Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production?
 

[QUOTE=Monksdown]The title of this thread is enough to get you laughed at. Exactly what does that mean?

Are you saying that Chris Cooley's high production with an offensive line that was just a little banged up, will be less with the same offensive line when it's completely healthy?

I mean, it's fun to argue and all, but you don't have a point.[/QUOTE]


It's a valid point.
Are you saying we arent going to double strahan or Uminyora? If we are doubling one of the(or both) who will be blocking? if cooley is blocking, is it save to say his production will be down? If cooley isnt blocking, is it safe to say he is by the cheerleaders on the sidelines?

what about demarcus ware for dallas?can our guys handle him one on one? Javon kearse?

Sometimes people are so narrow minded. Football is chess not checkers people...

Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production?
 

I can't tell if you're serious about this. Portis did break the Redskins single season rushing record. That can't be done with a crappy o-line. Someone in the Redskins front office seems to think Samuels is good for him to receive that huge contract ("Redskin for life!").In no way are they one of the best o-lines (Seattle, KC) but they are definitely above average.

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[quote=jamf]It's a valid point.
Are you saying we arent going to double strahan or Uminyora? If we are doubling one of the(or both) who will be blocking? if cooley is blocking, is it save to say his production will be down? If cooley isnt blocking, is it safe to say he is by the cheerleaders on the sidelines?

what about demarcus ware for dallas?can our guys handle him one on one? Javon kearse?

Sometimes people are so narrow minded. Football is chess not checkers people...[/quote]

Do you know how KC did it ? (not a rhetorical or sarcastic question)

I honestly don't know.

Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production?
 

[quote=jamf]It's a valid point.
Are you saying we arent going to double strahan or Uminyora? If we are doubling one of the(or both) who will be blocking? if cooley is blocking, is it save to say his production will be down? If cooley isnt blocking, is it safe to say he is by the cheerleaders on the sidelines?

what about demarcus ware for dallas?can our guys handle him one on one? Javon kearse?

Sometimes people are so narrow minded. Football is chess not checkers people...[/quote]
Cooley got 774 yards with that same o-line last year and they will only be better. The line handled those players last year fine and if we need an extra TE to block Fauria can do it. Cooley will block about as much as Gonzalez did last year, just like someone else said before this.

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That's the key to it: how did kc do it ? And can the skins oline do the same ? I'm hoping and assuming they can.

Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production?
 

I think we can assume that Cooley is going to be the primary receiving TE, and Fauria will be the primary blocking TE.

Cooley will likely be in motion alot to present defenses with matchup problems. Saunders knows how to utilize a TE, so my guess is we won't see Cooley tangled up with defensive ends too often.

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[quote=jamf]We have some talent on the line but they dont play like it. God I hate the left side...

My question is:
With 3 WR's, CP in the backfield and Cooley at TE, Is saunders going to keep cooley on the line to help block?
Portis is a great blocker but I think its safe to say that we would rather have the ball in his hands than cooleys.

I'm worried that Cooleys production will mostly come from 2nd and short plays.
Ideally, I would love to see cooley go down field taking a safety with him leaving the middle open for our WR's or vice versa, have our WR's take the safety deep and leave cooley over the middle being covered by a linebacker but I dont see our O-Line giving brunell enough time.

man its late, im going to sleep :([/quote]



You guys sure do worry an awful lot. You are worse than women!

Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production?
 

[QUOTE=jamf].......Sometimes people are so narrow minded. Football is chess not checkers people...[/QUOTE]

Football is also a team sport, for Super Bowl winning teams it is not be about individuals, it is about the team.
So why are so worried about Cooley? What about the team as a whole and winning the Super Bowl? If Cooley has to block - so be it.
It is part of the job description for a tight end anyway.

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Our line has def underachieved many times, and playing devils' advocate, Portis did break alot of records, bc he touched the ball ALOT, he had alot of carries. But the line still protected Brunell well, and got us through the season. Are we the best? No but we are one of the better lines in the league. Compare this line to the one we had with Spurrier(his plays took too long as well), our line is much better now. Now that we have more offensive threats, that will also take some pressure off the line, bc they have to cover all our recievers well.

