Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them?
 

[QUOTE=htownskinfan]found these stats on kickers,out of the free agents,vinateri had the most tb's,and apparently frost can kickoff,he did twice this yr with a slightly higher avg than hall,also novaks avg was worse than hall and frost
[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/K-KICKOFFS/2005/regular"]http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/NFL/K-KICKOFFS/2005/regular[/url][/QUOTE]

That stat means nothing because Frost has only taken 2 kickoffs, his average could go either up or down with more kicks so we do not know. It is always a better bet to go with the vet, maybe he will do better next season, but the trends have shown he is going downhill.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]How anyone could want Frost over any other punter in the league is beyond sense. He was the worst punter we have had in this town since Theisman tried to punt one. He is terrible plain and simple. There is no way around it.[/QUOTE]

As of late, execluding the 14 yard punt in Tampa, he has done very well for us. We are writing him off too soon, if anything we should keep him and see how things go. He has slowly improved, and he did well for us in Seattle. Give the kid a chance, and see how he does, all signs seem to indicate he will only improve.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]frost is wildly inconsistant and novak gets WAY too many kicks blocked, neither one would be an upgrade, they're both barely in the nfl.[/QUOTE]
A voice of reason!

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[QUOTE=dgack]Maybe Novak will never be better than Hall (I question whether that is really true or not). He certainly can't cost us as much, and he's not a gimp, I know that much. And frankly, we've had plenty of time to get used to Hall's deficiencies.
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What eveidence have you seen that gives you any impression that he will ever be any better than Hall is right now? There hasn't been any if you are honest with yourself. He is an average kicker at best. His leg strength is not going to go up all off a sudden and he has no experience. I am not advocating keeping Hall for sure but Novak is not any better.
[QUOTE=dgack]
But it seems kind of lame to just settle for a guy who has become mediocre just because he's comfortably mediocre.[/QUOTE]
It's also lame to settle for a guy who is mediocre just because he is cheaply mediocre.

Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them?
 

The skins have done everything in their power to keep Hall on the team, they are not going to dump him after missing 1 FG.

Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them?
 

[QUOTE=FRPLG]What eveidence have you seen that gives you any impression that he will ever be any better than Hall is right now? There hasn't been any if you are honest with yourself. He is an average kicker at best. His leg strength is not going to go up all off a sudden and he has no experience. I am not advocating keeping Hall for sure but Novak is not any better.

It's also lame to settle for a guy who is mediocre just because he is cheaply mediocre.[/QUOTE]

I didn't mean to endorse Novak in that thread necessarily, he just comes to mind because he kicked reasonably well for us in Hall's absence and he was good at UMD.

Looking at his numbers this year it's clear Novak was not awesome. I was just pointing out that Hall is going to be getting paid a ton of cash to basically be slightly better than average. And unfortunately I don't see the obvious quality alternatives being any cheaper.

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I think Vinatieri would be a great pickup but would cost. Question is whether the cost would be worth it. Are there any college kickers with actual good legs who could be options?

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novak's kickoffs were also short. if u all want someone to replace hall on kickoffs, then novak isnt the answer. however, he seemed to be solid at fgs, but he did get 2 blocked...i dont think that was a fluke

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I think Vinatieri would be a great pickup but would cost. Question is whether the cost would be worth it. Are there any college kickers with actual good legs who could be options?[/QUOTE]

Dream on if you think we can afford Vinetieri. We have other positions to upgrade at (WR, DE, OL). If Hall is going to be replaced, it will be with someone cheaper.

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frost really came on at the end of the year,so he stays.isnt there one single kicker in college we can get cheap(doesnt anyone in college kick field goals anymore?)hall has got to go,too much money,always hurt and lately not dependable anymore

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Both Frost and Novak are young and it'd be good to let them develop a little bit.

Like someone said earlier, Frost started to come on later in the year.