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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]wow, they are pretty darn close in a bunch of stats.[/QUOTE]

Except Martin has played two years less (11 years to Bettis' 13 years), has 439 yards more rushing, 1880 more receiving yards. and 6 more combined rushing and receiving TDs. If Martin isn't a HOFer, I don't know who is.

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Receptions: 5 th all time
Receiving yards: 9 th all time
Nuff said!

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[QUOTE=saden1]Except Martin has played two years less (11 years to Bettis' 13 years), has 439 yards more rushing, 1880 more receiving yards. and 6 more combined rushing and receiving TDs. If Martin isn't a HOFer, I don't know who is.[/QUOTE]


martin has definately put together a very impressive career, i'd say people in ny would want him in just as bad as poeple around dc want monk in.

looking at the stats, i don't see how either one of them(monk, martin) can not be voted in.

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[QUOTE=saden1]I'm I missing something or does [URL=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/MartCu00.htm]Martin[/URL] have better numbers than [URL=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/BettJe00.htm]Bettis[/URL]?[/QUOTE]

Let me throw Marshall Faulk into the mix, does he get in?

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I'd say Faulk, Monk, Martin, and Bettis are all in...

Isn't Faulk like top-3 all time in combined yards from scrimmage (with Brian Mitchell in there of course too)

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Marshall Faulk isn't even a question. Monk, Martin, & Bettis never dominated their position like Faulk. Plus Faulk carried the Rams to a title.


I think that Bettis should get in before Martin. The Steelers have been a contender for years on his shoulders. My problem with Martin is that I have never considered him an elite back (I guess Bettis isn't either but his teams have been consistently better).

Honestly, you could make a case that neither should make it. Monk, should definitely make it before both of them. He has the rings...

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[QUOTE=backrow]I missed something in the translation.

I thought the thread was about PK not voting for Art Monk, and the D. Patrick show. I totally missed how TO quietly crept in.

And you and I disagree sir. Art Monk deserves to be in the HOF, hands down! [/QUOTE]

to be fair skins052bgr8 was saying it was bs for TO to be considered in the same conversation with Monk and deserving to be in the HOF.

I think PK's argument was pretty weak, cuz I'm sure that for a lot of players going to the HOF, it's mainly just the area around where he played that cares a lot about whether or not said player gets voted in. I know there r a couple non-redskins here and there that I hope get in but the main ones I keep an eye out for are former great Skins and I'm pretty sure most fans of the nfl are like that. All I'm saying is if Darrel Green gets anything like the shaft job Monk has gotten, I will be among the many skins fan sending letter after letter to the HOF and it's voters and will even do protests if need be.

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[QUOTE=saden1]Curtis Martin is a HOFer.[/QUOTE]
I'd agree. Is he a better HOFer than Monk? Not even close. That's the point.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I'd agree. Is he a better HOFer than Monk? Not even close. That's the point.[/QUOTE]

yeah I agree cuz while I think Martin is a heck of a rb, Monk retired in the top 5 in all of the important wr statistics and in some cases even the all time leader at the time and that's despite the team having several good recievers and the team running the ball the majority of the time.

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Saying Harry Carson should be in is like saying Mel Kauffman should be in. These New York guys really live in a world of their own. What we need to do is pick an anti-Monk voter at random and give the guy the business for a solid year and then pick another and so on.

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PK is an A-hole. Of course the home town of your team is going to be the most vocal. Plus it's not supposed to be a popularity contest. I'ts about what you did as a player. Plus he contradicts himself every other sentence. What a di-k.

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Anybody notice that Carson, Martin and Bruschii are guys from PK's neck of the woods? It's no wonder he makes crazy statements like "he hasn't heard of people outside of DC argue for his case". I use to read MMQB every week for about a year or so but he's blatant bias of Northeastern sports figures started to turn my stomach. I go to church expecting the minister to slip up and call Jesus by his true name "Tom Brady". Peter King is dead to me.

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Did anyone catch PK's last statement on Monk?

"If it were only me, Art Monk would be in the HOF. There are obviously other people on the committee, members who think he's a marginal candidate for the HOF."

What a cop-out. He still didn't provide a single valid reason for not voting for Monk.

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]Did anyone catch PK's last statement on Monk?

"If it were only me, Art Monk would be in the HOF. There are obviously other people on the committee, members who think he's a marginal candidate for the HOF."

What a cop-out. He still didn't provide a single valid reason for not voting for Monk.[/QUOTE]

yeah I noticed him saying that too, but it just speaks of what type of a pitiful person PK is that he has never voted for a guy he says if it was up to him Monk would be in. BS just contiously spews from his mouth and is another example of why the voting power of sports journalists needs to be reduced or all together removed.

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[QUOTE=skinsfanthru&thru]yeah I noticed him saying that too, but it just speaks of what type of a pitiful person PK is that he has never voted for a guy he says if it was up to him Monk would be in. BS just contiously spews from his mouth and is another example of why the voting power of sports journalists needs to be reduced or all together removed.[/QUOTE]

I think the journalists are the best source for HOF voting because more so than any group, they are the most unbiased. Players are too caught up in their own world to see the league as a whole over time and letting fans vote would have the HOF end up like the MLB all-star game full of popular but maybe not great players. The HOF voting is not perfect by any means but its as good as it can be.