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[QUOTE=Huddle]
The guys with the big reps are high risk because of injuries. Rivers hasn't played a down yet in the NFL, has he? Schuab and Volek haven't shown much.

I have a hunch that Ramsey will draw strong interest but that might simply be because I'm still high on him.[/QUOTE]


volek has shown a lot more than ramsey. 26/13 TD/int vs 34/29, 60.3% completion vs 55.7%...

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[QUOTE=Huddle]Well, guess what? Joe Gibbs obviously doesn't think much of Ramsey. How much value do you think he expects to get for him? How hard will it be to make an acceptable trade?[/QUOTE]

well it kinda nukes the ramsey has control of his trade arguement, since he has to play for his future contract and any team he wants to go to has to offer value equal to what the club he doesn't want to go to offers.

Right now there's no way he'll want a long term contract since it'd be worth pennies. Theonly thing he could possibly ask for is a chance to start this season... and i doubt most teams are going to make offers that don't need a tarting QB (even if only as a stopgap). If he likes his destination, it'll only be coincidental.

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yeah i remember in 2004 when mcnair was injured, volek stepped in and was awesome with drew bennett. I'd love to have him as a backup qb. this year bennett didn't do anything with mcnair at qb.

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[QUOTE=mooby]yeah i remember in 2004 when mcnair was injured, volek stepped in and was awesome with drew bennett. I'd love to have him as a backup qb. this year bennett didn't do anything with mcnair at qb.[/QUOTE]
he also didnt have mason on the other side this year

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Drew Brees, Daunte Culpepper are both big options.
Ramsey, Schuab (if ATL deals him), Rivers (possible if no one bites on Brees), Pennington (I'd never take him, but someone will), Volek (if TN is willing to deal, which if Young is #1 on their list, they probably will). All these guys could pull more interest than Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

A couple of other guys who could be on the market that have shown more than Ramsey are Griese and Kerry Collins. I think That Guy put it best, if Ramsey goes to a team he likes it will be coincidental. I'm sure the Redskins will take into consideration where he'd like to be traded to, but in the end they have to do what's best for the Washington Redskins, not Patrick Ramsey.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]volek has shown a lot more than ramsey. 26/13 TD/int vs 34/29, 60.3% completion vs 55.7%...[/QUOTE]

With selected stats, you can prove anything. However, Volek might well be worth more on the market than Ramsey if his knee will pass a medical exam.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]A couple of other guys who could be on the market that have shown more than Ramsey are Griese and Kerry Collins. I think That Guy put it best, if Ramsey goes to a team he likes it will be coincidental. I'm sure the Redskins will take into consideration where he'd like to be traded to, but in the end they have to do what's best for the Washington Redskins, not Patrick Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

So, if Ramsey won't sign a new agreement, what teams do you think would be possible trade partners, interested in renting him for a year?

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[QUOTE=That Guy]well it kinda nukes the ramsey has control of his trade arguement, since he has to play for his future contract and any team he wants to go to has to offer value equal to what the club he doesn't want to go to offers.
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Here's the scenario:

Ramsey is willing to sign a two or three year deal with team A but not with B. Don't you agree that his value to team A is higher and therefore they are in a better position to compensate the Redskins than team B?

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[QUOTE=Huddle]So, if Ramsey won't sign a new agreement, what teams do you think would be possible trade partners, interested in renting him for a year?[/QUOTE]

Well the Dolphins or Jets are the most commonly mentioned. Particularly if let's say one of them is able to draft Jay Cutler. The Saints would fall into that category (by the way, might as well add Aaron Brooks to the list of QBs that could be available this spring). And that might be where he'd like to be, since it's close to home. And if the Raiders do part ways with Kerry Collins, I'd be really surprised if they think the answer is Tuiasosopo.

Then there's the other extreme. He goes somewhere where he sits for one more year but takes over in 2007. If the Vikings part ways with Daunte, they'll have 38 year old Brad Johnson behind center, the Chiefs have 36 year old Trent Green. How many more years do those guys have?

Re: Does Ramsey Have Some Trade Control?
 

