in a rookie Blaine Gabbert or a rookie Christian Ponder or a rookie Ryan Mallett, the three players who the Redskins passed over at no. 10 overall to trade down to 16. History may prove Mike Shanahan right on that one. It's never going to look fondly though on the guys he actually staked his reputation to. Heck, Shanahan couldn't even tell the difference in quality between the two guys he handpicked. Even the veterans on the Redskins had that figured out. The idea that there werent better options out there to be had over the last two seasons is absurd. Of course there were.

We haven't fixed any "real" problems in two years, so how would we know how much a good coaching staff could fix in one year? Maybe changing the coaching staff brings in the perfect guy to win in the NFL at this time. Or maybe it starts over the rebuilding clock. Either way, what's the downside?

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[quote=Paintrain;865985]Agreed, long term we are no worse off from the Rex/Beck decision than we would have been if we brought someone else in via free agency. My only issue is that there hasn't been a developmental QB brought in via the draft in either of the previous 2 seasons.

Anyone who has watched Gabbert or Ponder can't really be too upset we didn't pick one of them over Kerrigan. Gabbert looks like he may be out of the league in 3 years, he looks AWFUL![/quote]

I wonder if being thrown into the mix right as the season started (for Gabbert) and within the season (Ponder) affected these guys. I mean, I am sure being the starter from day 1 helped Dalton and Newton (although Newton's talent cannot be compared to these other guys).

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[quote=Paintrain;865985]Agreed, long term we are no worse off from the Rex/Beck decision than we would have been if we brought someone else in via free agency. My only issue is that there hasn't been a developmental QB brought in via the draft in either of the previous 2 seasons.

Anyone who has watched Gabbert or Ponder can't really be too upset we didn't pick one of them over Kerrigan. Gabbert looks like he may be out of the league in 3 years, he looks AWFUL![/quote]My official position is that it's far too early to judge anyone from the 2011 QB class right now. I think Ponder looks a lot better than Gabbert at this point, but I won't be concerned about Gabbert unless he's still JaMarcusing it at this point next year. Then Jacksonville has issues. We used to have a word to describe Blaine Gabbert's performance, and that word was "rookie."

You need rushers like Kerrigan in this league just as much as you need franchise quarterbacks, so I will never struggle to grasp the Redskins decision. Me personally? I would have kept Andre Carter and been more patient with him and drafted a QB in 2011. But then we'd be looking at having to address that hole on the defense anyway.

A big thing for me was that as soon as we passed on Ponder, I would have taken T.J. Yates down in the draft (maybe even in the second round) because he pretty much was Christian Ponder in college, just a year older. And while you would be totally shocked how much of a difference a year makes in terms of total career value (I think it's something like 30-40%), a fourth or a fifth round pick on Yates would have been a bargain. Same with Pat Devlin or Scott Tolzien, who both went undrafted. All of this assumes the Redskins took Ryan Mallett off their draft board, because let's face it, the Redskins under Shanahan have never spent a high pick on a guy with the dreaded 'character issues.' Or something.