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[quote=Grim21Reaper;273485]Looking at the Redskins Cap, this may sound silly but they are in great shape. They are currently 2.9 over (not counting Thrash's savings). If they didn't restructure one contract (which they will) they could cut Wynn and John Hall and be about 1.4 under. Not to mention, if you look at Canuck's sheet, there are 63 players on there. So the rumor that they will be scrambling to field a team just isn't true. Now, the depth isn't anything to write home about but at least they have some flexibility.

I forget which article it was but the one that said (paraphrasing) "the only reason a big name would go is if they choose to let them go" is spot on. The cap won't be driving that decision.

I love seeing a low dead cap number. It prevents your hands from being tied. I almost hope that if they release Brunell, they do it before March 1st then that 3.1 won't be hanging over them next year (which looks to be a much more challenging year from a cap perspective. I see Portis gone after '07).[/quote]

First paragraph I agree with, they're in fine shape with the cap. But Canuck's cap sheet only includes the highest 51 salaries (rule of 51). It doesn't include all 63 players in the bottom line number.

I would like to see the team restructure several of the big contracts and axe Brunell this year, for cap purposes, as well.

I disagree on 2008 being a tough cap year. They'll be in the same boat they are this year. There will be plenty of deals that can be restructured to clear up cap space just as they're doing this year.

The only reason things wouldn't work out with Jansen and Springs is if the team sends the message that they're not valued as highly as they used to be. Otherwise, I don't see why it wouldn't work out.

Let's everyone not jump the gun here, I personally have the strong suspicion that La Canfora doesn't know what he's talking about on the Jansen and Springs situation.

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[quote=Gmanc711;273480]Maybe I missed somthing, but I saw nothing in that article other than they were going to approach Jansen for a restructure, did I miss somthing?[/quote]
I think people are jumping over a litle side note that the guy added to his story abd right now there's nothing to worry about. I'm not sure what Jansen is set to be paid this year but I think its more than his worth as a free agent.

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[quote=firstdown;273548]I think people are jumping over a litle side note that the guy added to his story abd right now there's nothing to worry about. I'm not sure what Jansen is set to be paid this year but I think its more than his worth as a free agent.[/quote]

yeah it's funny how people are already making their post-Jansen plans, writing him off, etc.

I think we just need to calm down a second and wait this out.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;273553]yeah it's funny how people are already making their post-Jansen plans, writing him off, etc.

I think we just need to calm down a second and wait this out.[/QUOTE]

I agree. But, given the dearth of any news coming out of Redskins Park, we're latching on to anything at this point.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;273480]Maybe I missed somthing, but I saw nothing in that article other than they were going to approach Jansen for a restructure, did I miss somthing?[/QUOTE]


My feelings exactly. My guess is that Jansen has been amenable to simple restructures in the past, and he has a big enough contract to make a difference to the cap numbers.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;273340]Yeah, Wade was pretty decent. I think he heard that he would like to start, so if Jansen goes he could be our man.[/quote]

He played one game. Let's not get carried away here. Remember he was let go by the Texans.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;273654]He played one game. Let's not get carried away here. Remember he was let go by the Texans.[/QUOTE]

If Jansen goes (which is highly doubtful) Wade could end up being his replacement. We simply do not have the cap room to sign the 6th overall pick, Clements/Samuels, AND a great free agent RT. Besides, I do not know of any quality RTs on the market.

I didn't say the guy was great, I just said he could end up replacing Jansen were Jansen to be forced out.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;273665]If Jansen goes (which is highly doubtful) Wade could end up being his replacement. We simply do not have the cap room to sign the 6th overall pick, Clements/Samuels, AND a great free agent RT. Besides, I do not know of any quality RTs on the market.