[QUOTE=Huddle]With selected stats, you can prove anything. However, Volek might well be worth more on the market than Ramsey if his knee will pass a medical exam.[/QUOTE]

those are their career stats, how are you suppposed to measure QBs? instead of decrying the arguement just because it doesn't support your point, how about rebutting it with actual facts?

volek - 278.8ypg (including 426 and 492 yard games)
ramsey - 206.11ypg

the only stat ramsey has thats better is w/l, volek is 3-7, ramsey is 9-13 (discounting the two games he started but left with injury immediately)
neither one has a great w/l and the skins have generally been more talented.

Re: Does Ramsey Have Some Trade Control?
 

[QUOTE=Huddle]Here's the scenario:

Ramsey is willing to sign a two or three year deal with team A but not with B. Don't you agree that his value to team A is higher and therefore they are in a better position to compensate the Redskins than team B?[/QUOTE]

ramsey would be a moron to sign a new deal with anyone because if he thinks he can start, whatever contract he'll get will be for peanuts and he'll lose his 1.6mill payday. If any team is offering him a good contract he'll sign it regardless of where it is. The skins only care about what they'll get, not what ramsey wants or his new contract. Ramsey isn't Brady or Peyton, he has no power to name his conditions. He'd happily accept any good contract offer or be the rented mule in hopes of getting a much better deal in 2007...

speaking of which, signing a new deal when the NFL might go uncapped would also be a bad idea.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Well the Dolphins or Jets are the most commonly mentioned. Particularly if let's say one of them is able to draft Jay Cutler. The Saints would fall into that category (by the way, might as well add Aaron Brooks to the list of QBs that could be available this spring). And that might be where he'd like to be, since it's close to home. And if the Raiders do part ways with Kerry Collins, I'd be really surprised if they think the answer is Tuiasosopo.

Then there's the other extreme. He goes somewhere where he sits for one more year but takes over in 2007. If the Vikings part ways with Daunte, they'll have 38 year old Brad Johnson behind center, the Chiefs have 36 year old Trent Green. How many more years do those guys have?[/QUOTE]

I think you misunderstood the question.

I asked which teams might be interested in trading for Ramsey in the final year of his contract assuming he would not sign a new deal with them. I'm certain you don't think that all those teams would give up a draft pick or a useful player for Ramsey given those conditions.

Re: Does Ramsey Have Some Trade Control?
 

[QUOTE=Huddle]I think you misunderstood the question.

I asked which teams might be interested in trading for Ramsey in the final year of his contract assuming he would not sign a new deal with them. I'm certain you don't think that all those teams would give up a draft pick or a useful player for Ramsey given those conditions.[/QUOTE]

I see. But why do you think he would be so choosy? He's still young and just wants a chance to play I believe. I don't think this is a case of him being someone at the end of his career and just waning to play in front of his home crowd, or wanting one last shot at a ring.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]ramsey would be a moron to sign a new deal with anyone because if he thinks he can start, whatever contract he'll get will be for peanuts and he'll lose his 1.6mill payday. If any team is offering him a good contract he'll sign it regardless of where it is. [/QUOTE]

You say "Ramsey would be a moron to sign a new contract with anyone..." and then "If any team is offering him a good contract he'll sign it regardless of where it is." Didn't you just contradict yourself?

Anyway. The smart move for Patrick IMO would be to sign a two-year deal with a team that might best support him in establishing himself as a bona fide starting QB. The Skins would be well-served to trade with teams of Ramsey's choice because his willingness to sign a two or three year deal would enhance his current market value.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I see. But why do you think he would be so choosy? He's still young and just wants a chance to play I believe. I don't think this is a case of him being someone at the end of his career and just waning to play in front of his home crowd, or wanting one last shot at a ring.[/QUOTE]

Pride and Money.

Let's say he signs a three-year deal with the Jets. That works for the Skins but not for Ramsey. Given the Jets current state, we can predict that they will be bottom feeders for the next three years and that their losses would principally be blamed on the QB. What does that do for his pride and how much is he worth when that deal expires.