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Im not worried about cooley. I would rather see speed guys with the ball in their hands...

But, cooley was an Hback last year, he didnt have to block. This year he will have blooking duties. Our line isnt as good as KC's if Gonzales was on our team he would probably have block more.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I'll go one step further and say that suggesting that our line is crappy is downright crazy and makes no sense. First off, if we need a tight end to do some blocking for us, then Fauria will come in the game. Cooley will be expected to block about as often as Tony Gonzalez was expected to block.

Samuels is slightly overrated, but he's still a very good left tackle. He blocks all above average DEs in the game, the only guys he has trouble with are the superstars like Simeon Rice. Dockery is not a pass protection liability, he's so big that not too many DTs can get by him. The knock on Dockery in the past was always his discipline - too many penalties. But he curtailed that stuff last year, he was much better. He could still stand to improve his technique to harness all his power in run blocking, but overall he's solid. Rabach is unspectacular but solid, he's quick enough to get to the LB level of the defense, and he makes all the right calls on the line. Randy Thomas is a friggin beast, one of the best RGs in the game, big, athletic, and disciplined. Jansen is rock-solid, he struggles with guys like Strahan, but he can be relied on consistently.

Someone's going to have to convince me in what way our line is a weakness. That doesn't make any sense to me.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with your assessment of our starters, but if one of them goes down, we are in a load of trouble. We picked up two decent backups at guard (Pucillo from Cleveland and somebody from Houston). But we lack a true backup at tackle and center. Lefotu (our sixth round pick) can play any position on the line but isn't a high quality backup, and our best option at tackle is Jim Molinaro (who isn't highly rated as far as I know). I hope we add a little depth through free agency.

Re: Will Our crappy O-Line kill cooleys production?
 

[quote=Schneed10]I'll go one step further and say that suggesting that our line is crappy is downright crazy and makes no sense. First off, if we need a tight end to do some blocking for us, then Fauria will come in the game. Cooley will be expected to block about as often as Tony Gonzalez was expected to block.[/quote]

Thanks for saving e-ink by making my point for me! Amen!

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Everyone forgets that Saunders employed a fullback fairly often. Anybody remember Tony Richardson? How many Pro Bowls did he make as a fullback? I'm fairly confident Mike Sellers can handle those duties. Still not sure what the answer is to that double team question, but I highly doubt Portis, Cooley and all three wideouts will run routes on passing plays. I expect if the team uses Sellers in a blocking capacity, any one of the halfback, tight end, or receivers will leave the field to accommodate that demand. As for the questions about KC's offensive success: I think that an elite o-line coupled with solid RBs and ultimately excellent play calling and scheming was responsible for the team's offensive success. With our starting o-line going into its third year together, I'm sure we'll be fine. And RB is a definite strength for us. As for play calling and scheming, Gibbs, Saunders, etc. will make it happen. Why is everybody so worried?

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[quote=jamf]It's a valid point.
Are you saying we arent going to double strahan or Uminyora? If we are doubling one of the(or both) who will be blocking? if cooley is blocking, is it save to say his production will be down? If cooley isnt blocking, is it safe to say he is by the cheerleaders on the sidelines?

what about demarcus ware for dallas?can our guys handle him one on one? Javon kearse?

Sometimes people are so narrow minded. Football is chess not checkers people...[/quote]

Thank you for that. I didnt realize the complexities of the game until you described them to me. I'll defer, but not to you.

And I forgot why we overpayed for a blocking TE this offseason. And all of last season, I didnt see Clinton and Chris both help the tackles out briefly and then release into the flat or right over the middle to pick up first downs. Call me narrow minded again, prick, and we can debate something more important than your analysis of my analysis on something neather of us understands.

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[QUOTE=Monksdown] Call me narrow minded again, prick, and we can debate something more important than your analysis of my analysis on something neather of us understands.[/QUOTE]
would question 3 be a good topic?