I didn't say the guy was great, I just said he could end up replacing Jansen were Jansen to be forced out.[/quote]

We will have enough cap room to do all of that (if we want to), as long as we continue to restructure deals. Which definitely shouldn't be a problem.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;273676]We will have enough cap room to do all of that (if we want to), as long as we continue to restructure deals. Which definitely shouldn't be a problem.[/QUOTE]

You are assuming all the players want to restructure their contracts, which is what WP's LaCanfora might be hinting to: Some players may want to become FA's if the redskins restructure deal is not sweet enough.
Plus players like Jansen and Springs are getting older. Jansen level of play has suffered since his achillies, he is not the Pro-Bowl player of a few years ago.
Plus add Wade into the picture, he played well in his start and he is cheap. WP's LaCanfora is just speculating on these facts.
When you have a younger, cheaper decent player playing behind an expensive vet that is coming off a sub par season, anything can happen.
All speculation!
I am not saying Jansen will get cut. Some day Jansen will be off the team. Nothing is long term in this sport.

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[quote=Defensewins;274029]You are assuming all the players want to restructure their contracts, which is what WP's LaCanfora might be hinting to: Some players may want to become FA's if the redskins restructure deal is not sweet enough.
Plus players like Jansen and Springs are getting older. Jansen level of play has suffered since his achillies, he is not the Pro-Bowl player of a few years ago.
Plus add Wade into the picture, he played well in his start and he is cheap. WP's LaCanfora is just speculating on these facts.
When you have a younger, cheaper decent player playing behind an expensive vet that is coming off a sub par season, anything can happen.
All speculation!
I am not saying Jansen will get cut. Some day Jansen will be off the team. Nothing is long term in this sport.[/quote]

But restructuring deals do not involve any sweetening of the pot. The player still gets the exact amount of money his contract says he gets. Take Jansen for example. He's supposed to make $4.5 million or whatever in base salary this season. A restructure means they give him $4.0 million as a signing bonus right now, in a lumpsum payment, and pay him the other $500,000 in game checks starting in the fall. This is a lot better than waiting until the fall to collect the $4.5 million in game checks. But it's still the same amount of money.

Possible reasons things would go south with Jansen:
- He doesn't want to be a Redskin anymore, so he won't help the team out with a simple restructure.
- He's demanding a pay raise, and is threatening to hold out.
- The team thinks he's garbage and is asking him to take a paycut.

I don't see any reason to believe any of those scenarios are the case. They're certainly plausible, but until I hear something more substantial than La Canfora's speculation in his little blog, I'm going under the assumption that things are just fine with Jansen.

The Philly media built a mountain out of a molehill with Donovan McNabb's apparent unhappiness with the team. Same thing is happening here, though to a lesser extent. Media sensationalization at its best.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;274031]But restructuring deals do not involve any sweetening of the pot. The player still gets the exact amount of money his contract says he gets. Take Jansen for example. He's supposed to make $4.5 million or whatever in base salary this season. A restructure means they give him $4.0 million as a signing bonus right now, in a lumpsum payment, and pay him the other $500,000 in game checks starting in the fall. This is a lot better than waiting until the fall to collect the $4.5 million in game checks. But it's still the same amount of money.

Possible reasons things would go south with Jansen:
- He doesn't want to be a Redskin anymore, so he won't help the team out with a simple restructure.
- He's demanding a pay raise, and is threatening to hold out.
- The team thinks he's garbage and is asking him to take a paycut.

I don't see any reason to believe any of those scenarios are the case. They're certainly plausible, but until I hear something more substantial than La Canfora's speculation in his little blog, I'm going under the assumption that things are just fine with Jansen.

