Re: Mark Brunell booed
 

[quote=Longtimefan;265597]That was one of our topics of conversation on the way home from the game last night, and I concur with those who viewed the booing of Brunell as classless. We were reminding each other of how this has been the case with QB's for a long time with some of our fans. We were there when they were booing Billy in favor of Sonny, and some of those used to get real ugly. It's not the right thing to do in my opinion, but it seems to be the nature of the beast. It has always seemed to be reserved for the QB's.[/quote]

I'll say this last thing about it, and I'll leave it alone...maybe.

Booing in general is pretty much accepted and expected. For instance, is it all right to boo Donavan McNabb if he's driving down the field on us giving his team a chance to win? Is it right to boo the visiting team as they come out of the tunnel to take the field? Well, then where do we draw the line on who get's booed? If it's wrong to boo Mark Brunell, then it's certainly wrong to boo McNabb because we know his family is in the stands too, right?

If it's generally excepted in public sports arenas, and it is, then everyone and anyone is fair game. I think it just hits close to home when we turn on one of our own.

Re: Mark Brunell booed
 

[QUOTE=12thMan;265611]I'll say this last thing about it, and I'll leave it alone...maybe.

Booing in general is pretty much excepted and expected. For instance, is it all right to boo Donavan McNabb if he's driving down the field on us giving his team a chance to win? Is it right to boo the visiting team as they come out of the tunnel to take the field? Well, then where do we draw the line on who get's booed? If it's wrong to boo Mark Brunell, then it's certainly wrong to boo McNabb because we know his family is in the stands too, right?

If it's generally excepted in public sports arenas, and it is, then everyone and anyone is fair game. I think it just hits close to home when we turn on one of our own.[/QUOTE]


I, for one would agree with you 12thMan that "booing" is generall accepted, as well as expected in most arena's where teams, or players from the oposiotion are performing because we view that as "booing" within the spirit of competition. However, in our discussion last night, we were viewing the "booing" of Brunell as more of a personal attack, and a vendeta geared towards his past performances as a Redskin. There is a subtle difference there.

Re: Mark Brunell booed
 

[quote=Longtimefan;265623]I, for one would agree with you 12thMan that "booing" is generall accepted, as well as expected in most arena's where teams, or players from the oposiotion are performing because we view that as "booing" within the spirit of competition. However, in our discussion last night, we were viewing the "booing" of Brunell as more of a personal attack, and a vendeta geared towards his past performances as a Redskin. There is a subtle difference there.[/quote]


I agree with you there. And I think that's generally where the line get's blurred. We feel a sense of entitlement for whatever reason. I think because there aren't any hard and fast rules about booing, your moral judgement has to kick in at some point.

Anyway, I can't believe I mis-spelled 'accepted'...how funny. I need to lay the pipe down!

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Pardon my spelling of generally & oposition.....Thanks.
Sometimes I do not do a very good job of proof reading.

Re: Mark Brunell booed
 

[quote=Longtimefan;265623]I, for one would agree with you 12thMan that "booing" is generall accepted, as well as expected in most arena's where teams, or players from the oposiotion are performing because we view that as "booing" within the spirit of competition. However, in our discussion last night, we were viewing the "booing" of Brunell as more of a personal attack, and a vendeta geared towards his past performances as a Redskin. There is a subtle difference there.[/quote]

There is nothing subtle about the difference between booing the opponent and booing a player on your own team. You don't boo an individual on your own team who is coming [U]on to the field[/U] except in extreme cases. E.g., someone who says publicly they hate the team and want out. Other than that, you support the team.

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But I maintain, while the person Mark Brunell got booed last night, I think in some folks mind, it was their only chance to let the organization as a whole know how they feel about things in general. Apart from what he's done on the field as player, I think it's possible that Brunell represents all that's gone wrong for the Redskins in the last few years. Not that he's solely responsible, because he isn't, I think he's symbolic of a lot things to people.

Re: Mark Brunell booed
 

[QUOTE=onlydarksets;265628]There is nothing subtle about the difference between booing the opponent and booing a player on your own team. You don't boo an individual on your own team who is coming [U]on to the field[/U] except in extreme cases. E.g., someone who says publicly they hate the team and want out. Other than that, you support the team.[/QUOTE]



You're preaching to the Choir, because I agree with you wholeheartedly....

Re: Mark Brunell booed
 

[quote=Longtimefan;265632]You're preaching to the Choir, because I agree with you wholeheartedly....[/quote]

Damn, I suck at picking fights. ;)

Re: Mark Brunell booed
 

For what he's getting paid, he deserves it.
However, I do agree with the post that the entire defense deserved to be booed as well...what a horrible season for the D.

Re: Mark Brunell booed
 

[quote=12thMan;265419]
I think people do things they normally don't do when they get caught up. But it was most definitely unfair and classless.[/quote]

I dont, and most of the people I know dont do things they normally dont do :confused:. Anyway it was classless and embarassing as a fan to be associated with those who booed.

