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Yeah, they seem to always be recovering from their mistakes. Are they lacking the anticipation??? Do you think that troy vincent should get the nod over archuleta this sunday, I feel like he might compliment taylor more than Arch.

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See, forget speed. I'm all about drafting TALENT.

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[quote=The Zimmermans;237806]Yeah, they seem to always be recovering from their mistakes. Are they lacking the anticipation??? Do you think that troy vincent should get the nod over archuleta this sunday, I feel like he might compliment taylor more than Arch.[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised to see quite a bit of Vincent down the stretch, at least in passing situations.

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[quote=Mattyk72;237798]Speed is overrated. Position is what matters. Our guys in the secondary aren't suffering from a lack of speed, they're simply out of position too much.[/quote]I think we can win with the corners we have. They do lack speed, but they are bigger and more physical than the NFL average and will come up and pop you in the run game.

We need to get back to the blitzing style that won us games. Blitz, man. If they beat it, blitz again.

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[quote=FRPLG;237605]Caesserly is a hack. What has he ever done? He won a SB with a team he didn't build. Then set forth to ruin a franchise throughout the mid 90s. He was as responsible as anyone for the teams struggles until Gibbs finally came back.[/quote]

Trading down would be a great idea becasue of so many needs. But the current braintrust isn't smart enough to do that. Bringing Charlie back would be a good idea. He knows more about today's NFL/ College than anyone they currently have. And you can put Norv in the blame game for the 90's. Norv wanted Shuler/Westbrook. He thought they were going to be Aikman and Irvin. But I would try and get someone from Balt. Chicago or New England front office. Someone with disipline and fiscal responsiblity that knows how to draft. I believe Bobby DePaul works in Chicago's front office and he is mostly responsible for building the current Bears team. He once worked for the Skins many year ago.

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Actually between Casserly and Norv. One wanted Dilfer/Westbrook the other wanted Shuler/Galloway so they basically compromised. But that's in the past

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If they had salary cap problems (which they don't) wouldn't it make sense to sign 1 first rounder instead of a 1st and 2nd?

Anyway, I think they need to focus on the O-line and defensive lines period.

Look at the g-men last year. They had a bunch of clowns playing LB (after Pierce was hurt) but they still won the division (didn't help against the Panthers...). Look at the Panthers. Their linebackers are comical and the secondary is mediocre at best but the line keeps them competitive.

Since we are stuck with Carter for a few years, is there any way we could use him as a linebacker? He obviously cannot play the line in our scheme. Why compound a mistake by continuing to play him there.

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[QUOTE=Grim21Reaper;237982]If they had salary cap problems (which they don't) wouldn't it make sense to sign 1 first rounder instead of a 1st and 2nd?

Anyway, I think they need to focus on the O-line and defensive lines period.

Look at the g-men last year. They had a bunch of clowns playing LB (after Pierce was hurt) but they still won the division (didn't help against the Panthers...). Look at the Panthers. Their linebackers are comical and the secondary is mediocre at best but the line keeps them competitive.

Since we are stuck with Carter for a few years, is there any way we could use him as a linebacker? He obviously cannot play the line in our scheme. Why compound a mistake by continuing to play him there.[/QUOTE]

I understand what you're saying about the salaries of a 1st and 2nd rounders. However, I think it's a little unrealistic to think we could trade down for a lower first AND a second round pick (unless we have a top 3-5 pick). I think a lower first and a third is more likely. In that case, the salaries of a low first and a third will be comparable to the salary of a high first.

I agree that lines should be the main focus. IMO, O-line, D-line, and RB are the most important pieces of a great team (a smart QB is necessary, a good QB is a luxury). I also think they should try to play carter at LB ... he isn't doing squat at DE, but we should probably wait a few more games before passing judgement (after all, it is his first year here).

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[quote=skinsfan69;237952]Trading down would be a great idea becasue of so many needs. But the current braintrust isn't smart enough to do that. Bringing Charlie back would be a good idea. He knows more about today's NFL/ College than anyone they currently have. And you can put Norv in the blame game for the 90's. Norv wanted Shuler/Westbrook. He thought they were going to be Aikman and Irvin. But I would try and get someone from Balt. Chicago or New England front office. Someone with disipline and fiscal responsiblity that knows how to draft. I believe Bobby DePaul works in Chicago's front office and he is mostly responsible for building the current Bears team. He once worked for the Skins many year ago.[/quote]

I agree with your assessment of Bobby DePaul, what about Ron Wolf? THe Green Bay Packers once GM- He brought in Holgren, Favre, etc...

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we need to see where our pick will be next year before we can discuss this

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Trading down is definitely the way to go; however, that is not the flashy move that will draw the press. It kills me how all the various analyst knock our team as the Superbowl Champions of the offseason, free-agency period. It also gets to me when knowledgeable fans of other teams use this knock on us, and there is no effective counter response, for it is true.

The irony is that the Redskins of the first Gibbs era, are the type of team like Patriots, Eagles, and Bears are now, solidly built through the draft, and blue-collar. The Snyderskins are all flash and no substance, the team is going to have chemistry and other problems until they finally get out of the offseason free-agent spending spree madness.

I am sure someone will point out that Jack Kent Cooke spent money, and yes he did, but he spent money to retain players, which is why those old Redskins teams were so good, they had a core of players who played there whole career in burgundy and gold. In my own opinion this is one of the BIG problems with the Skins, and it is not going to be fixed any time soon.

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well said, but "snyder isnt the problem" according to many fans, however, snyder hasnt won.....coincidence?????

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[quote=The Zimmermans;238272]well said, but "snyder isnt the problem" according to many fans, however, snyder hasnt won.....coincidence?????[/quote]
We need to bring in a GM to provide adult supervision over Gibbs/Snyder regarding personnel and cap management, one who is steadfast about rebuilding via the draft. Until we do that, we will continue to be "The Champions of March" and hit or miss when the games count.

Champ Bailey wanted out after going thru changes every offseason, new coaches, new players, same underachieving results. Snyder will NEVER learn that building a stable core and keeping the same coaches on for more than 1 or 2 years is the real key to success. He'd rather gas up Redskin One every March and go on a jet-set spending spree. That approach is good for his bottom line - he can market somebody new every year, and create hype that the latest additions will put the team over the top.

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EXACTLY, winning the right way would cost him too much invested time, time is money. So he puts out an appealing product every year, figuring it will increase merchandise spending and attendance.

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[quote=Beemnseven;237602]Trading down out of a really high first rounder to get multiple picks would require some degree of ingenuity from the front office. I wouldn't trust this crowd to do such a thing.

Casserly could do it. Wonder if Danny could throw him a few million, make him forget about the past?[/quote]


Hahaha, having the most boring day at work, your sarcasm really brightened up my afternoon. Couldnt agree with you more!