The Philly media built a mountain out of a molehill with Donovan McNabb's apparent unhappiness with the team. Same thing is happening here, though to a lesser extent. Media sensationalization at its best.[/QUOTE]

Correct if I wrong, but I thought in order to get a decent amount of cap relief in a restructuring deal you have to extend a contract by a couple of years. You will not get much relief if you keep the same amount of money over the same amount of time. You might get relief for the first year, but you will have even a worse problem the next year unless you extend the contract. If extending the length of the contract is needed, not every player will want that. That is where sweetening the deal or enticement comes into play.
Either way at some point the bonus money has to count against the cap. Pay me now or pay me later, the Skins will have to dedicate signing bonus money to the cap sooner or later.
I do not like this game of hide and seek with the cap. We were a below .500 team in 2006 and we are over the cap. Not very good player or money management skills.
Some are so in awe over Snyder and his cap skills. I frankly think it is not a very good example how to run a successful NFL team. The proof was on the field in 2006.

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[quote=Defensewins;274047]Correct if I wrong, but I thought in order to get a decent amount of cap relief in a restructuring deal you have to extend a contract by a couple of years. You will not get much relief if you keep the same amount of money over the same amount of time. You might get relief for the first year, but you will have even a worse problem the next year unless you extend the contract. If extending the length of the contract is needed, not every player will want that. That is where sweetening the deal or enticement comes into play.
Either way at some point the bonus money has to count against the cap. Pay me now or pay me later, the Skins will have to dedicate signing bonus money to the cap sooner or later.
I do not like this game of hide and seek with the cap. We were a below .500 team in 2006 and we are over the cap. Not very good player or money management skills.
Some are so in awe over Snyder and his cap skills. I frankly think it is not a very good example how to run a successful NFL team. The proof was on the field in 2006.[/quote]

You are wrong in a general sense, but right when it comes to Jansen, and I didn't think of this before, so I beg your pardon.

You don't always have to extend a contract to get cap relief. Let's continue with the example of converting $4 million from base salary into signing bonus. If the player has 4 years left on the deal, then that signing bonus allocates out to $1 million per season. So you took that $4 million and reduced it down to $1 million in the present year, saving $3 million in cap space. Yes, you'd have to absorb an extra million in each of the future years remaining on the contract.

But Jansen is only signed through 2008 (two more years), so taking that $4 million, we'd spread the hit over only 2 years. This would make his cap figure drop by $2 million this season, but increase by $2 million next season. At that point his 2008 cap figure would be high: $8.3 million. And the team likely doesn't want to do that. You're right, they're probably trying to think about extending him. And that could get hairy. And since they could save $2.6 million in cap space by cutting him this season, they are probably in position to let Jansen bring his price down (and if he doesn't, just cut him).

Thanks for keeping me on my Ps and Qs when it comes to Jansen. Now I can definitely see how the team may run into a problem with him. He might want a big bonus to extend, and the team might not like that idea. I can definitely see how it'd get sticky. (public apology and retraction of my previous criticism of LaCanfora goes here).

After thinking on the cap situation further, definitely seems like a real possibility Jansen will be gone. It all depends on their ability to agree on reasonable extension terms.

I still don't understand the issues with Springs though.

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restructuring is doing the team a favor, so generally, you get more money for helping them out (unless you're really in danger of being cut and losing real money due to your contract and your poor performance).

whether your willing to restructure or not doesn't necessarily have that much to do with wanting to be a redskin. If the FO was more careful in contract valuations and budgeting, they wouldn't need to beg the players to rework their deals every year.

and why wouldn't a player rather get more money up front? cause the backloaded portion makes him much more likely to get cut later, or be subjected to yearly restructures to continually extend the bacloaded year from coming due.

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He's not going anywhere, unless Joe2 decides to let him go.

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[quote=That Guy;274060]restructuring is doing the team a favor, so generally, [B]you get more money for helping them out[/B] (unless you're really in danger of being cut and losing real money due to your contract and your poor performance).[/quote]

This isn't true. At least not with the 'Skins. All of our restructures last year were simple restructures. The net impact to cash flow was 0. Each player accepted their base salaries up front in a lump sum payment. They didn't get any more $ than their contract called for.

You run into trouble when a player is nearing the end of his contract. If you want to clear salary cap for those players, you need to extend them.