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[QUOTE=SkinEmAll;265665]I dont, and most of the people I know dont do things they normally dont do :confused:. Anyway it was classless and embarassing as a fan to be associated with those who booed.[/QUOTE]

I think you guys are overreacting...it's not like they threw stuff at him.

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[quote=12thMan;265392][B]I'm starting more than threads than Kidwell! I have to make my year end quota![/B]

It's sad what happened to Mark Brunell last night. Honestly, if I were at the game I'm not sure what I would have done. I think it's easy to sit back at home and say it was classless, although it most definitely was.

I imagine two things were going on in people's(is that a word) minds: People got caught up with what the masses were doing at the moment and decided to join in on the booing. Secondly, I think in the minds of people Mark Brunell is symbolic of what many 'think' is wrong with the Redskins this year. High priced, under achieving free agent. Perhaps he just represents it all in one person.

One thing's for sure no one get's praised or booed like a quarterback. It's going to always come back to the quarterback no matter what or no matter who he is. You could have a running back that stinks it up and a quarterback that stinks it up, the fans will blame the QB 99% of the time.

So while I think it was definitely directed at Brunell, I'm think there may have been a few more elements at play...of course, a few brews will always add fuel to the fire.[/quote]I've become notoious for my defense of Brunell over the past 2 1/2 months, so you guys can take this with a grain of salt, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

Look, I absolutely HATE the Denver Broncos. I was the happiest non-Chiefs fan in America when they got knocked from the playoff picture. But when Jay Cutler got knocked from the game, the Denver faithful gave Jake Plummer thunderous applause.

Mark Brunell 2006 (9 games): 162/260 (62.3%), 1789 yards (6.88 yards/attempt), 8 TDs, 4 INTs, 86.5 QB Rating (#11 in league)

Jake Plummer 2006 (12 games): 175/315 (55.6%), 1994 yards (6.33 yards/attempt), 11 TDs, 12 INTs, 70.5 QB Rating (#28 in league)

It's pretty damn near fact that Mark Brunell was playing better football at the time of his benching than Jake Plummer was. So for Plummer to recieve applause while Brunell gets booed just tells me (unfortuantely) that the Broncos fans understand the value of veteran leadership, and that Redskins fans simply do not. I'm going to stop short of admitting that they are smarter than us...

Luckily I can come to the Warpath, to a community of fans who, on the whole, are rational and intelligent, and understand just how classless that display was.

Happy New Year!

(A lasting reminder that 2006 is finally over)

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;265681]I've become notoious for my defense of Brunell over the past 2 1/2 months, so you guys can take this with a grain of salt, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

Look, I absolutely HATE the Denver Broncos. I was the happiest non-Chiefs fan in America when they got knocked from the playoff picture. But when Jay Cutler got knocked from the game, the Denver faithful gave Jake Plummer thunderous applause.

Mark Brunell 2006 (9 games): 162/260 (62.3%), 1789 yards (6.88 yards/attempt), 8 TDs, 4 INTs, 86.5 QB Rating (#11 in league)

Jake Plummer 2006 (12 games): 175/315 (55.6%), 1994 yards (6.33 yards/attempt), 11 TDs, 12 INTs, 70.5 QB Rating (#28 in league)

It's pretty damn near fact that Mark Brunell was playing better football at the time of his benching than Jake Plummer was. So for Plummer to recieve applause while Brunell gets booed just tells me (unfortuantely) that the Broncos fans understand the value of veteran leadership, and that Redskins fans simply do not. I'm going to stop short of admitting that they are smarter than us...
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#1, I watched the game (my wife is a Broncos fan) and I do not recall "thunderous applause".
#2, It's amazing how fast we forget just how bad Brunell played. If I had to take a guess, I'd guess that out of his 260 attempts, 240 of them (maybe more) were attempts of 10 yards or less. Honestly, he should have had over 70% completion when he was too much of a pussy to throw it downfield. We all remember the 22 straight completions, and 20 of them were 10 yards or less...well laaa-dee-daa. He got booed for his blatent disregard for the offensive system. He flat out refused to leave his confort zone, and utilyze his weapons. I wouldn't have booed him, but I don't blame a single soul for the dismal play of Brunell.
I am Mr. Stathead and use stats to prove points constantly, but you can't prove a thing with Brunell stats. You had to watch, and I didn't miss a single play.

Re: Mark Brunell booed
 

Boo the coaches, not Brunell. He sucked, but, really, he should not have been starting this year in the first place.

Re: Mark Brunell booed
 

[quote=onlydarksets;265689]Boo the coaches, not Brunell. He sucked, but, really, he should not have been starting this year in the first place.[/quote]


Thank you for preaching the truth.