Re: Gregg Williams has to go
 

When you watch our D on the field waiting for the opposing Offense to come to the line. There is NO sense of urgency. The only one with any apparent energy is ST. They look like they are just hanging out. I really don't think they are all that concerned about there performance (most of them).

Anyone remember Dexter Manley??? He could get the D pumped. That is the kind of intensity I would like to see

Re: Gregg Williams has to go
 

[QUOTE=chris36;249356]I dont think Gibbs will make anyone his scape goat. I think the bad player aquisitions are GW's fault. Carter and Archuletta were his hand picked guys. Those were the mistakes, made in free agency..[/QUOTE]

Gibbs as Pres has to have final say over any coaches recommensdations. Gibbs and the rest of the front office is as much to blame as GW.

Re: Gregg Williams has to go
 

Williams should not be making the personnel decisions, he should just be coaching, so it is Gibb's and Snyder's faults for letting him pick his players. I'd say just let him coach, and give him REAL talent, we know what he can do when he has talent. Now he has absolutely none.

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GW has been around this league long enough where he should be involved in evaluating and selecting his own players, I really don't see where that's a problem at all.

Seems like some people want to let him off the hook a little bit.

Don't get me wrong I'm not throwing him under the bus, but he's definitely not an innocent bystander this season.

Would I fire him? Definitely not.

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As long as he doesn't get fired I don't care who throws him under the bus, but he and saunders are great football minds, and with good D and O-lines there would be no problems at all this season...............BUT

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I can think of only one instance in history of the NFL where the guy coaching the player was also picking the players successfully (i.e. sustained playoff appearances and SB titles) and that is Shannahan in Denver. Mind you he hasn't won a title since Elway left, but Denver is consistently good year to year with Shannahan at the helm.

I can't think of another instance were the GM/Coach position hasn't failed, and I consider it to be the single biggest problem facing our skins. Gibbs has repeatedly shown that his talents lie in coaching and only coaching. No self respecting GM would ever allow the kind of FA spending and talent emigration that we have seen in Washington.

The solution is simple, but Danny will never do it because it means reducing his own roll as owner, but you need to get a sharp and strong-willed General manager to make ALL of the personnel decisions. Vinny gets demoted to 2nd Associate District Assistant Ball Washer, and Gibbs and crew stay as COACHES only. It all makes sense to me...wonder how much Scott Pioli wants after his contract expires this year?

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[QUOTE=Mc2guy;249412]I can think of only one instance in history of the NFL where the guy coaching the player was also picking the players successfully (i.e. sustained playoff appearances and SB titles) and that is Shannahan in Denver. Mind you he hasn't won a title since Elway left, but Denver is consistently good year to year with Shannahan at the helm.

I can't think of another instance were the GM/Coach position hasn't failed, and I consider it to be the single biggest problem facing our skins. Gibbs has repeatedly shown that his talents lie in coaching and only coaching. No self respecting GM would ever allow the kind of FA spending and talent emigration that we have seen in Washington.

The solution is simple, but Danny will never do it because it means reducing his own roll as owner, but you need to get a sharp and strong-willed General manager to make ALL of the personnel decisions. Vinny gets demoted to 2nd Associate District Assistant Ball Washer, and Gibbs and crew stay as COACHES only. It all makes sense to me...wonder how much Scott Pioli wants after his contract expires this year?[/QUOTE]

Excellent point about the GM/coach combo, it does not work. Both are 80 hour per week jobs and 1 man cant handle that load.

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[quote=irish;249418]Excellent point about the GM/coach combo, it does not work. Both are 80 hour per week jobs and 1 man cant handle that load.[/quote]

Another good point to follow up that point. With all these different coaches choosing who they want, there is a complete mixup in team chemistry and identity. Saunders needs more mobile linemen to run that offense, while gibbs needs big bruisers to run his style offense. williams wants proven veterans that respect him, while all the defensive talent lies in the draft. And some of those players will have egos. One GM for both sides of the ball will help solve that problem and reestablish team identity.

Re: Gregg Williams has to go
 

[quote=chris36;249356]I dont think Gibbs will make anyone his scape goat. I think the bad player aquisitions are GW's fault. Carter and Archuletta were his hand picked guys. Those were the mistakes, made in free agency..[/quote]

yeah, if he really recruited AA & AC he needs to be held accountable for that, but he's still a great strategist.

Don't forget that GW signed a contract which pays him big $ if he's NOT hired as head coach after Gibbs' leaves. Let's look on the bright side. If and when that day comes, GW will have hopefully learned his lesson on evaluating talent & leave the job to someone else. I mean evaluating college talent is really hard, but guys already in the nfl? There is plenty of tape & networking info available. There's no excuse for not knowing another nfl player's abilities.

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I love when guys write a blog and quote people but fail to say who made the statement. Its like they make things up to back up their opinions and do they really let theses guys on the field as they warm up for pratice. Do we really think that this talented coaching staff cannot see their mistakes and are too dumb to know how and fix them. I still go back to the short and easy training camp which started our problems and I believe Gibbs has said that won't happen again. We have a team that has lost their confidence and they are all second guessing what they are doing on the field which is a big problem.

Re: Gregg Williams has to go
 

I guess the question I would have to ask is if Gibbs left and another coach came in and again it didnt work out so Gibbs said he'll come back for a 3rd time, would skins fans be excited?

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I respect your opinion. However, I don't agree with it in this instance. I would definitely keep Coach Williams. I'm sure he is making a list of good players and not-so-good players ... and checking it twice.

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This has just been a season of everything that could possibly go wrong, went wrong. Yes It has been difficult to deal with, but all teams go thru a process like this. To fire a mainstay in the org doesn't make sense. We are trying to build stability in the organization, and it would be dumb diddly dumb to bring in a whole new defensive scheme for next year.

Re: Gregg Williams has to go
 

[QUOTE=Oakland Red;249207][URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/"]Redskins Insider[/URL]

Jason LaCanfora points out some of the serious mistakes that Gregg Williams has made in terms of personnel, and it seems that the defense is no longer playing hard under his leadership.

I think that Joe Gibbs is going to ask Williams to leave after the season. There isn't any way we can go forward with him at the helm. The players don't seem to respond to him, he has made some very poor personnel decisions, his fairness is in question, and the field tactics he uses may no longer be adequate.[/QUOTE]

This is absolutely rediculous...He carried the team the 1st couple seasons and now after one bad year he is overboard. I would give him a lesser say in talent evaluation but I would not let him go as coach.

Re: Gregg Williams has to go
 

[QUOTE=celts32;249475]This is absolutely rediculous...He carried the team the 1st couple seasons and now after one bad year he is overboard. I would give him a lesser say in talent evaluation but I would not let him go as coach.[/QUOTE]

Too right. Williams kept this team afloat by building one of the best defenses in the league with a pretty average set of players. Realistically, he has one very good player (Washington) and one possibly great player (Taylor) and a lot of servicable players and he managed to create a great D. This year has been poor and he may have made mistakes but he has proved that he knows what he is doing. To get rid of him would be madness.

On the issue of bringing the FAs in, how much say did he have?